Question for SBR Admins. - Regarding flipping....

[BeerDog99]

I know we have had lots of discussions over the years about flipping.

My understanding is that flipping is totally cool because it is all luck and SBR get's the appropriate rake.

If people flip to complete a rollover and then "even" up after, that is not cool, correct?

[Auto Donk]

[BeerDog99]

No answer?

[mpaschal34]

My answer....flipping should be banned!!!

[BeerDog99]

As I have said in past, given flipping happens in real live poker, I have no real issues with it. What I do not think is OK, is the true up afterwards, that does not happen in real life.

That said, given the rollover requirements from SBR are for two reasons, 1) to create more traffic in the poker room and 2) to generate rake for SBR, I really don't care if SBR bans it.

I just wanted clarity from SBR on my question.

[bobbywaves]

As you stated, SBR receives their appropriate rake. So what's the problem if flippers agree to even up & how exactly does a flipping agreement effect you?

Why would flipping be banned & why should it be banned, when we already established SBR receives their appropriate rake?

[RudyRuetigger]

correct, if you "even up" after, its an auto ban

[BeerDog99]

correct, if you "even up" after, its an auto ban

That is what I am trying to confirm...

[bobbywaves]

correct, if you "even up" after, its an auto ban

It is? Then please explain why haven't I been banned?

Under what authority are you speaking on SBR's behalf Rudy?

Even if SBR were to side with you & BD, there couldn't be any retroactive bans when there wasn't any rule in place.

SBR's silence on this non issue, speaks volumes about the OP's nonsense.

[RudyRuetigger]

there was a rule in place

[BeerDog99]

me thinks somebody protests too much!

[bobbywaves]

there was a rule in place

Then post a link to the rule.

[bobbywaves]

me thinks somebody protests too much!

I concur & suggest you stop "protesting so much," about an issue that doesn't even concern a non flipper like yourself.

[BeerDog99]

LOL, you are funny and sad at the same time. I am not the one protesting.

[downsouth]

"Even up" at the end is not flipping. Its completing rollover with the absolute minimum rake with zero chance of those points going back into play.

If this is the case why pay rollover points at all. Just strip each prize 10% and pay regular points.

[playersonly69]

I hate to agree with bobby but bobby is right here. It is perfectly ok to settle up after the roll over.

[bobbywaves]

If this is the case why pay rollover points at all. Just strip each prize 10% and pay regular points.

I totally agree, gr8 suggestion DS.

[bobbywaves]

I hate to agree with bobby but bobby is right here. It is perfectly ok to settle up after the roll over.

[bobbywaves]

I am not the one protesting.

Really? Who created this thread, you or me?

[mpaschal34]

Waves admitting to committing SBR crimes. A ban should happen....but I'm guessing he'll only be suspended through the this promotion.

[BeerDog99]

Really? Who created this thread, you or me?

I know this will be lost on you but me creating a thread to ask the question is in no way anything to do with protesting. But go ahead and just reaffirm your opinion and new definitions.

[bobbywaves]

Waves admitting to committing SBR crimes. A ban should happen....but I'm guessing he'll only be suspended through the this promotion.

What crime did Waves commit? Show me the rule.

[BeerDog99]

I hate to agree with bobby but bobby is right here. It is perfectly ok to settle up after the roll over.

Coming from a guy that supposedly has a lot of online and live poker experience, tell me what you think any online poker site would do if people flipped to chew through the rollover of a bonus and then they even-up afterward?

[bobbywaves]

I know this will be lost on you but me creating a thread to ask the question is in no way anything to do with protesting. But go ahead and just reaffirm your opinion and new definitions.

Sure it's a protest on your part. You created a thread that has nothing to do with you, as you don't flip.

[bobbywaves]

Coming from a guy that supposedly has a lot of online and live poker experience, tell me what you think any online poker site would do if people flipped to chew through the rollover of a bonus and then they even-up afterward?

I can't speak for POS, but PokerStars said nothing to me when I cleared a deposit bonus & settled up with my buddy that same night at Sugar & Spice gogo bar.

Hint: PokerStars doesn't place rollovers when you cash in their tourney's.

[tradeout]

I know we have had lots of discussions over the years about flipping.

My understanding is that flipping is totally cool because it is all luck and SBR get's the appropriate rake.

If people flip to complete a rollover and then "even" up after, that is not cool, correct?

why is this bothering you?

and how do you know it is 'even up' and not a gift?

[RudyRuetigger]

im not going to find the thread, but I know it has been said on here before.

probably 2 yrs ago

[USCPHILLYGUY]

I can't speak for POS, but PokerStars said nothing to me when I cleared a deposit bonus & settled up with my buddy that same night at Sugar & Spice gogo bar.

Hint: PokerStars doesn't place rollovers when you cash in their tourney's.

BW you hanging out in Morrisville now?

How is the place? Buddy of mine lives close by

[JAKEPEAVY21]

It is? Then please explain why haven't I been banned?

Under what authority are you speaking on SBR's behalf Rudy?

Even if SBR were to side with you & BD, there couldn't be any retroactive bans when there wasn't any rule in place.

SBR's silence on this non issue, speaks volumes about the OP's nonsense.

SBR rarely if ever comments about poker related questions or comments.

I wouldn't read too much into their silence, Bob.

[Optional]

It's angle shooting and against the spirit of the promotion. But it's probably hard to justify spending more money on poker with policing such a nickle n dime thing.

To me it sucks because the points dont get played in ring table games, for the benefit of poker here long term. But I guess that happens with flipping whether there is an under the table agreement to settle up or not.

[bobbywaves]

why is this bothering you?

and how do you know it is 'even up' and not a gift?

Exactly, it shouldn't bother him considering he doesn't flip. Those Canadian grapes must be sour.

He doesn't know if it's a gift, he's making assumptions.

[bobbywaves]

im not going to find the thread, but I know it has been said on here before.

probably 2 yrs ago

Find & post link to violation thread, or it didn't happen.

[bobbywaves]

BW you hanging out in Morrisville now?

How is the place? Buddy of mine lives close by

Occasionally shoot pool there with a buddy & get a lap dance or two. Five minutes from my house, right over the bridge from Trenton.

[bobbywaves]

SBR rarely if ever comments about poker related questions or comments.

I wouldn't read too much into their silence, Bob.

You have a valid point there Jake.

[mpaschal34]

SBR Doug stops by every year or so...he's due for an appearance soon, maybe he can make a ruling.