Suggestion for the second round of the 128 Man Tournament

[fearless]

I know there's gonna be a bracket for the second round. My only suggestion is that contestants be ranked from 1-64, based on their performance in the first round. IMHO, the best first round performer should get the first seed and take on the 64th seed and so on.

Does anyone like this idea? I didn't see it in the rules and I think it adds an extra level of excitement to the tournament. What does everyone think?

[fearless]

This idea will make our tournament parallel the NCAA tournament. A 1 and 16 seed will really mean something. Come on, let's do this.

[onthewhat]

this is a good idea. re seed the field each round based on units won/lost the previous round or make it cumulative

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

sounds good

[fearless]

this is a good idea. re seed the field each round based on units won/lost the previous round or make it cumulative

I don't think it should be reseeded after every round. That would be tons of work for management plus it would be confusing for everyone. We can call the first round the "play in" like the regular season in the NCAA tourney. You set the seeds based on the first round performance and stick with the bracket after that.

[big joe 1212]

Great idea, I don't think it would matter much. Hot could go cold very easily. It would make it more exciting though!

[treece]

I want to go against LT profits in the 2nd round if he ever gets there. Thats the only way I can be in a featured match since everyone blows him so hard.

[Mudcat]

I would file this idea under "Whatever."

First round results are too statistically insignificant to give any meaning to. But I guess if it adds excitement for some people, it wouldn't hurt anything.

Seems like unnecessary work for the administrators though. I'd leave it up to their preference.

[fearless]

First round results are too statistically insignificant to give any meaning to.

Using that logic you might say that the whole tournament is statistically insignificant so why bother with it at all.

This is about having fun, competing, and trying to earn money. I think realistic seedings makes the whole thing more fun.

Come to think of it, you may say the seedings in the NCAA tournament are "insignificant" because they're based on opinions. But, does that make it any less exciting to see a 16 seed take a 1 seed to the wire? Not to me, not almost anyone.

Competitions are about having fun first and this is a fun thing to do, imho.

Also, it's not nearly as much work as you would think. The person who's grading the duels can simply copy and paste each winner's results into a spreadsheet as they grade each duel. They just rank the competitors by a click of a button after that. It doesn't take much work, imho.

I think the advantages of making the whole more interesting and fun outweigh any disadvantages.

[losturmarbles]

if youre going to reseed after the first, then you need to continue doing it after each round.

the first matchups were selected at random (i guess) so i would just let it play out that way

[fearless]

if youre going to reseed after the first, then you need to continue doing it after each round.

I don't see why? The seedings only begin in the second round. They're not reseeding after the first round. They're seeding for the first time after the first round.

I'm just suggesting that the best first round performer should get the first seed and take on the 64th seed and so on.

[losturmarbles]

i know what your suggesting,
but im assuming they already have the list randomized of 128, then they just go down the line with each winner and add him to the bracket. virtually like it is a 128 bracket.
or they plan on randomizing the winners to add to the bracket

im just saying, that if you seed guys after one week, then you need to reseed the following weeks

im going to need to get lucky to make it to the next round anyway

[LLXC]

Reseeding sounds cool if it doesn't put a lot of additional work on the mods.

[fearless]

Reseeding sounds cool if it doesn't put a lot of additional work on the mods.

Exactly.

[I.R.B]

I think we can all go by whos odds is higher on Betjam when they put it up.

[fearless]

I think we can all go by whos odds is higher on Betjam when they put it up.

Excellent. Should we use first round performance as a tie breaker in doing the seedings?

Incidentally, they'll probably be using results from the past as well as results from the first round to compute their odds? Does anyone know? If so, that's obviously much more accurate.

[5 star bomb]

hopefully sbr listens to the advice... great idea

[Bread]

Fearless you have to MAKE it to the 2nd round first!

I kid I kid

[fearless]

Fearless you have to MAKE it to the 2nd round first!

I kid I kid

I'm thinking that this idea will make the tournament a little better for everyone.

You're still alive in our duel. If you hit your last 4 and I miss my next pick, I would have hit both of my last two picks to beat you! There's been all kinds of amazing comebacks in past tournaments, you're still alive my friend.

[Bread]

Death by NBA. The most cruelest death of all...

[VegasDave]

This is ridiculous.

Its all about strategy and survival, not style points. Me and LouisvilleKid both had iffy days today, putting me at -2.15 with 4 plays and him at -2.26 with 10 plays.

So what am I going into tomorrow trying to do? Go 2 - 2 with +100 games. I'm passing on some of my favorite plays on the board because they aren't the right number and I'm trying to move on to the next round, not gain style points worrying about seeding for the next round.

RANDOM is fair to everyone.

[fearless]

This is ridiculous.

Its all about strategy and survival, not style points. Me and LouisvilleKid both had iffy days today, putting me at -2.15 with 4 plays and him at -2.26 with 10 plays.

So what am I going into tomorrow trying to do? Go 2 - 2 with +100 games. I'm passing on some of my favorite plays on the board because they aren't the right number and I'm trying to move on to the next round, not gain style points worrying about seeding for the next round.

RANDOM is fair to everyone.

Actually, seeding by the Betjam odds (with first round results as a tie breaker) is TRULY FAIR to everyone.

Why? Because no doubt Betjam will be taking past results into account when they figure the odds. Obviously, the more data you use for seeding the more accurate it is, therefore, using Betjam odds as the basis for seeding is the most accurate and fair way to do it.

If you think about it, Betjam would be like the NCAA selection committee for our tournament! Betjam would decide the #1 seeds, the #2 seeds, etc. How cool is that?

[VegasDave]

Actually, seeding by the Betjam odds (with first round results as a tie breaker) is TRULY FAIR to everyone.

Why? Because no doubt Betjam will be taking past results into account when they figure the odds. Obviously, the more data you use for seeding the more accurate it is, therefore, using Betjam odds as the basis for seeding is the most accurate and fair way to do it.

If you think about it, Betjam would be like the NCAA selection committee for our tournament! Betjam would decide the #1 seeds, the #2 seeds, etc. How cool is that?

Honestly, I think everyone agreed last time that Betjam pretty much just assigned lines at random.

Are guys like LT going to be favorites? Of course. But how many in this tourney have like 6 career posts? How many have never posted a play before?

Besides that, there were like 40 guys at +5000... how do we seed them properly?

It is an insane amount of effort that doesn't really add anything in my opinion.

Now, reseeding for like the sweet 16? That might be fun. But its such a big clusterfvck right now that I don't see any fair or efficient way of seeding.

[fearless]

Honestly, I think everyone agreed last time that Betjam pretty much just assigned lines at random.

Are guys like LT going to be favorites? Of course. But how many in this tourney have like 6 career posts? How many have never posted a play before?

Besides that, there were like 40 guys at +5000... how do we seed them properly?

It is an insane amount of effort that doesn't really add anything in my opinion.

Now, reseeding for like the sweet 16? That might be fun. But its such a big clusterfvck right now that I don't see any fair or efficient way of seeding.

I can see a fair efficient way of seeding. Seeding just by first results using this method: As diogee grades the duels he can paste the results into excel. Then, he simply presses a button in excel to arrange the data by units won and the seeding is done. Everybody's ranked 1-64 by clicking a button. And copying and pasting everyone's results into a list in Excel doesn't take much time, imho.

We can combine this with Betjam's odds like this: We go with Betjam's odds for all seeds but first round results are used as a tie-breaker. For all the people with +5000 odds, their first round results determine their seeds.

In fact, I believe in this so much that I would do the excel spreadsheet myself. It wouldn't take more than an hour, imho.

[VegasDave]

You sound pretty resolved my friend! Good luck on your movement.

[fearless]

You sound pretty resolved my friend! Good luck on your movement.

Thanks.