Who deserves "nh" here?

[RudyRuetigger]

50/100 blinds, full ring

Utg (25 bbs to start) min raises to 200
mp1 calls (20bbs) 200
mp3, (right of co) calls (12 bbs) 200
co raises all in 22 bbs

utg calls
mp1 folds
mp3 calls

who played this hand well?

if i tell you the result, will you change your opinion on who to say "nice hand"?



I'll tell you what each person had Saturday, then we can then AGAIN determine who actually played the hand well. ***i was not the person that played the hand well***

[daneblazer]

CO depending on what they had. Could make an argument for "nobody"...

[4uk4life]

Do you have nightmares while you sleep of people being nice to each other?

[Vegas39]

Do you have nightmares while you sleep of people being nice to each other?

awesome

[thetrinity]

lol cant say without knowing what they have. mp3 probably plays it terrible though, cant find a hand id do that with.

[yisman]

lol cant say without knowing what they have.

This is exactly what I was thinking. The hand is a major part of the equation.

[RudyRuetigger]

Do you have nightmares while you sleep of people being nice to each other?

its a simple training exercise.

that too hard to understand?

[RudyRuetigger]

lol cant say without knowing what they have. mp3 probably plays it terrible though, cant find a hand id do that with.

so you already know 1 of 4 is terrible, but lol cant say without knowing?

[downsouth]

tourney or cash game?

mp3 and mp1 were both fairly poor hands. even moreso with mp3 putting in 1/6 of his stack to just call. Even if he has monster its time to shove and try to isolate initial raiser.

UTG, I just dont believe in or understand the min raise there. What is he accomplishing there. Ill be honest though, Ive never been a big min raise guy unless late position, getting creative so I generally view the move as weak as a whole.

If CO has a decent hand or knows that UTG is a moron with a wide range of mid raise then I can see his play there.

So minus CO you could basically tell any of them nh if you really wanted too and by nh I mean the one that is generally followed by expletives mumbled under your breath

[RudyRuetigger]

tourney

what hands would you have utg to only raise min and call a shove with 2 people left to act (and pretty short stacked)?

what hands would you call mp1 10% of your stack, then fold with having to risk 1800 more with atleast 4500 already in the pot (that players main pot)?

what hands would you call 17% of your stack preflop, then call all in getting 1000 to the pot of about 4000 (that players main pot)?

what hands would you shove over the min raise and 2 calls?


I don't think you really need what hands they were to make the decision?

[thetrinity]

cant wait to hear what the expert comes up with, i wont say anything because i dont want to taint this stupidity any more. i can def see some hands id play utg and the cutoff like that though. realistically, i suspect mp3 is donking around and shows up with a hand that should probably have been folded.

[thetrinity]

tourney

what hands would you have utg to only raise min and call a shove with 2 people left to act (and pretty short stacked)?

what hands would you call mp1 10% of your stack, then fold with having to risk 1800 more with atleast 4500 already in the pot (that players main pot)?

what hands would you call 17% of your stack preflop, then call all in getting 1000 to the pot of about 4000 (that players main pot)?

what hands would you shove over the min raise and 2 calls?


I don't think you really need what hands they were to make the decision?

um ya u do.

[RudyRuetigger]

um ya u do.

um do you realize poker is about putting people on a range of hands?

the more important question is what kind of player each is, not what exact hands they have

[thetrinity]

um do you realize poker is about putting people on a range of hands?

the more important question is what kind of player each is, not what hands they have

no shit so if the cutoff shoved with 27 do we tell him nice hand?

[thetrinity]

i have a range thats ok for the utg player and one for the cutoff and if either or both falls into that range ill say they made an ok play.

[thetrinity]

i was having a hard time thinking of anything mp3 could play in that fashion that i would approve of, not one hand in the deck.

[RudyRuetigger]

no shit so if the cutoff shoved with 27 do we tell him nice hand?

given the right table dynamics, 27 might be a profitable shove.

i have a range thats ok for the utg player and one for the cutoff and if either or both falls into that range ill say they made an ok play.

then that is your answer










by the way, i forget but i dont think anyone actually said nice hand when it happened. i thought it was an interesting scenario as to see who actually had a nice hand.

[thetrinity]

given the right table dynamics, 27 might be a profitable shove.



then that is your answer

ya 27 a profitable shove at an sbrcallfest

ill give u an example if u say utg had aces, then id say he played it well, if you tell me he has 22 id say he played it bad so thats why we have to know the hands they did it with sherlock, if you said give an acceptable range for each player thats an entirely different story.

[daneblazer]

Give them all AK. What if they didn't look at their cards? Which play makes sense there?

There's a ton of things that would play into who made the better play, like is the utg a tight player, but just by actions the cutoff likely makes the "better" play a larger percentage of the time because he has a chance to win a decent sized pot uncontested by squeezing a min raise with two callers.

[downsouth]

tourney

what hands would you have utg to only raise min and call a shove with 2 people left to act (and pretty short stacked)?

what hands would you call mp1 10% of your stack, then fold with having to risk 1800 more with atleast 4500 already in the pot (that players main pot)?

what hands would you call 17% of your stack preflop, then call all in getting 1000 to the pot of about 4000 (that players main pot)?

what hands would you shove over the min raise and 2 calls?


I don't think you really need what hands they were to make the decision?

Me personally there is no hand that im min raising UTG with. Especially in a game where I know a min raise is likely to generate five callers regardless of stack sizes. Now if I had a substantially larger stack than I could possibly justify trying to build a big hand/pot.


MP1- Im not calling there generally, especially with stack size.

MP3- Im shove/fold in that situation. No other options for me.

CO- By time makes it to me again your options can only be shove/fold. If I shove its in hopes of taking it down obviously or only having to outrun 1 hand. Now you would think mp3 would be an automatic call but especially at SBR who knows. I see guys often limp off half there stack and fold when they miss the flop and believe they have played hand right.

As far as what hands I would shove over min raise and 2 callers. Quite a few.
Unless I have something to tell me otherwise.

For whats it worth though Im generally donkey/one trick pony and my answer is normally to just push

[RudyRuetigger]

ill give u an example if u say utg had aces, then id say he played it well, if you tell me he has 22 id say he played it bad so thats why we have to know the hands they did it with sherlock, if you said give an acceptable range for each player thats an entirely different story.

hey watson, i think it was pretty obvious you needed to determine a range during the 1st step and conclude which person(s) did play it well.

i did say:

I'll tell you what each person had Saturday, then we can then AGAIN determine who actually played the hand well. ***i was not the person that played the hand well***

[4uk4life]

its a simple training exercise.

that too hard to understand?

Oh my bad. I was unaware we had training around here. Who's the trainer? Was this decided on election night??? I didn't get my vote in

[Optional]

Me personally there is no hand that im min raising UTG with. Especially in a game where I know a min raise is likely to generate five callers regardless of stack sizes.

I min raise UTG quite a bit. Any bet post flop from there seems to make most people fold around here.

Would love to hear some advice on UTG strategy though. Often not confident if I am doing the right thing when playing early.

[ballahollic2]

I will assume Rudy is the CO. Tough question not knowing the dynamics of the table and exactly what we think of each opponent. UTG's play is fine IMO. I dunno what he ends up showing but on the surface I don't see anything he did wrong. "Assuming" Rudy is the CO in this scenario I think utg can call off lighter then normal. MP1 is always folding and CO knows that when jamming. MP3 is the wildcard in this as far as if he calls off or not. I think it may be slightly 2 thin for CO to jam light. I will say UTG had AQ, MP3 had 3's, and CO had Qj. IF Rudy isn't CO this whole thought process may be way off lol. I will say
UTG played it the best
CO 2nd
MP1 3rd
and MP3 with the best hand pre played it the worst.

See if I am close come Saturday lol

[easyliving]

I will say MP3 too tired to explain why

[thetrinity]

utg min raising doesnt bother me really although in these tournaments id be more likely to make it 250-300 at this level. still not a fan of limping big hands or making it a "scared to play poker" 500 raise.

mp1 is borderline deep enough to set mine so if he has a low pp, i can live with it, especially since hands are rarely 3bet on here. honestly, low-mid pps are about all i could see him having, being the first caller with hands like kj jq is not good play. those type of hands are easily dominated and also will be out of position if other players come along.

mp3 needs to just shove or fold IMO. if he somehow lucked out and was trapping aa good for him, but hes basically bringing the blinds in very cheap if the cutoff doesnt shove, also other hands are more playable later in position and with more money in the pot.

co can shove some hands in this spot, id lean to do it with a stronger range though. i think hes still deep enough to only 3 bet hands like aa or kk to 600 or so, i could see shoving hands like 10s jj qq ak aq, i guess 8s 9s r ok, id lean to setmining those type hands.

[RudyRuetigger]

Oh my bad. I was unaware we had training around here. Who's the trainer? Was this decided on election night??? I didn't get my vote in

The trainer is anyone that has a logical response. Unfortunately, you did not make the cut.

[thetrinity]

rudy just post this hand already this has gone on long enough.

[4uk4life]

The trainer is anyone that has a logical response. Unfortunately, you did not make the cut.

Oh I'm sure you think you did lol. I bet you are too fun at parties too. Don't like to joke around much do ya?

Let me pull out my bag of give a shits......nope sorry I'm all out

[RudyRuetigger]

Oh I'm sure you think you did lol. I bet you are too fun at parties too. Don't like to joke around much do ya?

Let me pull out my bag of give a shits......nope sorry I'm all out

Are you mad because I don't laugh when you sit at the fukkin tables and talk about what your fukkin wife is watchin on tv??

Or are you mad that this thread actually developed into good discussion and now you look like a fool?

[RudyRuetigger]

50/100 blinds, full ring

Utg (25 bbs to start) min raises to 200
mp1 calls (20bbs) 200
mp3, (right of co) calls (12 bbs) 200
co raises all in 22 bbs

utg calls
mp1 folds
mp3 calls

Lets say this:

UTG has AK
MP1 66
MP3 10 10
CO AQs

who played it best on the first round of action?

who played it well after the shove by CO?

who played it best overall?

[4uk4life]

You seem angry bro. Why so much hate?


You make a thread telling people to stop saying nh like it's really your business. Then you make another thread asking who should receive "nh" All I did was ask if you really had that much of a problem with it. Don't be so angry

[RudyRuetigger]

You seem angry bro. Why so much hate?

reread thread brahhhhh, pretty easy to tell where the hate is.

i only see 1 person derailing it.

[4uk4life]

reread thread brahhhhh, pretty easy to tell where the hate is.

i only see 1 person derailing it.

I can assure you I have 0 hate towards you. I made a jokingly comment very early in this thread to which you replied in a pissed off manner. I simply replied to it. I love everybody here and I enjoy talking at the tables whether its about what my wife is watching on tv, when my baby is due or whatever else I decide to talk about. If you have a problem with that, you can. I won't stop making friends and chatting it up at the table. I won't reply again since it bothers you so much. My intentions were playful, not harmful. Sorry you decided to take it the wrong way.

[RudyRuetigger]

I can assure you I have 0 hate towards you. I made a jokingly comment very early in this thread to which you replied in a pissed off manner. I simply replied to it. I love everybody here and I enjoy talking at the tables whether its about what my wife is watching on tv, when my baby is due or whatever else I decide to talk about. If you have a problem with that, you can. I won't stop making friends and chatting it up at the table. I won't reply again since it bothers you so much. My intentions were playful, not harmful. Sorry you decided to take it the wrong way.

I took it the wrong way? You do realize the whole chat is right above??

Do you have nightmares while you sleep of people being nice to each other?

its a simple training exercise.

that too hard to understand?