Opie is not the brightest bulb on the tree. I think he luck into some money so he thinks this validates him as being smart. Bozo the clown was a millionaire but he was still a clown.
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Cutting for the sake of cutting isn't going to help the US economy, or make anyone happy if it happened that way.
Stimulus will get the economy back on track. And stimulus at the bottom end is far more effective than at the top.
Obama was really just saying "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country", without the original eloquence..Comment -
Good article.
It was long. I'm pasting the summary conclusion;
"Moreover, the warfare state is no less expensive and no more affordable than the welfare state. If America is to regain its financial footing, it must cut back—everywhere. Including America’s expansive military dole for other nations. A good place to start slashing would be welfare for South Korea."
I couldn't agree more. Military funding for financially secure countries is close to treason in my book.Comment -
Aww look....another brokedikk fukk angry that not everyone is lazy and broke like himself.
Sorry, pal. Unlike you, I have no interest in sitting around collecting 96 weeks of unemployment while bitching how guys like me should give more of our money to lazy fukks like yourself.
I'm not going to be held hostage by guys like Thor and his merry band of libtards who try to make hard working, motivated people feel guilty for their successes. I've worked hard for everything my family has. No one gave me anything. Nor did I ask for handouts. I saw an opportunity where I could use the few talents I was blessed with combined with a indefatigable desire to make it, put my head down and went to work.
The only lucky break I got was the good fortune of being born in a place where this kind of thing is still possible. That's what sets the USA apart. Not the miserable, defeated gloom you spread at every opportunity.Comment -
Opie, you sound like nobody helped in life??
How did you pay for college?? How did you get capital for your business?? How much do you pay your workers, Slave wages or union wages??Do you provide them with medical or do you let other taxpayers pay for it??etc.
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1)Worked fulltime in a warehouse for Grainger. Took 5 1/2 years to obtain my undergrad. Had a small balance for a loan in MBA paid off in 4 years.
2)I took a loan out from a bank for my first big project. Paid it off, or I would've been sunk. This was not a handout. This was a gamble that turned out the way I hoped it would.
3)I don't live in an area where my industry is unionized. Thank God. This being said, I pay my guys well. We've always ran a streamlined operation. I do my best to minimize turnover by retaining the best talent. I want people working for me to make a ton of money. I want them to be rich. Because if they are, I know I will be doing well.
I'm only a small business owner. I'm not DR Horton. Anyone can do what I've done. There's no secret to it.Comment -
I don't think your industry is unionized anywhere opie.. But I know what you home builders pay... And it's pennies(no health insurance either)...And that's in California, I can just imagine in Texas.
Also, I'm not saying you didn't work hard for your shit, Opie. I know you did.... But let's not pretend you didnt get HELP from a student loan or a bank taking a GAMBLE on your business.. Or a Mexican breaking his back for you..
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You stoooopid libtards realize the government does not create wealth and that the tax "OBAMA REVENUE" is derived from successful people paying their taxes.
So, no, the fuking government isn't building or helping anyone that starts their buisness. They are paying people with their own fuking money.
You fuktard big government "free pony" fuks need to shut the fuk up and feel lucky your welfare is still paid you EBT abusers
LOL GOVERNMENT ...THEY DON"T DO SHIT WITHOUT TAX PAYERS YOU STOOPID LIBS
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Opie, why do u mental midgets always think people are on welfare or unemployment because they disagree with your opinion? Does it make you feel better to say that even tho it couldn't be farther from the truth? Maybe guys like me can't stand hypocrites and liars as well as racist so i get a little teed off from time to time. Opie, do you think Republicans are the only people who work? I see the bank loan was a gamble lol. Without the help of a bank loan u don't do shit. You see why most reasonable people think you are a clown when you say stuff like that? A gamble lmfao. Ya received help you dik head so admit it. Just like your student loan. What Obama said was correct but since u are to naive to know you are being played by the twisting of words, just so u can hate the black man even more,there is nothing more to prove.Last edited by Thor4140; 07-24-12, 08:29 AM.Comment -
The gov't doesn't create wealth? Go see how much wealth the Bush family received from the Gov't. Dick Cheney never made a dime in his life that wasn't from tax payer funded. The Bush family may be the all time leaders getting the most tax payer dollars put into their bank accounts. Go look at all those politicians who inside trade because somehow they are allowed but us citizens are not. Inside trading is a lot like health care. The Republicans don't want the citizens to be able to do it but they could. Like health care they want Gov't out of it unless it is theirs. One of the most vocal assholes against health care for the people of this country showed what a despicable hypocrite he was. As soon as he was elected he was complaining on why he had to work 30 or 60 days before he got his gov't health care. U can't even make shit like this up. This asshole fought like an animal to deny people affordable health care and then when he was elected he wanted his gov't health care the day he started. Don't ya people see you are being played? This isn't really that hard to figure out.You stoooopid libtards realize the government does not create wealth and that the tax "OBAMA REVENUE" is derived from successful people paying their taxes.
So, no, the fuking government isn't building or helping anyone that starts their buisness. They are paying people with their own fuking money.
You fuktard big government "free pony" fuks need to shut the fuk up and feel lucky your welfare is still paid you EBT abusers
LOL GOVERNMENT ...THEY DON"T DO SHIT WITHOUT TAX PAYERS YOU STOOPID LIBS
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Presidents don't become presidents for the measly salary the job offers,they become president to build their nest egg for generations upon generations to come..........................Comment -
You are clearly an uneducated simpleton. There's simply no other way to explain your bitterness toward people who disagree that guys like yourself shouldn't get help from guys like me. If you consider taking a loan out to build a house, paying the interest that was agreed upon by both parties, and then paying off the loan in full by the time stipulated in the terms......as "help", then I guess you're right. Unlike yourself, I didn't stop paying my note because I decided after the fact the interest I was being charged was excessive. I made a deal, stuck to the terms, lived within my means, and paid it off.
I could care less what fukkin color Obama is. He is so far over his head at his current job that he doesn't know which way is up. You clearly like his message of the hardest working people having to share their spoils with those like yourself. I do not. If you want more. then go work for it. This is America.
(P.S. Learn how to type like a fukkin grown-up. I love how you claim to have owned your own business and be a successful guy. Funny thing is.....I've never known one successful business person who types things like "ur" and "cuz" and "y r u so mean"
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That phrase would be couldn't care less Opie if you want to play that childish game. Could care less
I could care less what fukkin color Obama is. He is so far over his head at his current job that he doesn't know which way is up. You clearly like his message of the hardest working people having to share their spoils with those like yourself. I do not. If you want more. then go work for it. This is America.
(P.S. Learn how to type like a fukkin grown-up. I love how you claim to have owned your own business and be a successful guy. Funny thing is.....I've never known one successful business person who types things like "ur" and "cuz" and "y r u so mean") Ya got help Opie admit it. Without the loans u don't do dik u idiot. GET IT! Without the loans u don't do dik!! as for the hardest workers paying others again this is farthest from the truth but run with it if it makes you happy along with ur other plethora of bullshit about others who disagree with you.
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There's a serious disconnect in the US where hardest working=most successful. It's as if people believe all you have to do to become wealthy is work really hard. It's a bull shit perspective. Hard working people can be successful and hard working people can be broke ass ditch diggers. There's a shit ton of lazy assed wealthy US citizens who got there by doing nothing more then being born with the right last name. Or in some cases, such as Nicole Richie, you're lucky enough to have some wealthy person adopt you.Comment -
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Every single president I can remember (I'm 34) has had a plan, my question is who has accomplished their plan?? The run for the office is about who can lie the best.. And in 2008 Obama was one hell of a liar.. It would be nice to see some honesty from a candidate and actually be able to trust in what they are saying but, I dont see that happening. I will vote for Mitt because of all the disasterous things Obama has done in the last 4 years... When does Obama stop blaming bush for his fuk ups????Comment -
How the 5 trillion stimulus work out the first time? No so well and SHTF. You libs are debtors and bigger government. Why are so many cities going bankrupt? Because their government spends too much. Go ahead and reelect Barry and watch an economic collapse unfold.
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This is pathetic. It is absolutely riddled with logical fallacies. If you want to genuinely contribute to the conversation and help people elevate their respective views into a state of higher understanding, utilize logic. After reading what you've been writing throughout this thread I can't even begin to imagine how you could have a university degree.
I'm not necessarily completely for/against democrats or republicans, but at least this Thor guy has offered more of a coherent argument for his views. This is a big election that is about to occur in your country, and efforts should be made to have as productive a conversation as possible in order to ultimately make the correct decision for whom people should vote.Comment -
I agree with one thing you said.....it's a big election in "my country".
So let's see if I can ramp up my intellect and reply to you in a civilized manner.
This is a thread about the President of the United States. You are a foreigner. So I fail to see why you feel the need to give your opinion on an issue which you clearly have no say, and more importantly, no vote.
I think that was a very mature, respectful reply by me. Typically I would simply go with "Hey foreigner....fukk off and mind your business!"
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I understand what you're saying, 'bama talked a good line to get elected, but didn't accomplish.
What plan does Mitt have? I've seen nothing. If you want a no spine pres, who flip flops like a fish out of water,
have at it and good luck.
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Nice to hear views from an outsider. Welcome to the world of US political insaneness. I agree, logic and put country 1st should
be the order of the day. It takes both parties to dance. When one party doesn't want to, nothing will get done.
I don't like the way 'bama has publicly divided parties and class. I won't vote for him because of that, but I don't want
the Repubs to have a victory either, with their not doing anything and their baby games. Might as well re elect Bush,
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The problem is that if you don't agree with these clowns u get labeled (broke, unemployment, welfare, one guy even uses the immigrant card). I am none of those things. I am probably more conservative then 90 percent of these guys. I think we all should pay the same percentage of taxes. If i make ten dollars and the guy next to me makes 100 and we both pay ten percent i am fine with that. Opie would rather keep it the way it is. Warren Buffet said "there is class warfare in this country and he is winning" I think he means he is paying a less percentage then the guy making 25 thou. That is a joke. Opie doesn't want his taxes raise but out of the other side of his mouth he was trilled to go into Iraq. Pounding his chest nightly, while never paying for any of it.Comment -
What exactly did Obama do to destroy this country? If u mean keeping some of these god awful policies of Bush's then i agree with you. Yes he did lie about getting things done because he can't get anything done when u have a group of pricks who are filibustering at historical levels. You make it sound like Obama could keep all of his promises. You have to vote on things bud. It just doesn't happen like that. Please don't tell me he had total control the first two years either. Having five to seven blue dog democrats out of the 60 is not having total control. These are just enuf guys to fuk up anything he wanted to do. Southern Democrats. Might as well call them Republicans. I will be the first to say Obama has been a big disappointment. He appeased these same assholes who put us in this mess to begin with. He learned nothing from the whole Clinton Kenneth Star fiasco, unless he is a closet neo-con dressed up as a democrat.Comment -
Reagan executed most of his plan and brought prosperity.
I agree with the rest of your comments. If Obama would at least govern as he promised the moderates could look the other way on his lack of performance. He promised to unite us, work with the left and the right and do business in Washington different. He has completely failed on that making me believe that was all a marketing gimmick. Romney may be no better but I think we should can these fakes and send in a new guy whenever we get suckered.Comment -
This is hilarious:after I said it was pathetic to argue via an army of logical fallacies...you ignore my comments and take one massive stab at me that happens to be a fallacy in itself.
You're right, I am Canadian. I am not American, and I won't be voting in your upcoming election. But let's follow your argument:
1.You are foreign
2.Foreigners do not vote in this election.
ergo:
Your opinions are all irrelevant.
The fact is, Opie, that the worth of my comments are not contingent on my nationality. They have worth based on their own merit. Denouncing my comments in the same way you just did is similar to claiming the following:
Person A is a scientist and Person B is not. Person B, while not being a scientist, manages to make a minor scientific discover. Person A (the scientist) denounces it, not because the science is wrong, but because Person B is not a scientist. It looks like this in logic:
1. Person B is not a scientist
2. Scientists only make scientific discoveries
ergo:
Person B could not have made this discovery.
I've tried to make this as simple as possible for you. I don't like flaming like you, but here it's called for:
You are a self-entitled bigot with an over-inflated sense of self worth.
And for the record: This election matters BIG time to me, whether I can vote in it or not.
America is the most influential country in the world and it will effect me. I discuss it rationally with my American friends and they would be embarrassed to call you a compatriot.Comment -
<b>in tax-exempt revenue bonds</b>
Many people invest in tax exempt municipal bonds. The government relies on it for funding. Not governmnet assistance.
In addition, Gilchrist Metal received a U.S. Small Business Administration loan of around $500,000 in the 1980s and has received several sub-contracts from the U.S. Navy.
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I don't buy that this is your main reason for not liking Obama - not one bit. If it were, there would be a record here of you complaining about how uphill from day 1 that mission was. At least a few posts from Jan 2009 from you and your current crowd of "let's give him a chance and see how this plays out". Nope, day 1 was about the Obama dow jones tank job. Paid stooge JJ still leads that charge.
For the record - the right did NOT want Guantanamo closed (they got what they wanted)
The Right proposed the basis of the ACA (Obamacare) during the 90's. They and the Rx companies got what they originally wanted
The Right said they wanted a strong leader internationally. Obama risked the relationship with Pakistan and still executed what he campaigned on (going in and asking for permission later). OBL DOA
Remember how Libya was going to be an American bloodbath and quagmire? How many soldiers did we lose to get that dictator out of office?
Remember how he'd never be able to wind down Iraq? OH MY GOD - it didn't happen exactly in his original timetable. Guess what, ending wars is a lot ******* tougher than starting them.
Remember when Obama invited Repubs to every initial policy gathering? Remember how the repubs said their #1 priority (3.5 ******* YEARS AGO) was to ensure Obama was not reelected.
You tell me how you would have tried to cater to the Right better? You tell me, when literally the day of your inauguration, you have Rush Limbaugh (mouthpiece to millions), Drudge, FoxNews plus people like Steve King and Chris Christie already blaming a tanking Dow for a guy who has been in office 12 hours. Remember the outrage over Obama's Nobel Prize? A prize he didn't petition for, and even joked he didn't deserve. A prize given by foreigners?
See, some of us lost family or friends during the Iraq war (for me it was a friend). It was obvious shortly after the war started that it was based on LIES. How did people magically (to this day still >50% of repubs) believe Saddam was tied to 911? Remember the threat of Saddam and a mushroom cloud over a US city? How about Saddam spraying us with chemical equipped drones? I remember it clearly.
That was a trillion dollar hit (yet tax cuts were passed). I understand soldiers die, but when they die for a war based on lies, some of us hold onto that a little longer than obviously others do.
But people like you, or Opie you worry only about money in your own pocket. Maybe you served in your younger days, but now you're all just anti government everything and part of the "I got mine" party.
Obama has shown that there is some actual room for real change for some people. Gay folks serving in the military. People who have a sick kid and want to start a business but couldn't previously get insurance. Penalties for CC companies who were (and still are) raping people. Just 3 examples of real change that would never have occured under McCain. Maybe you disagree with those changes, but whining about how "he never did anything" is utter bullshit.
In the end, guys like SBRJohn and Opie care about taxes only. They lose their shit over any misstep and blame it on "well look how the left acted" to justify their immaturity.
It's easy to used coded racist language like Opie, or to hide behind vague whining like SBRJohn and say "he said he'd work with the other side" and wax on poetically about Reagan. When pressed for specifics, however, it's always vague. Asked about 2000-2008, and immediately it's "oh here come's the blame it on Bush" to prevent any comparison.
If your best hope is that Romney might be the same so why not give him a try, I hope for your side, that there's a bit more passion than "let's try someone else".
I have ZERO issue with Mitt being rich. My issue is that his major plank is that his business experience is what America needs right now.
- He's evasive about Bain (to put it mildly)
- He's evasive about where he's hid his money (a republican complaint from the primaries)
Your best chance, is a business man who's platform is that he's rich because he's smart at business. But he won't show even the basics of how he's gotten rich, and he won't be up front about his business. Oh yeah, and Obama can be questioned non stop about his faith, but the Mormon (previously called a "cult" by many republicans) suddenly is off limits.
Maybe he'll win. Maybe you'll sit and count more money while more kids get sent to die in places like Iraq.
Good luck to you.Last edited by muldoon; 07-24-12, 02:34 PM.Comment
