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Rockford: 21 (our index is also incredibly high)
Chicago: over 300 (haven't checked in a while though, so it might me like 30 or 40 more)
But Arch....you must know that most of Rockford's crime problem stems directly from Chicago, right? Even saw an MSNBC special about a drug dealer who was running some operation in Chicago and migrated to Rockford because of the heat he was under. Doesn't change the fact that Chicago's gun law has not curbed murders.Comment -
yeah i'm not a fan of the ban....
but what year did they start it?Comment -
Instead of turning the argument into something else why don't we ask one simple question:
If you yourself planned on committing a crime in a fairly public/occupied location, would you,
A) Do so in a location which allowed citizens to be easily armed and ready
B) Find a location where guns were not allowed to be carried
Even if Anti-Gun, if you answer B then you are at least aware of the benefits and/or deep down even in support of citizens being able to carry; you are merely against criminals like the rest of us - unfortunately, you just wont allow yourself to admit it because you're too obsessed with fanatical utopian dreams or talking points delivered by those you hold as some kind of dear leaders. It's the simple laws of nature and common sense, and no amount of wishful thinking can ever reverse it.
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chicago murders by year the last 20 years
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Then he asked her to marry him? After completely abandoning her and the 2 small kids in the theater to die?
Good timing
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Bingo, doesn't matter though. Not the topic anyway.
Thought this was interesting...copy and pasted from an online article comments section, immigrant from another country with strict gun laws:
I lived in a country where guns are banned for all citizens. What happens is that only the criminals get them. They know they will find NO resistance when they break into a home or approach someone. Gun control is probably the least effective way of stopping crime. If a person knows his intended victim is armed, it is doubtful he will attempt a crime. So let's say the US makes the stupid move to ban all guns by private citizens. The outcome will be that no criminal is going to turn in his/her gun. That will most likely result in higher crime taking place. Second, it will give our government the opportunity to finally disarm the public leaving them vulnerable to a tyrannical government. Is that what Americans want? To return to before 1776?Comment -
CB, you are hilarious! I mean I'm pro gun in general. But it is odd how you totally want to dismiss possibly applicable statistics in a large city where guns are banned as "off-topic" but you then instantly go on to argue the flip side of that "gun bans make criminals feel safe and bold" argument with vague multiple choice questions of what would you feel "IF" you were a criminal and a anecdotal quote.Comment -
And a 19 year old kid took a bullet to the leg trying to save her and the kids. Her boyfriend was already in the damn car, driving off, and a young guy was saving her. What a complete tool that guy is. He should be pretty ashamed of his actionsComment -
Yeah, he told me to look into Chicago and when the data actually goes against his point it is "not the topic anyway".
And then he posts an unnamed author referencing an unknown location talking about the kind of nonsense you see on the Simpsons. Because that's right back on topic, right?
I don't actually give a fukk either way. Nothing is going to change and I don't live there. It's just stupid how blindly people are defending how easy it was for Holmes to do what he did.Comment -
Simpsons? I need those Canadian drugs. White boy in Aurora not exactly the same thing as gangstas from the south side. Chicago doesn't matter, but is over 300+ now so my guess is they fly over 440.Comment -
Everything about this is obviously extremely sad and disturbing. What intrigues me about it is what would motivate an individual to do something this heinous. I'm sure this has already been covered in this thread but James Holmes had an interest in Temporal Illusions that can allow a person(in his mind anyway) to change the past:
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guy must have gotten made fun of for how big his shirt was
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You'd be surprised what normal people can do. Even you. If the conditions for extreme actions are there...I don't know if he's "crazy", but "normal" people don't do what he did. I'd be a little worried about anyone who thinks a normal person could do that. He's evil and/or ill.
You seem to have a very innocent and idealistic view of human behaviour.
He's evil? Was he evil before he first decided to plan this? Was he evil when he was born? If not, when did he become evil? What is evil anyways? Got an answer for this? Let's say you have a definition of evil. Why should yours be universally accepted and not mine or someone else's? I think evil is a man-made construct that has no life outside human memes.
And it's funny, how politicians (even in developed countries), responsible for hundreds or thousands of deaths, are always considered "normal" - by those who would proclaim any lone gunman "crazy" in a heartbeat.
I guess, since he hasn't killed 1000+, he can't be promoted to "normal" just yet...
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Glad the gunman is truly stupid. Movie theaters is dark and the tear gas made it harder to see. There was no way for the gunman to aim accurately. Less casualties, thanks to his stupidity.Comment -
In the video he seems like a nice normal kid, mustve spent too many years tailing Brock and finally had enoughComment -
The numbers coming out of Chicago are atrocious. You can ban guns through Illinois and it would have zero impact on crime.Attached FilesComment -
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why does it say "chicago does NOT report stats for rape"??
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How sad... And brock still gambles when will he shoot up his local pizzeria.Comment -
Actually murders went up 41 percent, compared to an 18 percent rise in the entire United States in the decade after it outlawed handguns in 1982. I was reading an article in Time magazine about crime going down since the 90's. Part of the reason for the decrease in crime is due to the fact that several major cities have made it an initiative to stop gang violence (Chicago included).
Another thing too is that the median age has gone up. The median age in 1990, near the peak of the crime wave, was 32. A decade later, it was over 35. Today, it is 36-plus. (It is also true that today's young men are less prone to crime. The juvenile crime rate in 2007, the most recent available, was the lowest in at least a generation.)
One fact that you did not bring up from the wikipedia site that you copied these statistics from is that even though there is gun control in this city, 75% of murders involved a firearm in 2005. Over 75% of victims and 88% of offenders had a prior arrest history.
No matter how you cut it, guns still find a way to get to the wrong people.Comment -
The actor who played Batman, Christian Bale visited the memorial and victims yesterday in Aurora.Comment -
How bout you just shut the fukk up? You sound like one of those dirty "occupy" broke dick fukks that think they matter......even a little bit.You'd be surprised what normal people can do. Even you. If the conditions for extreme actions are there...
You seem to have a very innocent and idealistic view of human behaviour.
He's evil? Was he evil before he first decided to plan this? Was he evil when he was born? If not, when did he become evil? What is evil anyways? Got an answer for this? Let's say you have a definition of evil. Why should yours be universally accepted and not mine or someone else's? I think evil is a man-made construct that has no life outside human memes.
And it's funny, how politicians (even in developed countries), responsible for hundreds or thousands of deaths, are always considered "normal" - by those who would proclaim any lone gunman "crazy" in a heartbeat.
I guess, since he hasn't killed 1000+, he can't be promoted to "normal" just yet...Comment
