i hate poket pairs

daneblazer · 09-10-09, 09:25 AM

need more info.

andrew5 · 09-10-09, 11:50 AM

well the guy before me raised 550 blinds were at 200 i had like 4k in chips there was 8 people left till the money so i folded then 2 guys call classic bodog give pockets one of them a 10 to the other then the flop he bet more they went all in and i missed a 9k pot i dont put to much faith in pocket 9s only 2 outs and alot more over cards plus i was close to the money oh well at least i placed

daneblazer · 09-10-09, 12:23 PM

If I'm understanding the hand correctly, I hate calling there. You are facing a raise in early position with a few players to go behind you and are holding a mediocre hand. Depending on the chip stack of the initial raiser and the players behind you, if you must play, shove.

andrew5 · 09-10-09, 12:28 PM

yep dude had a bigger stack then me he took both them out if i would of called or push i woulda took them all down tuff decision

BettingMG · 09-12-09, 05:09 AM

I know that feeling, but when you do call, and you hit your set, boy... does it feel great! Did you find out what he had at the end of the hand?

GiveMeaBJ · 09-12-09, 05:16 AM

I'm not folding 9's to one raise ever. Your ahead way to often. His range is bigger then you think. It's also a hand that won't get you into trouble. You set, you win. You miss, you fold. Raised not even 3 times the BB you can afford it.

andrew5 · 09-12-09, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by BettingMG

I know that feeling, but when you do call, and you hit your set, boy... does it feel great! Did you find out what he had at the end of the hand?

he had kk

andrew5 · 09-12-09, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by GiveMeaBJ

I'm not folding 9's to one raise ever. Your ahead way to often. His range is bigger then you think. It's also a hand that won't get you into trouble. You set, you win. You miss, you fold. Raised not even 3 times the BB you can afford it.

well i was close to the money and that call would of brought my chipstack down and didn't want to get blinded out i hate pockets becuse only 2 outs if he didnt raise preflop i would of called and played my set and won a lot more money

VegasDave · 09-12-09, 12:21 PM

Folding 72 to a raise and a re-raise is still the right move even if the flop comes 7 7 2.

You wanted to finish in the money and decided to play super-conservative. That's fine. You have to accept that decision and sometimes see things like this.

daneblazer · 09-12-09, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by GiveMeaBJ

I'm not folding 9's to one raise ever. Your ahead way to often. His range is bigger then you think. It's also a hand that won't get you into trouble. You set, you win. You miss, you fold. Raised not even 3 times the BB you can afford it.

You are going to miss more times that you hit. There's plenty of flops that could come where you could hit that could prove to be trouble too. Like I said, it's tough to say with the given information, but in situations like that calling is just asking to be squeezed. There will be times you call and don't even see the flop. Even when you do hit, you'll have to hope that you can win about a 4200 chip pot just to even out for the times you miss. If I'm in the blinds or even on the button, I'd be a little more apt to call...but cold calling a raise from early position with 3-4 more players to act with a mid pair is asking for trouble. To each their own though

If you trust your post flop skills, have a good read, and don't think you'll be squeezed, call. I'd err on the side of caution though.

xtwoxlivesx · 09-12-09, 04:53 PM

i hate poker

The General · 09-12-09, 05:00 PM

Win some lose some the same ways.

andrew5 · 09-12-09, 08:27 PM

well i placed won some money at least my buy in so i didnt make out to bad but if i whoulda called i woulda made more its just i hate pockets becuse there are two outs and i have won before with 4 of a kind which is nice but risking your tourney life on a med pair is a hard decision

andrew5 · 09-12-09, 11:01 PM

see i just had 22 and dude raise 975 i folded and a set of aces came out i hate pockets dam if you do dam if you dont opps some dude just went all in with 88s dude had kk pockets

Whiskeyjack · 09-16-09, 01:59 PM

I held 99 and a raise I called the others folded when the flop came AKJ I checked and the raise went all in. I made a gut call and the jerk held only a 7 4D with no d on the flop he was toast.

Cappy · 09-19-09, 07:50 PM

I would have thrown it away. You can't do much with those pocket pairs. A lot of times it's a bad fold, sometimes it's a good fold, like it is in this case. Either way, further into the hand you're going to get outplayed on the flop or lose in a showdown too much to play in that position. I've found that generally you get enough chances with pocket pairs, to not be forced to make bug plays (i.e. big mistakes) pre-flop

TheLock · 09-19-09, 11:41 PM

I do not hate pocket pairs.

lolbear · 09-23-09, 01:07 PM

The correct play here is to call preflop especially since you have position. 99 plays well with position as long as you have decent stack. Blinds I assume you mean are 100/200 and you have 4k. Calling will still leave you with more than 15 big blinds. Flopping a set here has a lot more upsides than folding.

cjhkaplan · 10-20-09, 03:56 PM

I hate pocket pairs as well. I feel this overwhelming need to call, even when I know I shouldn't. It's sometimes really hard to tell. I usually go on an opponent basis if I can. It is really important to keep track of how your opponent plays. If he has any tells, even online, like hesitating on calls or bets, raising for the bluff, etc. It's a tough call, but in that situation, being so close to the money like that, I would have played it tight and folded. Worse things could happen than missing the pot, like your getting so invested in it to the river and misjudging your opponent and losing bigger.
Tough call but I think you made the right choice, but that won't always be the right choice. It depends on so many variables that it's tough to call. Just be sure to be aware of your opponent's style, and keep track of how he plays, that should be a big help when it comes to those nasty little PP'S.

tcaldwell · 10-21-09, 01:44 PM

shouldve played 320 to call? ha

tcaldwell · 10-21-09, 01:44 PM

that wouldve been easy

greywind50 · 10-26-09, 12:21 PM

I hate medium pairs too many possible overcards on flop and to get opps to
fold preflop you have to bet bigger to reduce field. Betting mid-level pairs
preflop is semi-bluffing with two outs and hoping for fold equity and a favorable flop but that's poker. It depends...

shantystar · 10-26-09, 01:48 PM

good one for others to know aboutthis type of matter

andrew5 · 10-27-09, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by cjhkaplan

I hate pocket pairs as well. I feel this overwhelming need to call, even when I know I shouldn't. It's sometimes really hard to tell. I usually go on an opponent basis if I can. It is really important to keep track of how your opponent plays. If he has any tells, even online, like hesitating on calls or bets, raising for the bluff, etc. It's a tough call, but in that situation, being so close to the money like that, I would have played it tight and folded. Worse things could happen than missing the pot, like your getting so invested in it to the river and misjudging your opponent and losing bigger.
Tough call but I think you made the right choice, but that won't always be the right choice. It depends on so many variables that it's tough to call. Just be sure to be aware of your opponent's style, and keep track of how he plays, that should be a big help when it comes to those nasty little PP'S.

yeah i hate calling preflop especially when they raise

Hybris · 10-27-09, 11:46 AM

What? you folded 99 and hate it when the other guy showed KK. I would love that fold.

andrew5 · 10-27-09, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Hybris

What? you folded 99 and hate it when the other guy showed KK. I would love that fold.

a 9 came on the flop and i woulda had a set and the 2 guys went all in i had them both beat

Hybris · 10-27-09, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by andrew5

a 9 came on the flop and i woulda had a set and the 2 guys went all in i had them both beat

So? 99 vs KK prefolp is so -EV

korbal29 · 10-28-09, 01:28 PM

I love small pocket pairs coming in without a raise and multiway pot THE BEST!

PinTheDonkey · 10-28-09, 04:07 PM

Pocket pairs in early position is only good to limp in with and try to set mine. Later in position you can get a little more creative but if someone raises 8/10 times I will fold pocket 9s unless I have a read on that player.

PinTheDonkey · 10-28-09, 04:10 PM

The specific hand you are talking about sucks in hind sight because hind sight is always 100% but how many times do you call with 99 and the flop comes A K J and you are just like SH*T.

montipoli · 10-29-09, 02:44 PM

from his initial raise, idve put him on a high pair, i wouldve been all in on that flop, just content to take it down before something bad happened, especiall that close to the money. if i flop a set, im going broke.