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I think the title was obviously created to attract attention.
When it comes down to it this is a very even series and no one should be faulted for taking +165 in an even series.
That being said, some of the comments and analysis from the bulls backers is starting to become funny.
Listen the bulls are not the favorite for a reason. and I would dispute almost all your above points that Chicago is "superior" in anything outside of PG play.Comment -
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The Heat clearly do not have more depth. Outside of the superstars, the Bulls dominate each matchup. We can go player by player and situation by situation and the Bulls depth will wear the Heat out. Therefore, I would argue my comment stating the Bulls have superior depth is accurate.
I hope your statement does not encompass my reference to coaching. Thibodoeau is a clearly the better strategic x's and o's coach, as well as the better in-game and game-to-game adjustments coach. Therefore, I would again argue that the Bulls have superior coaching.
Finally, while the difference in defense prowess is probably de minimus, I believe the Bulls get the edge on the front line and their ability to play 10 deep helps their defense. Therefore, perhaps superior may be a slight overstatement, but I think the Bulls do have the defensive edge.
With home court advantage, the Bulls are the value play. If you could please specify how you can dispute the above points, I am all ears. Thanks.Comment -
"WHAT VEGAS WISE GUYS ARE THINKING
ABOUT THE HEAT-BULLS SERIES
There's certainly a lot of excitement in Las Vegas and Reno this weekend for the start of the Miami Heat-Chicago Bulls series.
LeBron James of Miami has added to his legacy with some very clutch play in Games Four and Five of the Boston series. Chicago has the regular season league MVP in Derrick Rose leading their attack. And, the Bulls played their best ball of the postseason in the last two games of the Atlanta series.
THIS is the series everyone has been waiting for!
The West had some twists and turns with #1 seed San Antonio falling in the first round, and #2 seed Los Angeles getting shocked in a sweep in the second round. In the East, Chicago and Miami took care of business to set up a showcase series that will have sportsbooks packed for each and every game.
What do the sharps (professional wagerers) think about this series? Here's my take from talking to a variety of respected players.
*Sharps think Miami is the better team, and are trying to figure out how to bet the Heat for value. This is going to be tough because Miami is likely to be the public team. Fans have always wanted to bet on LeBron James. That's why he earned so much vitriol with recent postseason disappointments. He wasn't just losing games for Cleveland. He was losing money for Vegas bettors who want to load up on the league's superstars! Now that he's got a championship look to him, squares want to bet Miami. Sharps will have a challenge on their hands!
*Sharps don't particularly want to lay big points with Miami. The Heat's offense really got bogged down in the last two games vs. Boston. One went overtime. The other was very close until the final seconds. That means sharps are looking carefully at the Heat on the road. You'll note the standard opener across the market was Chicago -2 in Game One. It fell to Chicago -1.5 right away. The public doesn't bet the openers. The public doesn't even know when games open! That means it was sharp money that stepped in, figuring +2 was the best they'd see.
*I don't want to suggest that Miami is getting 100% support from sharps. There are some guys out there who like Chicago because of what happened in the regular season meetings…or because they think LeBron is going to choke under pressure…or because they like fading the public. This was most clear in early moneyline betting. Miami opened around -190 or -200 to win the series depending on the exact prop you were looking at and the time of evening Thursday. Sharps who think Miami is the better team didn't want to step in at such a high price, particularly with Chicago owning home court for the series. Chicago money hit the board right away, driving the line down to about -170 for the Heat in the series as we go to press.
How's that for confusing? Sharps hit Miami +2, and Chicago (+) for the series on the openers! It was different sets of sharps. My take is that more sharps think Miami is the better team. It's just not unanimous".Comment -
Common sense would say Chicago in 6, maybe even 7.
But the Heat are so unpredictable. They might take this in 5 if they keep playing the way they have been doing lately.
Im staying of the series for now.Comment -
lets go heat. you burn you winComment -
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LTA i didnt mean to challenge you guy. I guess I just didnt like the "superior" reference.
I'm not disputing you have value @+165 with home court and I expect it to be a close series.
As to our argument, I'll give you the bench, 10 deep is impressive.
In my opinion coaching\home court will not decide this series. I guess that's why I cannot concede to Chicago having a "superior" advantage in either categoryComment -
WOW youve really never seen the Bulls play. Our guy Asik off the bench was a handful for Dwight Howard every time we played them. Let alone against the bums they have in Miami. Unless you mean that great 6'8" center you start in Anthony or the Big Z who is absolute garbage. Who else can play center for the Heat....oh yea NOBODY. Deng is taller than your starting center and people dont even mention how good he is. Got snubbed for all defense and will avg more than Bosh in this series thats for sure. No shot at the rim for the Heat was contested against Boston and Boston cant rebound. Bulls best rebounding team in the league and will have a LEGIT shot blocker at the rim at all times. That stiff you refer to Asik will have many of them Im sure.Comment -
Bosh and Boozer is a wash except for the fact Bosh is weak Booz actually has muscle and uses it on the glass. They have same numbers in the post season with Bosh avg 3 more points at best while Booz has been battling through turf toe which sounds to be better. Taj will shut down Bosh, theres a reason he went 1-18 in Chicago. Noah will probably start on him which means NO BOSH in this series. Booz strong enough and big enough to hold the weak centers for the heat cuz neither of them are offensive and the starter is 6'8 probably shorter than Booz. Anyone who is "all in" on the Heat doesnt know basketball and probably still had the Lakers and Spurs after two games.Comment -
The best part will be how so many will come in here and make stupid comments after the heat most likely lose game 1. Bulls are so shit its not even funny. They were life and death to win the first two rounds. People talk too much about the reg season but its usually the reverse in the playoffs.
Heat in 6.
Absolutely - the giveaway was at the end of the very first game when you'd have thought they had won the championship from the super-stressed overreaction...champions would have looked much cooler.
I ran my personal numbers and think the Bulls only win this series 20% of the time, so anything better than a price of -400 for the Heat represents value IMHO.
Clearest bet of the NBA season therefore is the Heat to take this series
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Miami will crush the bulls. Bulls have no bigs!!!!! It's as simple as that.Comment -
Bulls can absolutely win the series.[quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
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[quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]Comment -
Can you please provide some reasons other than "you ran some numbers?" I see no value in a play on the heat in this series where its a 50/50 proposition and the bulls have home court. I still have yet to hear a coherent explanation of how taking the heat at -190 is a good bet. Thanks.Absolutely - the giveaway was at the end of the very first game when you'd have thought they had won the championship from the super-stressed overreaction...champions would have looked much cooler.
I ran my personal numbers and think the Bulls only win this series 20% of the time, so anything better than a price of -400 for the Heat represents value IMHO.
Clearest bet of the NBA season therefore is the Heat to take this seriesComment -
Heat in 6. Heat win game 1 and bulls win the next game. Heat take care home court bulls win the next game. heat finish them in 6Comment -
Scared money don't make money
182-120-6 (60.26%) Final Total NBA Record over 308 plays
37-20-1 (65%) Record for the 2010 NBA PLAYOFFSComment -
Check, check, and check....theres a couple things that the Heat have the advantage on. Transition..if they can cause turnovers or rebound well to leak out and get easy buckets they are trouble. The ability to get to the free throw line... Most will think when I say that Im bitching or making an excuse in advance but it is very true and kinda scary. The "big 3" which is the big 2 and a quarter, got to the line probably between 35 and 40 times a game in the Cs series. Could be lil off thats off the top of my head but honestly if the Heat are getting to the line (which all yal know they those two throw their arms up on EVERY drive regardless) it will be a big advantage. It can change momentum get guys in foul trouble obviously easy points, and create trouble for under bets. However if they call this series tight Derrick can and will get to the line 15 to 20 times himself...its been done many times. I honestly dont see any other clear cut advantage. Yea those two are very good but the Bulls kinda know that too so we'll see.Comment -
No, I've never seen them. I mean, they've only been on TV a ton of times this season and played 11 nationally televised playoff games. But according to you, they're some mystery that sports bettors have never seen. You are a classic homer and like all homers, you are in for a brutal drubbing. Separate your betting from your heart. You've hardly said a reasonable thing about the Bulls or this series. And yes, ASHIT is a terrible player. A big body, yes, but totally lost half the time, and terrible footwork with terrible hands.Comment -
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Well, Goat Milk agrees, apparently.[quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
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[quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]Comment -
Make sure you quote anything Ive said that has been so unreasonable after this series...youll have alot of work to do right..Comment -
Why does it seem like everyone on the Heat knows absolutely nothing about the Bulls? Seriously, you got heat fans saying Asik is shit (when he's a great defender, good rebounder and moves very quickly for a big) and you got heat fans saying the Bulls have no bigs at all (when we've got 3 very capable centers)
the more these Heat fans talk, the more you realize that they're morons who don't know half a chunk of crap about anything.Comment -
It seems that way because you've got blind homerism and can't think the least bit realistically about the Bulls. I'm not a Heat fan and have no bet on this series. However, ASHIT is a total stiff. It's more than a bit ridiculous for you to call him a "great" defender and rebounder. If that was true, he wouldn't be kept on the bench as much as he is. The Bulls backers seem equally likely to be uninformed as Heat backers to me.Comment -
Yeah...I've seen every Bulls game this season, and I know a lot about my team, and I'm telling you right now...Asik is a great young rookie and a great young prospect, his defense is very good. The only reason he comes off the bench is because he's a rookie and Noah is better than him.
if someone on my team is shit, I admit it. CJ Watson is shit. Asik, not shit. I can be reasonable and unbiased too, but you're just wrong here. Most teams would love to have Asik, which is why most teams we talked to asked for him at the trade deadline. Only we wouldn't trade him.
Asik is the Turkish Hammer, he's great for a backup center. Anybody who calls him shit knows nothing.Comment
