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I know a young Jewish family who voted for Obama in 2008. To say that they were outraged about his remarks yesterday would be a gross understatement. They want his head. You can bet that the Republicans will not let the people forget about that statement. There is no question that Obama's policy has cost him many votes. Generally speaking, this probably will not hurt him, as a majority of Jewish voters live in New York, California, and Illinois, states where Obama is really in no great danger of losing, however it can kill him in Florida. It will definately hit him hard in the campaign donation pocket book. It also puts other Democratic Candidates in a bad spot. If you are a Democratic Candidate, do you back your Presidents Foreign Policy or not?Comment -
Old ones stuck in their ways vote Dem.
Democrats have not been pro-Israel for a long time.
Remember, old people come out to vote a lot more than the younger people.[quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
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The Jews who vote Democrat do so mainly on the left of center to liberal mindset...not on policy toward the State....because we all know neither American political party has any real influence over that aspect of things.
I'm a Reform Jew and hold mainly Libertarian views...I've voted for Clinton and against Obama, I like to be a free thinker and not be beholden to either party.Comment -
THURSDAY: OBAMA: 'We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines'...
TUESDAY: Q: 'There's a draft of the speech floating around that says the president will urge Israel to withdraw to the pre-1967 borders'...
CARNEY: 'That report is completely false'...
Déjà vu of what happened when we took out Bin Laden...does his team even talk to each other
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Democrats pro Muslim/Palestine. American Jews Uncle Toms.Comment -
One problem with the thinking in this thread is that American conservative's think that we jews are very religous people. They hear Jew and somehow think that aligns with hardcore Southern Christians. It's not so. We are really a very secular bunch. We may have descended from very religous people, but American Jews are really not hardcore about it. Go to a trendy Jewish bar anywhere in the country and you will see extreme forms of sin!!!!
Jews have always been involved heavily in civil rights (can you blame us), the Labor movement, and we love education. The polls showing a solid majority of college graduates vote Dem is not exclusive to non jews. Jews, for the most part, are usually highly educated and though we may not like alot of Dem policy, it is hard for us to find much about conservative views that we agree with.
Hannity loves to pound on anything relating to Israel. He loves to rally the Christian conservatives on issues that relate to Israel, all the while American Jews for the most part are not that concerned about it.
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Kaplan....Thanks for makng sense of the situation.
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I fukking hate Hannity. How does he not realize everything he stands for is done a disservice when he starts talking? I don't know if it's because he's Irish Catholic or what, but when he goes out there running his mouth like he understands what the American Jew's priorities are and then flunks it so bad you can't but hope he'll just get hit by a bus one day and forced off the air. And this is coming from a guy a lot of liberals like to think is a crazy right-wing nut job.
I'm probably delusional, but I still think this country is capable of raising the intellectual level of the common discourse to a high enough degree that guys like Hannity are ragged on till they leave the room.No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.Comment -
How can he make these decisions? Israel is it's own country. They can make their own decisions. It was a great way to F up America's best ally in the Middle East too. Next he will decide to give some of Vatican City away. Then, maybe Sin City.Comment -
Most of them vote Dem for the same reason others vote dem....because they're weak.Comment -
why do jews vote democratic - simple = the jews are a wise people. they realize that they as a group and we as a nation prosper under liberal administrations and suffer under conservative administrations.Comment -
Leftism has been ingrained in much of their culture going back to Marx, but recently many have abandoned it in favor of NeoCons (founded by Jews) and Rand/Friedman inspired Libertarians, both of which strongly support Israel.Comment -
im on it...Comment -
Yes Jews are smart you can't argue with that, there is a reason why most of them vote Dem. Notice how most uneducated, small town, stressed out, obese, racist people vote republican. Wyoming, Idaho, Alaska, Utah etc. It is a good thing these shitty rural states have very few electoral votes.Comment -
Jews don't vote dem.Comment -
So what? Any problem? ByeComment -
That's what I love about you liberals, you have to keep changing your story all the time to mask the truth that your ideas have no principle or consistency and are derived from hollow juvenile emotional bullshit.
Why only a few years ago, the Democrats were the "party of the people." You know, the "most uneducated, small town, stressed out, obese, racist people." The people served by Willie Stark and Robert Byrd and George Wallace. You celebrated those people, pandered to them, promoted the concept of the nobility of the common man, even though the common man isn't any more racist or uneducated as they were then. You loved them when they believed in you.
But then something happened. Those people stopped listening to you. They started realizing you were just a bunch of weak children with no backbone who have no damned clue how to run a country. So they started listening more and more to conservatives. Who unlike liberals, have a philosophical foundation and do not change their principles every election, (even if their politicians do.) It became easier and easier to realize "hey, conservatives actually stand for something." Like limited government and smaller taxes. Straight forward uncomplicated, consistent, sensible ideas. And they've stood for those things in the beginning, and they will till the end.
So maybe when liberals start standing for real things instead of intangible and contrived gelatinous concepts like "social justice" and "cultural awareness" the everyday people will once again return and support them. But as long as you punish American children for being patriotic at the expense of an immigrant child's feelings, and support an administration that says poor people are incapable of paying their medical bills but quite capable of paying for houses out of their price range, well then everyday people with everyday common sense are going to continue to vote for the other guy. It doesn't take a degree from Harvard to realize you guys are completely full of shit on just about everything.No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.Comment -
There's no changing it....
Most red states are welfare states.Comment -
Hmmm, you sure about that?
Oregon, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Rhode Island, Washington, Minnesota, New York, D.C., Vermont, Massachusetts, Maine, California....um most of those states are bluer than the Smurfs. None of them would be considered red.
And the states with the biggest budget problems?
Wisconsin, Oregon, Hawaii, Louisiana, Washington, New Jersey, Illinois, Connecticut, Vermont, California, Florida, Arizona, Alaska, New York, Nevada.....
most of them are also traditionally run by liberals.
Sorry brother.
You must be thinking of those numbers that compares the amount of federal money states receive as a proportion of the tax revenues they produce. The problem with that stat is that it accounts for ALL federal money received. Such as the federal money a state receives from the government for things regarding the military. And as we all know, our biggest military bases and our most expensive military development centers are primarily in red states. So of course they are going to receive a higher proportion of $$$$ than they produce in taxes. They have a much larger proportion of federal employees than the other states and bigger expenses.No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.Comment -
Of course you are going to get opinions and everyone thinks they know the deal. I don't care what someone tries to tell you about this subject, this is correct information. Older Jewish people are mostly Republicans... Obama did get the Jewish vote but it surely wasn't the older generation. I know a lot of Jews my age who are Democrats and their parents are Republicans. There is also a big difference from the American Jewish mentality vs Israeli Jewish mentality.. It's a difference between night and day, the two aren't even remotely close. Baruch HaShem.המוסד
המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים
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Hmmm, you sure about that?
Oregon, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Rhode Island, Washington, Minnesota, New York, D.C., Vermont, Massachusetts, Maine, California....um most of those states are bluer than the Smurfs. None of them would be considered red.
And the states with the biggest budget problems?
Wisconsin, Oregon, Hawaii, Louisiana, Washington, New Jersey, Illinois, Connecticut, Vermont, California, Florida, Arizona, Alaska, New York, Nevada.....
most of them are also traditionally run by liberals.
Sorry brother.
You must be thinking of those numbers that compares the amount of federal money states receive as a proportion of the tax revenues they produce. The problem with that stat is that it accounts for ALL federal money received. Such as the federal money a state receives from the government for things regarding the military. And as we all know, our biggest military bases and our most expensive military development centers are primarily in red states. So of course they are going to receive a higher proportion of $$$$ than they produce in taxes. They have a much larger proportion of federal employees than the other states and bigger expenses.
Why wouldn't they be in trouble, it's a depression...
And states have nothing to do with military bases, brother.Comment -
True. But then they wouldn't be in as much trouble if they didn't just throw money around like a baboon flings feces. Maybe if the kept their finances in better shape (like the redder states) and didn't spend so recklessly they wouldn't be so worse off.
And I would agree, which is why the stat you are using is such a fukking sham. Because your stat includes payouts to all federal employees, as is noted here in the New York Times.....
No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.Comment -
The fact that it's 2011 and people still talking about a race of people using such broad strokes, is sad.
Some people vote with their pocketbook, some with their conscience, some with tradition, some out of idealism.
"Jews vote XYZ" is no different than "Americans are racists because..."Comment
