Why do all you idiots bitch about the NBA being rigged?

**Reedeman** · 06-03-12, 02:23 PM

If you watch every single playoff game, you can't help but come away with the impression that the officials are manipulating the outcome of say 1 game out of 4-5.

There are the obvious manipulations; no-calls, technicals, excessive foul calls leading to early foul trouble for key players etc.
Then there are the subtle calls that effect the momentum of the game and prevent a team from pulling away..
Home court advantage has also become an entirely different animal in these playoffs, as the home court team seems to get the bulk of favorable fouls/no-calls.

If you scrutinize at every series there's alway one game, maybe two, that stands out as being obviously mandated. If anyone watches those questionable games and thinks otherwise then they are very naive.

**jnickell100** · 06-03-12, 03:17 PM

When espn is talking about the fix, you know it's bad. Espn is the big brother of the NBA. Finally this stuff is getting mainstream and it's a good thing. People will stop watching if it keeps up

**bettilimbroke999** · 06-03-12, 06:15 PM

So any game you guys win is not rigged, any game you lose is rigged and since you ***** are broke and barrelled in they must rig alot of em...I mean just look at that call they missed they wouldnt ever miss a call if it wasnt rigged

**jnickell100** · 06-03-12, 06:57 PM

Dude why are youso adament theNBA is not fixed? I'm curious? Are you David sterns son or something?

**PhillyFlyers** · 06-03-12, 07:34 PM

Because it's rigged.

**Thor4140** · 06-03-12, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66

You are a little off with your numbers on the Knicks getting Ewing. They had the 3rd worst record the previous year and a 14.29% chance of winning the lottery. Was it rigged?- Who knows, sometimes funny things happen in big business.

did u watch the video? It was the most blatant rigged job i ever saw. Go look for it. it is on You tube and get back to us. Oh here is a hint, look for the bent corner on the Nicks envelope

**PD77** · 06-03-12, 07:49 PM

Here is proof that the NBA was rigged. I am not saying it is or is not rigged currently but it can be done and it was pulled off for a while.
Sports gambling expert R. J. Bell, president of sports betting information site Pregame.com, tracked every game Donaghy worked from 2003 to 2007. He discovered that during the two seasons investigated by the NBA, the teams involved scored more points than expected by the Las Vegas sports books 57 percent of the time. In the previous two seasons, this only happened 44 percent of the time. According to Bell, the odds of such a discrepancy are 1 in 1,000, and there was "a 99.9 percent chance that these results would not have happened without an outside factor". He also found 10 straight games in 2007 in which Donaghy worked the game that the point spread moved 1.5 points or more before the tip—an indication that big money had been wagered on the game. The big money won every time—another indication that "something (was) going on". However, Bell suggested that there was no way anyone who wasn't in on the fix could have known that something was amiss about Donaghy's actions during a game; he said it would have been another year at the earliest before anyone could have caught on.[24]

**Thor4140** · 06-03-12, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by PD77

Here is proof that the NBA was rigged. I am not saying it is or is not rigged currently but it can be done and it was pulled off for a while.
Sports gambling expert R. J. Bell, president of sports betting information site Pregame.com, tracked every game Donaghy worked from 2003 to 2007. He discovered that during the two seasons investigated by the NBA, the teams involved scored more points than expected by the Las Vegas sports books 57 percent of the time. In the previous two seasons, this only happened 44 percent of the time. According to Bell, the odds of such a discrepancy are 1 in 1,000, and there was "a 99.9 percent chance that these results would not have happened without an outside factor". He also found 10 straight games in 2007 in which Donaghy worked the game that the point spread moved 1.5 points or more before the tip—an indication that big money had been wagered on the game. The big money won every time—another indication that "something (was) going on". However, Bell suggested that there was no way anyone who wasn't in on the fix could have known that something was amiss about Donaghy's actions during a game; he said it would have been another year at the earliest before anyone could have caught on.[24]

Back when Marc Cuban used to go ballistic and say the NBA was rigged he openly came out and said that every game the officials get a sheet telling them how to call the game. Why in the world would the officials need something like a sheet to tell them how to call the game that night.?

**jnickell100** · 06-03-12, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

Back when Marc Cuban used to go ballistic and say the NBA was rigged he openly came out and said that every game the officials get a sheet telling them how to call the game. Why in the world would the officials need something like a sheet to tell them how to call the game that night.?

Thats exactly what happens. The officials are told, hey look for this. Look for that. So they're not told exactly how to ref but what to "look for"

**InTheDrink** · 06-03-12, 08:05 PM

Ya know what's rigged? If bettilimbroke has any sort of degree then every fukkin one of his teachers was in on that rig.

Guy. Is. Not. Smart.

Whether or not the nba is rigged this guy comes across like a moron trying to state a decent case for his argument.

**Thor4140** · 06-03-12, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by jnickell100

Thats exactly what happens. The officials are told, hey look for this. Look for that. So they're not told exactly how to ref but what to "look for"

Yeah okay. lmfao

**k13** · 06-03-12, 08:42 PM

One thing people forget is the longer these marquee series go the more money the NBA makes so all this sweep talk after the series were 2-0 were kind of laughable not too mention home cooking.

Books are not that dumb though. They give you Spurs +4.

**The Kraken** · 06-03-12, 08:54 PM

If all games have the potential to be rigged and winners chosen for the sake of ratings and big markets advancing, why are the Lakers out but the Thunder and Spurs are still in? Why were the Knicks nixxed in the first round but the 76ers advanced?

**bettilimbroke999** · 06-03-12, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

Ya know what's rigged? If bettilimbroke has any sort of degree then every fukkin one of his teachers was in on that rig.

Guy. Is. Not. Smart.

Whether or not the nba is rigged this guy comes across like a moron trying to state a decent case for his argument.

Keep believing its rigged moron, anytime u lose a bet its rigged, how bout when it comes down to it theres fouls that are called and fouls that are not called, anytime the fouls are in one direction or the other you could say the refs have been told to rig it that way but THERE ARE ALWAYS going to be calls more calls in one direction or the other in any game.

If the guys in the NBA are so good at rigging games that you * brokedick turnip heads that spend all day saying how rigged it is cant decipher any rhyme or reason to their rigging in order to make winning bets then you are either retarded (okay thats a given) or its not rigged or both

**pepero428** · 06-03-12, 10:56 PM

makes it seem like nba is not 100% clean bett, WWE is fixed but many people don't know who wins, so it could be the case for nba its fixed but its too difficult to tell for sure (1% or w/e only profit from gambling long-term)

**InTheDrink** · 06-03-12, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

Keep believing its rigged moron, anytime u lose a bet its rigged, how bout when it comes down to it theres fouls that are called and fouls that are not called, anytime the fouls are in one direction or the other you could say the refs have been told to rig it that way but THERE ARE ALWAYS going to be calls more calls in one direction or the other in any game.

If the guys in the NBA are so good at rigging games that you * brokedick turnip heads that spend all day saying how rigged it is cant decipher any rhyme or reason to their rigging in order to make winning bets then you are either retarded (okay thats a given) or its not rigged or both

the real reason why the nba might get away with rigging games is because of morons like you who have no concept as to how or why it might really happen

you clearly dont have the mental capacity to understand how a game could be influenced by the refs and why its still not a sure thing to win....but keep posting so you can get the word out quicker on what a feeble minded dumbass you are

**bettilimbroke999** · 06-03-12, 11:16 PM

They rigged the game for Boston, they rigged Lebron to pass the ball to Haslem for a ridiculous brick then for DWade to blow a wide open game winner

I had a bet on Miami...that's how I KNOW it was rigged!

TOTALLY RIGGED!
YOU GENIUSES ARE RIGHT!

**Jimmy_Whispers** · 06-03-12, 11:35 PM

bettilimbroke you are still going on about this? Have you watched any of the videos some of the posters posted in this thread? Why are you so adamant about this subject? You seem angry about something....

**bettilimbroke999** · 06-03-12, 11:42 PM

Im not angry about anything, Im just saying if you know its rigged then tell ME RIGGED FOR WHO BEFORE THE GAME AND LETS WIN EVERY GAME!

It doesnt make sense to say oh yea u know they werent gonna let Boston win or OKC win or Philly win AFTER the game, **** I bat 1000 pickin winners AFTER the game, tell me its rigged BEFORE the game!

**MoneyLineDawg** · 06-03-12, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

Im not angry about anything, Im just saying if you know its rigged then tell ME RIGGED FOR WHO BEFORE THE GAME AND LETS WIN EVERY GAME!

It doesnt make sense to say oh yea u know they werent gonna let Boston win or OKC win or Philly win AFTER the game, **** I bat 1000 pickin winners AFTER the game, tell me its rigged BEFORE the game!

Mark Cuban and Tim Donaghy have both said the same things about how David Stern passes down things for the refs to "look for" during certain games, usually important playoff games......Not every game is rigged, and the ones where the refs clearly favor one team we will never know beforehand

**nj1035** · 06-03-12, 11:55 PM

If the NBA was caught rigging games their business would crumble. It's just not worth the risk and I don't buy it. I don't think they're stupid enough.

I think there's just bad refereeing sometimes. If Lebron James can choke in big moments so can a referee. And it's more noticeable in basketball because the whistle blows so much AND there are more judgement calls than in football or baseball. The refs are more involved in the game so it's more noticeable.

**RunningMan7** · 06-03-12, 11:56 PM

We do know a ref was involved in the past. So not out of question it could happen again. But I do agree with the OP. It is very unlikely the NBA is rigged right now. Yes, there may be refs favoritism of certain players which happens in every sport and if one team has more of such favored players, they will get the benefit of such calls. Also, it depends on the whims of the refs towards a team. It happens worse in baseball on balls and strikes.

Consider this. Do you think some powerful owners of teams will sit idly by while the NBA rigs the outcome? Only one team can win the finals. There will be a lot of pissed off megamillionaires if this happens because of riggging.

**raydog** · 06-04-12, 12:42 AM

looking for or calling certain fouls isnt a crime...they let marquee players get away with murder, so calling games fairly isnt a beef i have and i really wish they would treat every player the same all year round, but the never will...

btib, if you can watch game 1 of the mia/bos series without saying the game was completely dictated by the refs, ill say okay... but know that you are flat out wrong and i guess had money on miami... that was the most corrupt game i have personally viewed...it wasnt a bad call, here and there...it was bad call after bad call and the blatant whoreshit was obvious to absolutely everyone...when, the next day, one of espns shows spends much of their hour on the bogus officiating, they know the game was decided before it even started...to say different is would be absolutely foolish...

so no, not all games are rigged and even if they seem rigged because of certain calls (actually making the right calls that they should be making all along) they arent... but game 1 in miami was going to have 1 ending and 1 ending only...dont be stupid...you saw it too.

**Reedeman** · 06-04-12, 02:03 AM

OKC vs. LAL game 3 was obviously manipulated.

Fukkin joey crawford...

**The Kraken** · 06-04-12, 04:19 AM

Game tonight is rigged. Not sure how yet but I'll be sure to tell you all after the game.

**gasto** · 06-04-12, 08:05 AM

Off course its rigged.

108 points versus 76 points in 2nd half plus overtime

Dont forget Totals are part of this stuff. How does Miami score only 2 points and Boston 4 points in 5 mins of overtime. Not only the refs, i think the players and especially the key players are on it because they get to handle the ball.

Game started at a fast pace and within minutes Bet365 had already adjusted live Totals to high 180s and went all the way up to 198. Now think about it , game total was 180 right with plus or minus 7 for the teasers. All bettors even with teasers at under 188 panicked and may have bet extra on the inflated overs. The in game total for game went as high as 198. Imagine how many people lost betting on these high live totals.

Half time comes, bets are tallied and the acting begins. Average gambler and rightly so feels high scoring will continue. Boston only scores 12 point in 3rd qtr. How do you explain that.

One more thing, if you have access to these betting sites how do they have almost exact live in game totals during games. I can accept average gambler making a bad read , how about the betting houses. They off course are trying to lead betters one way, and a simple phone call or text to someone at the game can change the course of the game.

I would not be surprised if there is some collusion between the betting houses. My 2 cents.

**ebbearsfb1** · 06-04-12, 08:27 AM

Just look at the lines..you want a rig job.. game 5 heat and spurs will both win... the lines say it all... 2 team parlay

**wantitall4moi** · 06-04-12, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by nj1035

If the NBA was caught rigging games their business would crumble. It's just not worth the risk and I don't buy it. I don't think they're stupid enough.

I think there's just bad refereeing sometimes. If Lebron James can choke in big moments so can a referee. And it's more noticeable in basketball because the whistle blows so much AND there are more judgement calls than in football or baseball. The refs are more involved in the game so it's more noticeable.

umm they were caught but blamed it on a 'rogue' ref that became a scapegoat.

People are dumb and will believe anything 'authority' tells them. if you have an independent thought in yor head or form your own conclusions youre a radical or a conspiracy theorist.

In the end people believe what they want to believe even if someone told them them absolute trtuht most people will only believe what their pea brains can accept and filter out the rest.

While they arent and out fixed many sporting events, especially where officials have a huge impact on the game can and are most definitely being manipulated.

While the winners in the play offs are given a priority in regards to sheer gambling it is all about totals and scores and how to make sure a game is over or under. baseball can manipulate the strike zine and make pitchers have to hit a perfect spot which opens themup to getting hammered, basketball is easiest since they can call fouls any time they want. So while sometiems they want certain teams to do well that really doesnt become obvious until those 'must win' games where theywill do anything and everything to make sure one teams wins thatthey 'want' to win. Sac/lakers game six a few years ago was the perfect example. It was also oneo f the most blatant fixes ever but people still think the game was actually legitimate.

**BlacK_HazE** · 06-04-12, 08:57 AM

HE BROUGHT COOKIES TO THE COACH

**bettilimbroke999** · 06-04-12, 09:04 AM

Im not sayin the NBA is rigged but right before DWade shot that completely wide open 3 at the buzzer in OT he turned towards his bookie in the stands and mouthed "100 dimes on Boston"

**The Kraken** · 06-04-12, 09:20 AM

For the series or the just the game?

**tropolis** · 06-04-12, 09:25 AM

the nba isnt rigged, its too popular of a league to rig. maybe 30 years ago when it was fighting to stay relevant. now you have a built in fan base regardless of who is playing in the playoffs.

the nhl is the one where i could see rigging, just because they are so desperate to try and stay relevant.

**4TH AND STUPID** · 06-04-12, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

Im not sayin the NBA is rigged but right before DWade shot that completely wide open 3 at the buzzer in OT he turned towards his bookie in the stands and mouthed "100 dimes on Boston"

im only going to post in this thread once. i did not plan on initially, but your posts are just so awful that it must be done.

1) if A game is "rigged" (influenced by wagers/player performances/officiating), it doesn't mean EVERY game is rigged. therefore, for you to conclude that, based on wade being able to hit that jumper and the outcome being able to go either way, that you somehow prove every game of basketball in the nba is not "rigged"/influenced---then your logic is completely flawed and quite frankly you come across a guy with a really low i.q.

2) there are certain games/matches, in almost all pro sports, that have certain elements (not necessarily the outcome in terms of who wins) that are influenced by wagers. in some cases, it has been a player him/herself performing in a certain manner, in many cases it has been officiating/referee/umpiring, and in some cases it has been management/coaching, resulting in certain rosters.

if you believe otherwise from what i have stated in point #2, you aren't experienced enough of a gambler to be having this conversation or making posts worthy of reading in a forum.

check in again in 15-20 years when you understand the industry a bit better. for the time being, your posts are terrible and you come across as a very stupid person with really poor understanding of what you're attempting to speak of.

for now, due to your poor post, i am going to metaphorically flag you for :

HOLDING (1O yards from previous spot) repeat down. (reference sport: NFL)

PERSONAL FOUL---defensive foul away from basket (reference sport: nba)

NO BALL----overstepping line (reference sport: cricket)

**nj1035** · 06-04-12, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by wantitall4moi

umm they were caught but blamed it on a 'rogue' ref that became a scapegoat.

People are dumb and will believe anything 'authority' tells them. if you have an independent thought in yor head or form your own conclusions youre a radical or a conspiracy theorist.

In the end people believe what they want to believe even if someone told them them absolute trtuht most people will only believe what their pea brains can accept and filter out the rest.

While they arent and out fixed many sporting events, especially where officials have a huge impact on the game can and are most definitely being manipulated.

While the winners in the play offs are given a priority in regards to sheer gambling it is all about totals and scores and how to make sure a game is over or under. baseball can manipulate the strike zine and make pitchers have to hit a perfect spot which opens themup to getting hammered, basketball is easiest since they can call fouls any time they want. So while sometiems they want certain teams to do well that really doesnt become obvious until those 'must win' games where theywill do anything and everything to make sure one teams wins thatthey 'want' to win. Sac/lakers game six a few years ago was the perfect example. It was also oneo f the most blatant fixes ever but people still think the game was actually legitimate.

What "authority"? LOL

I was just putting myself in the shoes of the NBA executives and using my brain. Think about it. It's not worth it to rig the league. The secret would get out eventually, it always does. That ref was acting on his own, there is no evidence to prove otherwise. It's not like he came and blamed the league. He went to jail. Do you honestly think the US Justice system would cover for the NBA as well? Because they're the ones who put him in jail. If you think that you are truly a whacko.

**wantitall4moi** · 06-04-12, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by nj1035

What "authority"? LOL

I was just putting myself in the shoes of the NBA executives and using my brain. Think about it. It's not worth it to rig the league. The secret would get out eventually, it always does. That ref was acting on his own, there is no evidence to prove otherwise. It's not like he came and blamed the league. He went to jail. Do you honestly think the US Justice system would cover for the NBA as well? Because they're the ones who put him in jail. If you think that you are truly a whacko.

NBA is a money sieve they havent made a profit in who knows how long.

As far as Doneghy he was probably paid off to keep quiet and his whole act since then has been an act. He knows people are degenerates and he plays to that audience, so he goes on shows and talks about it and the gamblers eat it up, 'normal' aspects of society couldnt care less.

You play to your audience in these cases. So Stern plays to the people who will believe anything someone with a title and who is seen as 'respectable' tells them, and Donaghy plays to the gamblers and people who want to believe it isnt a fair system.

Its like everything else, there is the truth and then there are versions of the truth. Like I said people will believe just enough of what their brains will let them believe. Some people are capable of believing more others are also capable of seeing past half truths and outright lies. So it is a game of perception. Perception and reality have not been synonymous since the beginning. But even if an absolute whoehearted 100% truth was given it would still not be accepted fully by everyone that heard it. Like I said there would be varying degrees to the acceptance depending on the person and their thought process.