The flipside to Ferguson!

[R.P. McMurphy]

Simply unreal how pathetic and irresponsible our media are and as usual makes you question their shady motives. Anyone else hear about the kid shot in Salt Lake City Utah on Aug 11? I rarely watch the news mainly due to the fact it's depressing as shit and like politics is influenced in bad ways and you never know what to believe half the time. However I did tune in for this fiasco at times and watched several different outlets.

Anyway on that date there was a shooting in Salt lake involving an unarmed 20 year old apparently by the name of Dillon Taylor . Why didn't this get a mention? If it did then it was a small footnote cause I never heard about it? Maybe it had to do with the fact a bunch of idiots did not go on a rampage destroying half their city with their excuse to steal shit card. Or maybe it had to do with this kid being white or possibly a caucasian/Latino mix and shot by a black officer! Reports indicate he was unarmed and the pig was wearing a body cam yet everything appears to be on hold from what I read.

Just makes you wonder I'm not trying to make this a big race issue but apparently some of the higher powers that report things seem to love stirring the pot.

[Bostongambler]

Reporters always throw gas on the fire.

[R.P. McMurphy]

R.P. is a thinker and rarely buys shit at face value. There is so much bias and questionable shit going on you just have to stop and think sometimes. Not many people know about the Irish slave trade either but it happened! Growing up all we hear about for the most part is the African slaves and Jews almost being wiped out in Germany. Truth is pretty much every race and religion has been enslaved or attempted to be exterminated by others and these two groups are nothing special. But our history books in school pick and choose their battles. Not many kids in our society know that hundreds of thousands Irish were sold as slaves to the British and brought to America at cheaper prices and in most cases treated worse their than African counterparts. You have to LOOK for this shit cause it's not taught.

[rkelly110]

If the media had any balls they would report that shooting along side of Ferguson. The media is just as bad
as Sharpton and Jackson with their race baiting. What society glorifies/ martyrs criminalism? I guess we do.

[innovation]

Yep, it's not popular. Yet, 2 years ago when two gay males decided to go inside temple square in Salt Lake City and kiss so they could get kicked out on TV. The media at it up.

our country is a wreck......we have no balls......everybody is afraid to stand for something

it's not popular to have integrity anymore.

[innovation]

here ya go,

forward this




28th Amendment, 35 States and Counting
It will take you less than a minute to read this. If you agree, please
pass it on.
It's an idea whose time has come to deal with this self serving situation:

Children of Congress members do not have to pay back their college student loans.
Staffers of Congress family members are also exempt from having to payback student loans.
Members of Congress can retire at full pay after only one term.
Members of Congress have exempted themselves from many of the laws
they have passed, under which ordinary citizens must live.
For example, they are exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment.
And as the latest example, they have exempted themselves from Healthcare Reform, in all of its aspects.
We must not tolerate an elite class of such people, elected as public
servants and then putting themselves above the law.
I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent, or whatever. The self-serving must stop.
Governors of 35 states have filed suit against the Federal Government
for imposing unlawful burdens upon their states.
It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.


If Each person that receives this will forward it on to 20 people, in three days most people
in The United States of America will have the message.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:
"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United
States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or
Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the
Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the
citizens of the United States ."








people are ignorant of who they are giving power to.

[R.P. McMurphy]

Well the main problem is our country no longer looks at things from a fair, reality based , and objective view point any longer (if most ever did that is). The majority are extremists it seems to one side or the other whether it be liberal or conservative. And while both these sides are equally dangerous the extremist liberals control the media these days. While sadly those of us with the most intelligence and objective views are quickly becoming a minority! Who wants a thinker right they just make unwanted waves?

Another case in point did anyone catch first take last week when Chris Cooley was on defending the Skins name? Yeah I know before the jokes flood in the show is garbage and rarely do I watch it but a couple times a week for an hour or so I put the train wreck on while getting ready for work. Anyhow Cooley destroyed these two clowns on the topic if the name was offensive. First and foremost by saying he along with a couple former players Gary Clark and Mark Mosely had done their due diligence by spending numerous hours going across the country speaking with 1000's of native Americans from numerous tribes to get their take on if they were offended by the name. According to Cooley the vast majority by an overwhelming margin said no it was not offensive and most even liked it!

Now here comes Muppet head Smith and Dipshit Bayless with their cliche rhetoric both arguing otherwise. Bayless even admits that he has spent zero time and zero effort looking into the subject much "outside of these walls" but went with the popular media standpoint (as did Smith) that if one person is offended that's too many.

Cooley in turn gave several analogies in return stating LOGIC that you can never satisfy everyone it's impossible even Santa clause does not get a 100% approval rate and offends some. Went right over both their heads tho as expected and they stuck to the uber lib side and would not bend a bit to a guy that actually spent time and had one on one with the subject at hand unlike these two clowns.

We live in a day in age where it's not about the REAL story always or about what's right. Instead just some rogue self righteous group looking for a podium to speak on while pounding their chests with their self serving agendas and diarrhea of the mouth!

[R.P. McMurphy]

Needless to say Mr Cooley will not likely be invited to Bristol much anymore. Good stuff Innovation sad but true!

[GUMMO77]

Well Cooley is employed by Washington, right?

I didn't see him on First Take, but I did hear him on the SVP and Rusillo show and his research doesn't seem all the believable. On SVP, Cooley went on to say that he talked to thousands of Native Americans, both on his own time (casinos in Wyoming and Montana) and on official duty from Washington (cherry picking?), and not one had an issue with the the Redskin name. Now, I do think for the large part most Native Americans really don't care about the name; it's probably low and their radar of fuk'd up issues in their lives, but zero people had an issue? When is the last time you got thousands of people together and they all agreed, 100%, on something?

[stevenash]

More government officials attended the services for Brown than Margaret Thatcher.
Sad, pathetic.

[itchypickle]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/marine-beaten-warned-wasn-safe-wake-michael-brown-killing-article-1.1917685

Where is Holder and the White House on this one? Direct correlation to the brown shooting, a racists hate crime....will it get the same attention as if the victim was a young black man?

[stevenash]

There is no doubt in my mind there is a war on whites.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

There is no doubt in my mind there is a war on whites.

Are you being serious?

[stevenash]

Are you being serious?

Dude, Governor Nixon of Missouri said we will vigorously prosecute.
The Governor doesn't even know what 'due process' means.

Nixon is already prosecuting Wilson before he has any evidence.

[GUMMO77]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1917685

Where is Holder and the White House on this one? Direct correlation to the brown shooting, a racists hate crime....will it get the same attention as if the victim was a young black man?

I'm sure you're not comparing criminals to a police officer, right?

[itchypickle]

Are you being serious?

Gotta admit, these racially motivated attacks are happening more and more lately with impunity

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/08/25/family-thinks-otterbein-assault-may-have-been-hate-crime/

[itchypickle]

I'm sure you're not comparing criminals to a police officer, right?

I'm saying this is a clear violation of civil rights, and if Holder's dept is fair...he should treat this as such. I'm sure you're not comparing a Marine who just wanted a meal to a robbery suspect either right? The police officer was doing his job....these attackers were not. Clearly one is racially motivated and the other is not even close.

[GUMMO77]

The police officer was doing his job

That hasn't been determined yet.

[itchypickle]

Dude, Governor Nixon of Missouri said we will vigorously prosecute.
The Governor doesn't even know what 'due process' means.

Nixon is already prosecuting Wilson before he has any evidence.

Funny how Mike Brown 'allegedly robbed the store' and they aren't certain enough to say even though the video shows it and Dorian admits they did it....yet Wilson is 'guilty of murder' before any facts are in.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Dude, Governor Nixon of Missouri said we will vigorously prosecute.
The Governor doesn't even know what 'due process' means.

Nixon is already prosecuting Wilson before he has any evidence.

Not disputing that Wilson is not getting a fair shake. But he really should lose his job at the very least.

I think many would disagree as to which side Nixon is on. Prosecutuing attorney that he has selected has very close ties to police.

[GUMMO77]

I'm saying this is a clear violation of civil rights, and if Holder's dept is fair...he should treat this as such. I'm sure you're not comparing a Marine who just wanted a meal to a robbery suspect either right? The police officer was doing his job....these attackers were not. Clearly one is racially motivated and the other is not even close.

You're talking about the attackers, right? At least in your first post you were.

So yes, there is a big difference when a bunch of criminals break the law compared to when a cop does.

[itchypickle]

That hasn't been determined yet.

All accounts are, even from Dorian Johnson who was involved, are that they were contacted initially by Wilson for walking in the road and failed to comply with his warning.....that is by the book doing his job. Anything from that point on is within confines of the legal contact so yes, he was doing his job.

[stevenash]

God forbid if a white man should disagree with one of Obama's policies.
If a white man disagrees with one of Obama's policies he's a racist, or worse, he's a terrorist.
If a white man disagrees with climate change he's a cracker.

Funny, I never cracked no whip, my daddy never cracked no whip, my grandfather never cracked no whip, but I'm a cracker.

Ask a black man where did the word slave come from, he looks at you like you have three heads.
The word slave comes from 'slavic', which I am, I am slavic, and the European Slavs were treated 100x worse than the African American slaves back in the day.

[GUMMO77]

All accounts are, even from Dorian Johnson who was involved, are that they were contacted initially by Wilson for walking in the road and failed to comply with his warning.....that is by the book doing his job. Anything from that point on is within confines of the legal contact so yes, he was doing his job.

Not true. You simply can't shoot someone who doesn't comply do your orders when you're a cop.

[itchypickle]

You're talking about the attackers, right? At least in your first post you were.

So yes, there is a big difference when a bunch of criminals break the law compared to when a cop does.

If the cop just rolled up and got out and started shooting...yes he broke the law

If Brown struggled with him and in fact punched him in the face as the reports are.....no law was broken on the cops side...simply touching with a finger of an officers weapon is an auto felony much less the striking of a law enforcement officer so if he shot him after being cracked in the eye by a 6'4 290 pound suspect who was not surrendering....case closed.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

All accounts are, even from Dorian Johnson who was involved, are that they were contacted initially by Wilson for walking in the road and failed to comply with his warning.....that is by the book doing his job. Anything from that point on is within confines of the legal contact so yes, he was doing his job.

I think it has become clear that he was doing his job. He just wasn't very good at it.

[stevenash]

Not disputing that Wilson is not getting a fair shake. But he really should lose his job at the very least.

I think many would disagree as to which side Nixon is on. Prosecutuing attorney that he has selected has very close ties to police.

By many accounts, he lunged for his gun.
Lunge for a cops gun, usually it doesn't end pretty.

[itchypickle]

Not true. You simply can't shoot someone who doesn't comply do your orders when you're a cop.

He didn't shoot him for not getting out of the street......he shot him for the fight that ensued. So all of that is in effecting the arrest in a legal stop so officer is in no way breaking the law. If a cop stops someone for running a red light....and then when he walks up to the car is attacked and struggle for the weapon and then shoots the driver...the driver didn't get shot for running the redlight...

[itchypickle]

I think it has become clear that he was doing his job. He just wasn't very good at it.

That much is true. Dude looks like BobbyFk in the pictures....I could see one of the bigger prior military police officers handling it differently but this specific cop was in over his head.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

That much is true. Dude looks like BobbyFk in the pictures....I could see one of the bigger prior military police officers handling it differently but this specific cop was in over his head.

Agreed. I think the root of many altercations such as this is policing culture and the people who become a police officers in the United States.

Policing should be, in theory, a highly respected profession. It has become a second chance at a career for drop-outs, dead-beats, the uneducated, addicts and assholes. Not all. But Many.

[GUMMO77]

He didn't shoot him for not getting out of the street......he shot him for the fight that ensued. So all of that is in effecting the arrest in a legal stop so officer is in no way breaking the law. If a cop stops someone for running a red light....and then when he walks up to the car is attacked and struggle for the weapon and then shoots the driver...the driver didn't get shot for running the redlight...

We don't if any of that is a fact or not.

All we know for sure is one person is dead, he didn't have a weapon, and he wasn't near the police car where the alleged attack occurred.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

All we know for sure is one person is dead, he didn't have a weapon, and he wasn't near the police car where the alleged attack occurred.

Damning evidence in my opinion. I wonder if anyone would still be talking about this if they had Dashcams in Ferguson.

[GUMMO77]

Damning evidence in my opinion. I wonder if anyone would still be talking about this if they had Dashcams in Ferguson.

[stevenash]

We don't if any of that is a fact or not.

All we know for sure is one person is dead, he didn't have a weapon, and he wasn't near the police car where the alleged attack occurred.

How do you know this? You weren't there, I wasn't there, the media wasn't there, yet let's rush to judgement, black man gets shot by white cop, white cop must be guilty, because he's white.

[GUMMO77]

How do you know this? You weren't there, I wasn't there, the media wasn't there, yet let's rush to judgement, black man gets shot by white cop, white cop must be guilty, because he's white.

What part am I wrong about?

Guy: Dead

Weapon: No

Near cop car: No