Obama Releasing Birth Certificate Right Now

[Bluehorseshoe]

Retard trust fund baby that steals by declaring bankruptcy....

5 Times!!!

[BiffTFinancial]

They didn't wait. They were demanding it in 2008.

from post #110: he showed the short-form long ago. Hawaii apparently doesn't normally give out the long form, and Obama and his lawyer got them to release it. and now that he has, the people who hated him from the outset still will doubt the validity of the document and still will hate him. that's fine, but how much time and effort is he supposed to spend placating people who will hate him regardless?

who cares when they asked? it's still a moronic issue.

[MUHerd37]

from post #110: he showed the short-form long ago. Hawaii apparently doesn't normally give out the long form, and Obama and his lawyer got them to release it. and now that he has, the people who hated him from the outset still will doubt the validity of the document and still will hate him. that's fine, but how much time and effort is he supposed to spend placating people who will hate him regardless? who cares when they asked? it's still a moronic issue.

I was simply responding to BettingWizard who asked why it was being questioned in 2008. I was just showing him that it was being questioned years ago.

[crustyme]

i could google aliens & subprime and get lots of hits too, what's your point?

none of what you said are based on FACTS, just opinions and innuendos.

fact: phil gramm, a republican, was instrumental in passing several legislations de-regulating banking, allowing them to take greater risk in subprime lending.

fact: bush passed the 'american dream downpayment act of 2003' which gave downpayments to the poor with bad credit to buy homes they could not afford.

fact: bush removed the anti-lending predatory laws to help his largest donor who owed the largest surprime lending business in the us.

fact: majority of the subprime loans were from the private sector not fannie mae.

[philswin]

Bs article. The article keeps using terms like "originate". Yep that's true F and F did not originate these loans, however they purchased them from the originators. F and F was bound by the regulations set forth by HUD. The originators knew they could sell these loans off to the GSE 's in a heartbeat. Because the requirements were low. The republicans tried on three ocassions to have these standards raised, but were blocked by the donkeys. They bought votes thru HUD, its pretty simple.

Good pickup it is amazing how many people have no clue what Freddie or Fannie really does or how they work, but have these strong opinions. I would say 80% of politicians have no idea how Freddie or Fannie operate.

[BiffTFinancial]

I was simply responding to BettingWizard who asked why it was being questioned in 2008. I was just showing him that it was being questioned years ago.

gotcha. honestly, he never should have disclosed it. legit GOP candidates already distanced themselves from the issue.

[falconticket]

I need to see Michelle's and the two kids certificates. Plus that poodles akc registration before I put this baby to rest.

[BiffTFinancial]

Good pickup it is amazing how many people have no clue what Freddie or Fannie really does or how they work, but have these strong opinions. I would say 80% of politicians have no idea how Freddie or Fannie operate.

that's true of almost any issue. lot of opinion, but very little thinking. usually, the red flags are a talking point from some cable news source and mostly fictional and/or not supportable/provable with facts (e.g., death panels, federal funding of abortion, if you oppose X it's because you're racist, ties to lobbyists).

[philswin]

i could google aliens & subprime and get lots of hits too, what's your point?

none of what you said are based on FACTS, just opinions and innuendos.

fact: phil gramm, a republican, was instrumental in passing several legislations de-regulating banking, allowing them to take greater risk in subprime lending.

fact: bush passed the 'american dream downpayment act of 2003' which gave downpayments to the poor with bad credit to buy homes they could not afford.

fact: bush removed the anti-lending predatory laws to help his largest donor who owed the largest surprime lending business in the us.

fact: majority of the subprime loans were from the private sector not fannie mae.

First of all show me where I disputed these items you still cannot get over I blame both Democrats and Republicans believe it or not people can do that

Another fact you have no idea how Freddie and Fannie works and cannot explain anyone of the items in your post in detail.

Andrew Cuomo was appointed by Clinton to head HUD (which regulated Freddie and Fannie) and did increase the percentage of loans that Fannie and Freddie need to make to lower income familys and did pass increase the percentage of loans required in inner cities, and the very low income housing he increased to 31%. Arbitrary percentages like this force lenders to change there standards. Read a little bit on these quotas he created and enforced.

Read a little bit about Fannie Maes trillion dollar commitment to serve underserved borrowers.

You seem to be good at googling articles. According to you Bush and Graham were solely responsible. So Cuomo, Clinton, Frank, Raines, Maxine Waters (Another name ou can google) had nothing to do with Supprime Lending.

[Full Time Hobo]

The fact Obama didn't produce his birth certificate until this point of his presidency is even more ridiculous isn't it?

Is it expected of everyone else to produce their birth certificate? Someone questions it, he shows some proof. Its not good enough for some people so now 2 years later its going to make a difference? That law was imposed towards the founding of this country... to me it seems irrelevant honestly. We should appoint someone who we think should lead us to prosperity. Not some dumb fuk that's eligible for candidacy simply because of his age, how much money he has, and his party affiliation. People have lost all sense of where this country should be heading.

You idiots also don't realize Trump is just doing all of this for publicity... He is still on TV you know

[philswin]

The birth certificate is a non-issue way bigger issues to deal with in this country. If our politicians would spend more time dealing with economy, jobs, deficit, immigration, fair tax - less time arguing over birth certificate, online gambling, gay marriage, abortion etc.

[falconticket]

from post #110: he showed the short-form long ago. Hawaii apparently doesn't normally give out the long form, and Obama and his lawyer got them to release it. and now that he has, the people who hated him from the outset still will doubt the validity of the document and still will hate him. that's fine, but how much time and effort is he supposed to spend placating people who will hate him regardless? who cares when they asked? it's still a moronic issue.

You cant honestly believe this can you? Potus can have that document in his hand in a matter of minutes for a plethora of reasons. Hell he could have it forwarded to him as a matter of national security in minutes. Ie: he cant effectively lead because of birther distractions= matter of national security. He didn't need a fukin waiver bs shit Ive ever heard.

[crustyme]

Bs article. The article keeps using terms like "originate". Yep that's true F and F did not originate these loans, however they purchased them from the originators. F and F was bound by the regulations set forth by HUD. The originators knew they could sell these loans off to the GSE 's in a heartbeat. Because the requirements were low. The republicans tried on three ocassions to have these standards raised, but were blocked by the donkeys. They bought votes thru HUD, its pretty simple.

gse backed mortagage securities maintained their value throughout the crisis.... and did not contribute to the financial firms losses which was the center of the meltdown.

more proof that you neocons are trying to make them in to a scapegoat while deflecting the true culprits: phil gramm & bush.

again, this had to do with phil gramm's de-regulations, bush's housing welfare policies and the explosion of predatory subprime lenders (thanks to bush removing the anti-predatory lending laws) which shot up 300% under bush.

[THE HITMAN]

Am def not an Obama fan and never really doubted where he was born. But, he made a circus out of the situation by being defiant about it. I think he created the sideshow, not Trump.

[SpeedPro]

Why in the world would anyone think that a man could make it all the way to the US presidency without meeting the requirements. That's the first thing they check!

[crustyme]

First of all show me where I disputed these items you still cannot get over I blame both Democrats and Republicans believe it or not people can do that

Another fact you have no idea how Freddie and Fannie works and cannot explain anyone of the items in your post in detail.

Andrew Cuomo was appointed by Clinton to head HUD (which regulated Freddie and Fannie) and did increase the percentage of loans that Fannie and Freddie need to make to lower income familys and did pass increase the percentage of loans required in inner cities, and the very low income housing he increased to 31%. Arbitrary percentages like this force lenders to change there standards. Read a little bit on these quotas he created and enforced.

Read a little bit about Fannie Maes trillion dollar commitment to serve underserved borrowers.

You seem to be good at googling articles. According to you Bush and Graham were solely responsible. So Cuomo, Clinton, Frank, Raines, Maxine Waters (Another name ou can google) had nothing to do with Supprime Lending.

hud increased low income family loans to 52% in 2005, was that cuomo's fault too?

between 2002-2006, subprime market increased 300%. was that cuomo's fault too?

fact: gse mortgage securities did not lose its value during the crisis and contributed little to the meltdown.

so all you're doing is deflecting blame by using fannie mae & cuomo as scapegoats and deflecting blame to the real culprits: phil gramm & bush.

[philswin]

What do you know about GSE backed securities did you google it. Do you know Fannie and Freddie issue them backed by mortgages. Do you know what happens when the loans go bad in those securities??? Do you know what a guarantee fee is? Freddie and Fannie guarantee payment of Mortgage backed securities by charging the lender a 1/4% guarantee fee, when the loans go bad Freddie and Fannie pays the security holder and when Freddie and Fannie go bad they are bailed out by the governemnt with taxpayer money.

[falconticket]

They (the GSE, fannie and freddie) did not want to loan to subprime, but came close with there "low Doc" loans, and "near prime" loans. However they purchased packaged "sub prime loans" as securities. That was enough to meet the requirements for "low income housing". Those loan packages indeed were included in the writedown. So I'm not sure what you mean by "maintained their values" A lot of those securities were sold to Wells Fargo for 5-10% of their original values. The taxpayers ate billions of dollars. Mortgage companies wrote the loans sub-prime, packaged and sold to the gse's. Mortgage broker make lots of money, GSE excecutive make lot of money. Taxpayer eat lot of money.

[ByeShea]

gse backed mortagage securities maintained their value throughout the crisis.... and did not contribute to the financial firms losses which was the center of the meltdown.

more proof that you neocons are trying to make them in to a scapegoat while deflecting the true culprits: phil gramm & bush.

again, this had to do with phil gramm's de-regulations, bush's housing welfare policies and the explosion of predatory subprime lenders (thanks to bush removing the anti-predatory lending laws) which shot up 300% under bush.

Geez. In 2003 Bush (worst president ever!) tried to hold Fannie & Freddie to some lending standards and your fa\*\*ot hero Barney Frank attacked him for being an opponent of affordable housing. So while the gravy train was on it was racist/greedy of Bush to try and reel in the "predatory lenders"?

By the way, the Obama Justice Department has pretty much choked the offshore gaming industry to death for US customers - so you got some set picking this place to wave your creepy political flag.

[jarvol]

i could google aliens & subprime and get lots of hits too, what's your point?

none of what you said are based on FACTS, just opinions and innuendos.

fact: phil gramm, a republican, was instrumental in passing several legislations de-regulating banking, allowing them to take greater risk in subprime lending.

fact: bush passed the 'american dream downpayment act of 2003' which gave downpayments to the poor with bad credit to buy homes they could not afford.

fact: bush removed the anti-lending predatory laws to help his largest donor who owed the largest surprime lending business in the us.

fact: majority of the subprime loans were from the private sector not fannie mae.

You know you have a partisan agenda when you blame some poor legislation on a Republican Congress instead of a Democratic President while in the same post you blame other poor legislation on a Republican President instead of a Democratic Congress.

[falconticket]

gse backed mortagage securities maintained their value throughout the crisis.... and did not contribute to the financial firms losses which was the center of the meltdown. more proof that you neocons are trying to make them in to a scapegoat while deflecting the true culprits: phil gramm & bush. again, this had to do with phil gramm's de-regulations, bush's housing welfare policies and the explosion of predatory subprime lenders (thanks to bush removing the anti-predatory lending laws) which shot up 300% under bush.

Of course the GSE securities maintained there values since their guaranteed by the taxpayers. That has nothing to do with it. That's like saying the US is in fine shape since our savings bonds are still good.

[crustyme]

so barney frank held a gun to bush's head and made him sign the 'american dream downpayment act of 2003' to give homes to the poor? lol

obama shut down offshore gaming? how about you read up on -UIGEA- the law passed in 2006 that made internet gambling unlawful, which was authored by republicans and snuck through by republicans attached to a completely unrelated safe port act.

[Chuck Sims]

This turd Obama has milked this birth certificate story dry. He should have released it 3 years ago.

[BiffTFinancial]

You cant honestly believe this can you? Potus can have that document in his hand in a matter of minutes for a plethora of reasons. Hell he could have it forwarded to him as a matter of national security in minutes. Ie: he cant effectively lead because of birther distractions= matter of national security. He didn't need a fukin waiver bs shit Ive ever heard.

i don't think that it was hard for him to get. i think that he presented what Hawaii normally provides, and when that wasn't good enough, his initial response was to essentially say 'fk off,' i'm not undertaking any additional effort, as nothing will satisfy you anyway (e.g., now Trump wants to see his grades). then carnival barker Trump makes it into an issue to get pub for his tv show, the press runs it non-stop, Obama gets annoyed that he's asked questions about the birther thing at press conferences to discuss real issues like debt reduction, so he discloses it. i would've preferred that he said "i'm not giving it to you people because you're morons, and by continuing to make it an issue, you'll help me get re-lected by turning off independents," but he's President and has to behave with more decorum.

the idea that he would demand it as a matter of national security because the issue's distracting him is a real laugh. that would get him immediately fileted by people like you who sarcastically call him King and His Majesty (in addition to the never-ending hilarity of tritisms like Obummer, Osama, Hussein, Omama). he should just accept that 30% of the country hates him and move on. he took a job where he has to lead everyone, including the ones who automatically hate him. man would i hate that job.

[jarvol]

so barney frank held a gun to bush's head and made him sign the 'american dream downpayment act of 2003' to give homes to the poor?

Phil Gramm held a gun to Clinton's head and made him repeal Glass-Steagall???

Do you know the meaning of the word hypocrisy?

[philswin]

so barney frank held a gun to bush's head and made him sign the 'american dream downpayment act of 2003' to give homes to the poor? lol

obama shut down offshore gaming? how about you read up on -UIGEA- the law passed in 2006 that made internet gambling unlawful, which was authored by republicans and snuck through by republicans attached to a completely unrelated safe port act.

So you posted something you had no idea what you were talking about and are changing the subject. I am not a Republican - Always an Independant. Political parties are the worst thing going in Government they create people like you who can only look at a subject from 1 point of view. I despise laws and enforcement of laws against online gambling. Bush was to blame for the Subprime crisis, as was Clinton, as was Frank, as was Cuomo, as was Cisneros, as was Raines, so were the housing Agencies like ACORN, etc etc etc. Get it?

[BiffTFinancial]

Geez. In 2003 Bush (worst president ever!) tried to hold Fannie & Freddie to some lending standards and your fa\*\*ot hero Barney Frank attacked him for being an opponent of affordable housing. So while the gravy train was on it was racist/greedy of Bush to try and reel in the "predatory lenders"?

By the way, the Obama Justice Department has pretty much choked the offshore gaming industry to death for US customers - so you got some set picking this place to wave your creepy political flag.

that's some revisionist history about UIGEA. that was a 100% GOP effort in 2006. and you may hate Barnie Frank, but he's been one of UIGEA's biggest opponents and has even introduced legislation to repeal it, but couldn't get it by Republican Congress. when the Obama DOJ doesn't actively enforce laws (e.g., that retarded Defense of Marriage Act), they catch flak from the GOP. see, no one's 100% evil, and no one's 100% good. at least in politics, they all suck.

[falconticket]

so barney frank held a gun to bush's head and made him sign the 'american dream downpayment act of 2003' to give homes to the poor? lol obama shut down offshore gaming? how about you read up on -UIGEA- the law passed in 2006 that made internet gambling unlawful, which was authored by republicans and snuck through by republicans attached to a completely unrelated safe port act.

The dream down payment act gave up to $10,000 dollars for down payment assistance to first time home buyers. It did not give away homes to poor people. You may be thinking of Habitat for Humanity. It also had nothing to do with the relaxed credit scores and down payment requirements of the banks. All that can be attributed to HUD and that stupidass CRA act. Your facts are just factually false.

[falconticket]

i don't think that it was hard for him to get. i think that he presented what Hawaii normally provides, and when that wasn't good enough, his initial response was to essentially say 'fk off,' i'm not undertaking any additional effort, as nothing will satisfy you anyway (e.g., now Trump wants to see his grades). then carnival barker Trump makes it into an issue to get pub for his tv show, the press runs it non-stop, Obama gets annoyed that he's asked questions about the birther thing at press conferences to discuss real issues like debt reduction, so he discloses it. i would've preferred that he said "i'm not giving it to you people because you're morons, and by continuing to make it an issue, you'll help me get re-lected by turning off independents," but he's President and has to behave with more decorum.

the idea that he would demand it as a matter of national security because the issue's distracting him is a real laugh. that would get him immediately fileted by people like you who sarcastically call him King and His Majesty (in addition to the never-ending hilarity of tritisms like Obummer, Osama, Hussein, Omama). he should just accept that 30% of the country hates him and move on. he took a job where he has to lead everyone, including the ones who automatically hate him. man would i hate that job.

Do you have a source I can look at on this idea that he needed a lawyer and a waiver to obtain his own certificate. In my state you get it for $5 fee. I had to get one years ago to go to college. I don't remember anything special needing to be done. Basically clerical. Im pretty sure if I were the prez they might even waive the fee. Is this a real story or something you just thought up?

[philswin]

that's some revisionist history about UIGEA. that was a 100% GOP effort in 2006. and you may hate Barnie Frank, but he's been one of UIGEA's biggest opponents and has even introduced legislation to repeal it, but couldn't get it by Republican Congress. when the Obama DOJ doesn't actively enforce laws (e.g., that retarded Defense of Marriage Act), they catch flak from the GOP. see, no one's 100% evil, and no one's 100% good. at least in politics, they all suck.

If Barney Frank is even half as successful at repealing UIGEA as he was at putting poor people in Homes. We will get this damn thing repealed. Get it done Barney

[crustyme]

So you posted something you had no idea what you were talking about and are changing the subject. I am not a Republican - Always an Independant. Political parties are the worst thing going in Government they create people like you who can only look at a subject from 1 point of view. I despise laws and enforcement of laws against online gambling. Bush was to blame for the Subprime crisis, as was Clinton, as was Frank, as was Cuomo, as was Cisneros, as was Raines, so were the housing Agencies like ACORN, etc etc etc. Get it?

actually, i was responding to someone else's ridiculous claims first, not changing the subject.

it's obvious no matter how much FACTS i post to show how fannie mae wasn't responsible, you keep toeing the neocon line. funny how all you self proclaimed "independents" always spew the same neocon lies as they do.

gse had nothing to do with this meltdown. it had everything to do with greedy lenders loaning money to borrowers who couldn't afford their homes. with phil gramm repealing banking regulations to stop such reckless lending and bush signing in to law welfare housing laws, the real estate market was doomed to failure, with or without gse.

in fact, in 2004, bush & sec relaxed rules allowing investment banks to increase the level of debt they were taking on, fueling the growth in subprime mortgage securities.

the top 5 us investment reported over $4 trillion in subprime debt for 2007.

clearly, gse was the least of the problems. this was all due to bush's policies.

[BiffTFinancial]

Do you have a source I can look at on this idea that he needed a lawyer and a waiver to obtain his own certificate. In my state you get it for $5 fee. I had to get one years ago to go to college. I don't remember anything special needing to be done. Basically clerical. Im pretty sure if I were the prez they might even waive the fee. Is this a real story or something you just thought up?

i'm not just thinking it up or throwing out shaking information. you'll notice that i largely stayed out of the subprime discussion because i don't know a lot of specifics there. i've heard from multiple credible sources that Hawaii's normal process (which of course may be different from your state's or mine) is to release short form, that long form is a special request. not a particularly difficult request, surely clerical, but honestly, about the 1,000th thing on a list of what a President should think about during the average day. but no, i do not have the section of the Hawaii Revised Statutes or the particular administrative agency's procedures or whatever would dictate this. i've taken that explanation at face value because i've heard it repeatedly, and honestly, i can't see wasting five minutes researching it. i just always figured that it was a convenient excuse and that the birther thing was working to the Democrats' advantage for a long time so they were happy to leave it as-is.

[crustyme]

The dream down payment act gave up to $10,000 dollars for down payment assistance to first time home buyers. It did not give away homes to poor people. You may be thinking of Habitat for Humanity. It also had nothing to do with the relaxed credit scores and down payment requirements of the banks. All that can be attributed to HUD and that stupidass CRA act. Your facts are just factually false.

how do you figure?

the biggest hurdle to home ownership for the poor is scrapping together a downpayment. bush removed that hurdle. then the subprime lenders swooped in and approved them without as much as proof that they could afford it.

recipe for disaster, thanks to bush.

[BiffTFinancial]

If Barney Frank is even half as successful at repealing UIGEA as he was at putting poor people in Homes. We will get this damn thing repealed. Get it done Barney

his efforts to repeal UIGEA are one of the reasons that i like Barnie Frank. he definitely has flaws, but i've heard him speak passionately about how much he hates UIGEA. he had my support after that (not that it matters since i don't live in Mass).

[falconticket]

People who use terms like neocon are typically not intelligent enough to see thru the forest if you know what I mean.