SBR Poker Championship 2012 leaderboard update

**BigDaddy** · 06-24-12, 10:10 AM

i keep falling further behind each week

not good

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 06-24-12, 11:01 AM

**slikec** · 06-24-12, 03:24 PM

Wau thumbs up for fast update

I am still leading the pack

Makes me sad i didnt find about poker promos sooner.

**Carseller4** · 06-24-12, 03:35 PM

I passed Optional!!!

**peacebyinches** · 06-24-12, 06:40 PM

thought I would be higher up after a good week

ty for the quick update also

**bobbywaves** · 06-24-12, 09:24 PM

Silkec is playing some tremendous poker to maintain 1,000 pt lead over 2nd place. It's unfortunate he won't be rewarded for it with a higher starting chip stack at the 15k tourny. He could stop playing now & probably still make the top 50. If the starting chip stacks at the 15k tourny were % based on your finishing points, then the top players would have more incentive during the final weeks. Making the tourny more competetive & interesting. It's still a great touny in current format..... just a suggestion how to make it better in the future, if this will be an annual tourny.

**d2bets** · 06-25-12, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

Silkec is playing some tremendous poker to maintain 1,000 pt lead over 2nd place. It's unfortunate he won't be rewarded for it with a higher starting chip stack at the 15k tourny. He could stop playing now & probably still make the top 50. If the starting chip stacks at the 15k tourny were % based on your finishing points, then the top players would have more incentive during the final weeks. Making the tourny more competetive & interesting. It's still a great touny in current format..... just a suggestion how to make it better in the future, if this will be an annual tourny.

Interesting idea. Maybe not a percentage, but maybe slightly higher stacks depending on finishing order. Not too out of whack or it won't be competitive. Maybe stacks ranging from 3,000 to 1,500 depending on finishing order.

**milwaukee mike** · 06-25-12, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Interesting idea. Maybe not a percentage, but maybe slightly higher stacks depending on finishing order. Not too out of whack or it won't be competitive. Maybe stacks ranging from 3,000 to 1,500 depending on finishing order.

terrible idea

rewarding people that have already received more points even further

giving a double stack 1st vs 50th is a ridiculously huge edge

**milwaukee mike** · 06-25-12, 02:06 PM

the structure of the payout in the championship tourney is what would need fixing

8th place $500
9th place $400
10th place 1000 points
11th place 950 points

so you go up from $48 to $50 to $400 to $500

i would rather be out of the money than finish 10th

**k13** · 06-25-12, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

the structure of the payout in the championship tourney is what would need fixing

8th place $500
9th place $400
10th place 1000 points
11th place 950 points

so you go up from $48 to $50 to $400 to $500

i would rather be out of the money than finish 10th

That's actually how most tourneys are, 1st place $10k and 11th place $10.....

**d2bets** · 06-25-12, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

terrible idea

rewarding people that have already received more points even further

giving a double stack 1st vs 50th is a ridiculously huge edge

It is. But shouldn't there be some benefit to finish 1st in points vs. 50th?

**bobbywaves** · 06-25-12, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

terrible idea

rewarding people that have already received more points even further

giving a double stack 1st vs 50th is a ridiculously huge edge

An edge that would be well deserved. Otherwise there's no incentive to play the last few weeks or even months for some top players like slikec. Would it still be a terrible idea if you were in 1st place? Think not.

**k13** · 06-25-12, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

terrible idea

rewarding people that have already received more points even further

giving a double stack 1st vs 50th is a ridiculously huge edge

You can have 10000 chips Mike and I'll have a 1000, the edge won't be as huge as you think......

**SBR_John** · 06-25-12, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

Silkec is playing some tremendous poker to maintain 1,000 pt lead over 2nd place. It's unfortunate he won't be rewarded for it with a higher starting chip stack at the 15k tourny. He could stop playing now & probably still make the top 50. If the starting chip stacks at the 15k tourny were % based on your finishing points, then the top players would have more incentive during the final weeks. Making the tourny more competetive & interesting. It's still a great touny in current format..... just a suggestion how to make it better in the future, if this will be an annual tourny.

Great idea but we do not have the technical ability to pull that off.

**milwaukee mike** · 06-25-12, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

An edge that would be well deserved. Otherwise there's no incentive to play the last few weeks or even months for some top players like slikec. Would it still be a terrible idea if you were in 1st place? Think not.

you answered your own question for me so why even ask it?

yes there's incentive, that was my point. the incentive is that you are winning points all along, as the daily tournaments are hugely +ev.
11 points for a max 50 people should pay out 550 points at most, and they pay out 2500 points

if i was guaranteed top 50 i would still play every day

i will write this in all caps and explain a little further this time IT IS A TERRIBLE IDEA TO CHANGE THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF A TOURNAMENT

**milwaukee mike** · 06-25-12, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

It is. But shouldn't there be some benefit to finish 1st in points vs. 50th?

perhaps there should be some benefit, but it should be decided before the start. remember all the backlash last time when they made up rules mid-stream and said tournament points already earned counted? that was ridiculous, people would've made sure to play more often if that was the case.
same here, some guys in the top 50/top 100 that feel safe might not be playing every day and to change the rules now would be really unfair

**bobbywaves** · 06-25-12, 03:18 PM

Question was asked to prove my point. Playing for pts is obviously not the same incentive as playing for a higher starting chip stack, this will be evident when you see less players the final few weeks. Even if you finish in the top 20 for pts which is no guarantee on a daily basis, you still need to roll them over which is no guarantee as well. Some top players will value their time more than pts in the final weeks, if they do play it would be to keep their game sharp & not for the possibility of pts to be rolled over. Obviously the rules can't be changed in the middle of a tournament, the suggestion was for next year. Since they don't have the technical ability to do it, it's a mute point now. Far from a terrible idea though.

**SBR Lou** · 06-25-12, 03:19 PM

Have you ever seen Poker Stars start with diff stacks based on player points or cashes in a calendar year? Or ever?

**big joe 1212** · 06-25-12, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

Silkec is playing some tremendous poker to maintain 1,000 pt lead over 2nd place. It's unfortunate he won't be rewarded for it with a higher starting chip stack at the 15k tourny. He could stop playing now & probably still make the top 50. If the starting chip stacks at the 15k tourny were % based on your finishing points, then the top players would have more incentive during the final weeks. Making the tourny more competetive & interesting. It's still a great touny in current format..... just a suggestion how to make it better in the future, if this will be an annual tourny.

Or another way of putting it is that all the losers who play every day because they have no life should get bigger stacks in the tourney

Some better players can't keep pace playing in just 50% of the daily tournies

**k13** · 06-25-12, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Have you ever seen Poker Stars start with diff stacks based on player points or cashes in a calendar year? Or ever?

Rarely but they had a bounty shootout or that type of tournament where stacks/KO's carried over.

Maybe some bonus poker points to the Top 10 finishers next time, just throwing out some ideas.

**milwaukee mike** · 06-25-12, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

Question was asked to prove my point. Playing for pts is obviously not the same incentive as playing for a higher starting chip stack, this will be evident when you see less players the final few weeks. Even if you finish in the top 20 for pts which is no guarantee on a daily basis, you still need to roll them over which is no guarantee as well. Some top players will value their time more than pts in the final weeks, if they do play it would be to keep their game sharp & not for the possibility of pts to be rolled over. Obviously the rules can't be changed in the middle of a tournament, the suggestion was for next year. Since they don't have the technical ability to do it, it's a mute point now. Far from a terrible idea though.

that didn't stop sbr the last time

sorry originally when i said "terrible idea" i didn't know you guys were both talking about NEXT year

but i still wouldn't agree with it, if you give double the stack for 1 vs 50, then do the extra seats that win the 51-100, 101-150, etc all start with only 1500 also?
gives more incentive to the guys at the top to keep playing, but gives less incentive for the guys under 50 to keep playing

i still think the payout structure is the thing that we should be focused on, to have a dropoff from $500 8th to $400 9th and then all the way down to $50 for 10th is really silly

and bobby just for future reference the term is "moot point" not "mute point"

**a4u2fear** · 06-25-12, 03:48 PM

damn, played in one tourney last week and didn't cash, and dropped about 20 places.

**wtt0315** · 06-25-12, 03:48 PM

just give carseller extra chips. That will be good for the rest of us.

**Carseller4** · 06-25-12, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

that didn't stop sbr the last time

sorry originally when i said "terrible idea" i didn't know you guys were both talking about NEXT year

but i still wouldn't agree with it, if you give double the stack for 1 vs 50, then do the extra seats that win the 51-100, 101-150, etc all start with only 1500 also?
gives more incentive to the guys at the top to keep playing, but gives less incentive for the guys under 50 to keep playing

i still think the payout structure is the thing that we should be focused on, to have a dropoff from $500 8th to $400 9th and then all the way down to $50 for 10th is really silly

and bobby just for future reference the term is "moot point" not "mute point"

I made a mute point once but nobody heard it.

**Jeffie** · 06-25-12, 04:40 PM

Maybe reward first place a freeplay in the sportsbook, but def not a bigger starting stack in the 15k.

**GUMMO77** · 06-25-12, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

An edge that would be well deserved. Otherwise there's no incentive to play the last few weeks or even months for some top players like slikec. Would it still be a terrible idea if you were in 1st place? Think not.

Please, some of you "top players" take the last month off to rest and prepare for the championship.

**wquine** · 06-25-12, 05:35 PM

maybe a better idea is to get 5 tokens every week instead of the once a day rule so that you could fit in around work schedules. i don't see how anyone could have an objection to that. obv, this is soemthing for the next tourney, but if you like the idea then nominate the post.

**4uk4life** · 06-25-12, 05:38 PM

Not me, I'm playing til the last day lol. I have a baby on the way and have the approval to finish this out, I'll have plenty of time to take off after the big one with a baby waking me up every 2 hours

**BiTeMe UsAdOj** · 06-25-12, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by wquine

maybe a better idea is to get 5 tokens every week instead of the once a day rule so that you could fit in around work schedules. i don't see how anyone could have an objection to that. obv, this is soemthing for the next tourney, but if you like the idea then nominate the post.

This is a decent idea and I nominated the post for consideration of it, but I believe SBR's BrainTrust would ultimately see it as a potential logistics problem, i.e., tournies chock-full on one day... and like 15 people in a tourney some other days.

The one-a-day format kinda ensures an even distribution of players throughout the week and for that reason (predominately) I don't see the 5 tokens idea coming to fruition. (tho I personally would not be opposed)

**BeerDog99** · 06-25-12, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by BiTeMe UsAdOj

This is a decent idea and I nominated the post for consideration of it, but I believe SBR's BrainTrust would ultimately see it as a potential logistics problem, i.e., tournies chock-full on one day... and like 15 people in a tourney some other days.

The one-a-day format kinda ensures an even distribution of players throughout the week and for that reason (predominately) I don't see the 5 tokens idea coming to fruition. (tho I personally would not be opposed)

Stop making so much sense.

**wquine** · 06-25-12, 06:57 PM

hat makes sense biteme, maybe give it a trial on a smaller scale promo (like a month) and see what happens... should i start a new thread?

**MoneyLineDawg** · 06-25-12, 08:33 PM

Maybe a combination of the 2......5 tournies a week, but max 2 a day?

Also wish there was one around 1-2 am EST......Sometimes the only good time for us night owls and a very nice time for the west coasters as well

**HauntingTheHoly** · 06-25-12, 10:28 PM

I think players finishing near the top should get some kind of a bonus for sure. And this isn't necessarily self-serving b/c I've missed many and know that I will have to miss many more, (aka I prolly won't finish top 10)

**jeffdane** · 06-25-12, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

that didn't stop sbr the last time

sorry originally when i said "terrible idea" i didn't know you guys were both talking about NEXT year

but i still wouldn't agree with it, if you give double the stack for 1 vs 50, then do the extra seats that win the 51-100, 101-150, etc all start with only 1500 also?
gives more incentive to the guys at the top to keep playing, but gives less incentive for the guys under 50 to keep playing

i still think the payout structure is the thing that we should be focused on, to have a dropoff from $500 8th to $400 9th and then all the way down to $50 for 10th is really silly

and bobby just for future reference the term is "moot point" not "mute point"

10th place doesnt usually pay anything on a real tourney of this size. lucky if it goes beyond 3rd

#	User	Total Points	Cashes
1	slikec	7375	35
2	ArunSh	6335	41
3	JediMindPicks	5710	45
4	sweethook	5425	39
5	the_locksmith	5340	28
6	beachnut	5215	29
7	HauntingTheHoly	5150	26
8	aggieshawn	5145	36
9	BeerDog99	5130	34
10	JohnGalt2341	5100	37
11	dogracin	5085	39
12	4uk4life	5020	34
13	rm18	4945	38
14	msutter	4925	30
15	Carseller4	4900	29
16	Optional	4785	33
17	kaladarus	4760	37
18	shane	4745	32
19	BestPlay2day	4740	40
20	oiler	4650	38
21	k13	4640	38
22	cuse0323	4610	29
23	d2bets	4600	35
24	JAKEPEAVY21	4560	35
25	downsouth	4505	37
26	Stefan	4465	41
27	bobbywaves	4440	38
28	tkim8404	4405	30
29	GaryDN	4335	37
30	cmval	4315	27
31	dumbmoney	4315	28
32	BiTeMeUsAdOj	4290	33
33	jack_matz	4265	33
34	wal66	4265	36
35	GUMMO77	4245	38
36	bracerman	4225	32
37	eleuropeano	4200	27
38	almasters	4195	28
39	big_joe_1212	4180	20