POLL-What will the POKERSTARS/FULLTILT closings have on your offshore SPORTSBETTING?

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  • jeffksu
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 10-07-09
    • 604

    #71
    Just going to suspend exposure for awhile and let things simmer...you know simmering always makes things better...BODOG was swamped today, just got off the phone making sure my withdraw is safe and the lady said they have never been busier...
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    • increasedodds
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 01-20-06
      • 819

      #72
      Last I checked, no poker sites or sportsbooks have been shut down unless the owners/ceo landed on US soil. I'm pretty certain the sportsbook people know not to visit at this point. At least the owners of the big ones know that.

      Further it would be great if these people take this to court. They wont when they get offered a fine instead of 20 years, but could the feds really find a jury of 12 to convict someone for hosting poker? All the money laundering shit goes out the window if the jury doesn't think online poker is illegal.
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      • Pokerjoe
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 04-17-09
        • 704

        #73
        There's so freaking much fail on this issue.

        Guys, this isn't about gambling. It's about money laundering and bank fraud. Anyone, in any business, doing these things is going to get busted. If the sportsbooks aren't doing this crap, they don't have to worry. And they aren't.

        I know most of you are panicking, but you know something? If the books really are in trouble, you're not going to get your money by asking for it now. And if they aren't, you'll still get it if you wait a few weeks. So grow a set and chill.
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        • Pokerjoe
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 04-17-09
          • 704

          #74
          Bodog's poker room apparently is up about 20% today over last Saturday. Like I said elsewhere, this disaster for the big 3 sites is probably going to help the rest of the sites, including the sportsbooks in the long run. And how can it hurt? One last time: this isn't about gambling. It's about bank fraud. And from the looks of the indictment, it's bad. These guys are in serious trouble, much more so than Neteller, whose illegality was a matter of opinion. Here, the illegality of the actions as stated is a matter of fact. There's no precedent needing to be established, no stretch of legal interpretation. If the facts are as alleged, the defendants are ******.

          Except for the run on the bank effect, this is not a sports book issue.
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          • Extra Innings
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 02-26-10
            • 15058

            #75
            Originally posted by Pokerjoe
            There's so freaking much fail on this issue.

            Guys, this isn't about gambling. It's about money laundering and bank fraud. Anyone, in any business, doing these things is going to get busted. If the sportsbooks aren't doing this crap, they don't have to worry. And they aren't.

            I know most of you are panicking, but you know something? If the books really are in trouble, you're not going to get your money by asking for it now. And if they aren't, you'll still get it if you wait a few weeks. So grow a set and chill.
            You're kidding me right?
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            • goblue12
              SBR MVP
              • 02-08-09
              • 1316

              #76
              Done off-shore at the end of the month.
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              • Extra Innings
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 02-26-10
                • 15058

                #77
                Originally posted by goblue12
                Done off-shore at the end of the month.
                Good Luck. Only time until they catch up with these offshore entities...they're doing the same thing as the three sites that went down....just a bit more discreetly.
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                • gdoom
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 09-25-10
                  • 606

                  #78
                  Absolutley nothing! These offshore sportsbooks are seperate from Pokerstars, Fulltilt, ect. These MAJOR Sportbooks are NOT owned and operated within the US, therefore, will NOT be affected. Also, the industry is too demanding and will never be damaged.
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                  • David
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 08-11-05
                    • 875

                    #79
                    No reason to panic with regards to sportsbooks.
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                    • mcbaseball10
                      SBR MVP
                      • 02-11-09
                      • 2866

                      #80
                      What effect will these transgressions have on the SBR poker room? Are my points still safe?
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                      • Cuse0323
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 12-09-09
                        • 30169

                        #81
                        Originally posted by gdoom
                        Absolutley nothing! These offshore sportsbooks are seperate from Pokerstars, Fulltilt, ect. These MAJOR Sportbooks are NOT owned and operated within the US, therefore, will NOT be affected. Also, the industry is too demanding and will never be damaged.
                        Oh to be so naive.
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                        • Santo
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-08-05
                          • 2957

                          #82
                          The only reason to be worried is if it signifies a step-up in enforcement actions. It seems though that this was a case of an informant falling into their hands and an easy/obvious prosecution.
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                          • OTL
                            SBR MVP
                            • 03-08-10
                            • 2433

                            #83
                            None whatsoever. And if it ever came to the government shutting down the offshore industry to North Americans, I'd just pack my bags and move over there...I hate this ******* place!
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                            • M.W.
                              SBR MVP
                              • 09-07-08
                              • 1668

                              #84
                              Regardless if you think the way the law was slipped in an unrelated bill should be illegal and it was created by selfish politicians, it is a law and is illegal for US banks to move money for gaming....
                              That's not accurate. It's illegal for US banks to move money for ILLEGAL gaming. In the Fifth Circuit (TX, MS, LA), at least, it is legal to bet with an offshore sportsbook.
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                              • StraitShooter
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 07-22-09
                                • 10464

                                #85
                                Whats so great about this poll?..Half the answers are stupid..More speculation from guys who dont have a fuken clue whats gonna happen

                                since when do the off shore sportsbooks advertise and operate on us soil like these clowns who went down did?

                                Last I checked David Carruthers got his ass busted because he was prancing around US airports

                                When was the last time Uncle Sam went to Gibraltar or Costa Rica to bust a sports book?

                                Off shore books aint fukin going nowhere....The only thing to be concerned about is whether or not funding and withdrawal methods will be hampered..and with the appetite the public has for sports gambling there will always be ways to fund

                                worry about picking your next winners..the books aint going no where

                                Ohhh fishead your my hero the sky is falling the sky is falling..None of you have a fuken clue what is gonna happen next because the magnitude of this situation is unprecedented


                                oohhhh bodog becky what do you think..ohhhh

                                thank god bill dozier chimed in now we feel so secure

                                nobody knows shit!
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                                • mtneer1212
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 06-22-08
                                  • 4993

                                  #86
                                  As long as the books limit their payments, and not get too rambunctious with advertising, they should be okay here, but I will still limit my liability more this year, which is always a good policy anyway.
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                                  • StraitShooter
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 07-22-09
                                    • 10464

                                    #87
                                    Originally posted by mtneer1212
                                    As long as the books limit their payments, and not get too rambunctious with advertising, they should be okay here, but I will still limit my liability more this year, which is always a good policy anyway.
                                    but of course..its called logic
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                                    • Cuse0323
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 12-09-09
                                      • 30169

                                      #88
                                      Originally posted by StraitShooter
                                      Whats so great about this poll?..Half the answers are stupid..More speculation from guys who dont have a fuken clue whats gonna happen

                                      since when do the off shore sportsbooks advertise and operate on us soil like these clowns who went down did?

                                      Last I checked David Carruthers got his ass busted because he was prancing around US airports

                                      When was the last time Uncle Sam went to Gibraltar or Costa Rica to bust a sports book?

                                      Off shore books aint fukin going nowhere....The only thing to be concerned about is whether or not funding and withdrawal methods will be hampered..and with the appetite the public has for sports gambling there will always be ways to fund

                                      worry about picking your next winners..the books aint going no where

                                      Ohhh fishead your my hero the sky is falling the sky is falling..None of you have a fuken clue what is gonna happen next because the magnitude of this situation is unprecedented


                                      oohhhh bodog becky what do you think..ohhhh

                                      thank god bill dozier chimed in now we feel so secure

                                      nobody knows shit!
                                      basically all that needs to be said.
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                                      • nyplayer33
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 09-27-06
                                        • 8303

                                        #89
                                        agree with Dozer, how dumb can you be to run a daily show both big sites and pretty much advertise these sites over and over...you bring exposure u get screwed...
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                                        • StraitShooter
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 07-22-09
                                          • 10464

                                          #90
                                          Yup..Remember when Calvin had to hide better than bin laden or there would be no bodog beckasoid
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                                          • konck
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 10-17-06
                                            • 12554

                                            #91
                                            Really dont play online poker or casino to much ...I dont feel like funding the crooks.
                                            I think this is a blessing for the USA to attack and make some money thru there own online poker
                                            and funds some things like socail security
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                                            • 20Four7
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 04-08-07
                                              • 6703

                                              #92
                                              It will not affect me.... pinny has banned us players so money there is safe. Party poker is the same deal. I don't play stars, and I've done nothing to reduce my exposure at FTP. I don't think this affects anything except US poker players.
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                                              • 20Four7
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 04-08-07
                                                • 6703

                                                #93
                                                Originally posted by Pokerjoe
                                                There's so freaking much fail on this issue.

                                                Guys, this isn't about gambling. It's about money laundering and bank fraud. Anyone, in any business, doing these things is going to get busted. If the sportsbooks aren't doing this crap, they don't have to worry. And they aren't.

                                                I know most of you are panicking, but you know something? If the books really are in trouble, you're not going to get your money by asking for it now. And if they aren't, you'll still get it if you wait a few weeks. So grow a set and chill.
                                                you aren't serious? In the US money laundering is moving money from america to your site. Accepting US players is moneylaundering. In the real world it isn't but the US is horrible at not accepting the rest of the world doesn't follow them.
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                                                • stogies
                                                  Restricted User
                                                  • 02-24-11
                                                  • 641

                                                  #94
                                                  zero for me. 2/3 of my betting is with my local have only kept about $2000 in 2 offshore books and keep my w/d and deposits to a minimum for last 4-5 years anyway.
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                                                  • shade3599
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 11-02-08
                                                    • 378

                                                    #95
                                                    With me getting my money stuck on UB, I wouldn't take a chance. I don't have a lot of money on bodog or sportsbook, I lose all the time, I would be taking my money off and running
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                                                    • no1here
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 03-23-09
                                                      • 5914

                                                      #96
                                                      Pokerjoe is right on, 20Four7 and Extra Innings don't get it.

                                                      Originally posted by Pokerjoe
                                                      There's so freaking much fail on this issue. Guys, this isn't about gambling. It's about money laundering and bank fraud. Anyone, in any business, doing these things is going to get busted. If the sportsbooks aren't doing this crap, they don't have to worry. And they aren't. I know most of you are panicking, but you know something? If the books really are in trouble, you're not going to get your money by asking for it now. And if they aren't, you'll still get it if you wait a few weeks. So grow a set and chill.
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                                                      • Spanks
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 04-12-07
                                                        • 2040

                                                        #97
                                                        man ...stupidity at its finest...the online sportsbooks use the same methods as the seized poker sites...banks and payment processors...currently some books have now suspended instant deposit payouts(betus) and have increased their waiting time for withdrawals(by all methods)...if you think yer money is safe and nothing will happen as a result of what has transpired ...you are a FOOL...
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                                                        • Tunes
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 02-28-07
                                                          • 234

                                                          #98
                                                          I love being told my idiots what's going to happen next. You guys didn't know the DOJ indictments were coming down, why do you know if there will repercussions for sportsbetting sites? Having said that, it's nice to find 2-3 coherent and intelligent posts in a 100-post thread (PokerJoe). At least some people have reasoned opinions.

                                                          The guys that would know anything are the guys that run this place and talk to houses for a living. Granted, they might not even know since this is a test case and the books may not even want to talk yet. But if ANYONE would know, it's them. So read what they post and wait.
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                                                          • Spanks
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 04-12-07
                                                            • 2040

                                                            #99
                                                            dont worry ...yer money is safe...wow...you are a moron...
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                                                            • Tunes
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 02-28-07
                                                              • 234

                                                              #100
                                                              You have no idea if the money's safe, not safe, if payouts will be delayed, etc. You have no clue. Indictments are handed down on a Friday at 1pm and on a Sunday you're telling everyone their money's gone. Don't wait for this week to see if anyone gets paid, just tell them that it's all gone to Hell.

                                                              And hit Command+B and see what happens.
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                                                              • Keelo
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 05-13-10
                                                                • 880

                                                                #101
                                                                It will be a couple of years before they mess with the books. First they have to see how smooth this poker ordeal goes. Closing down the big 3 then giving the online poker rights in USA to Caesar Entertainment or MGM. My guess those sites would offer both poker and sportsbook like Bodog. Then clean house of all the sportbooks and the degenerates would have no where else to go.
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                                                                • Spanks
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 04-12-07
                                                                  • 2040

                                                                  #102
                                                                  Originally posted by Tunes
                                                                  You have no idea if the money's safe, not safe, if payouts will be delayed, etc. You have no clue. Indictments are handed down on a Friday at 1pm and on a Sunday you're telling everyone their money's gone. Don't wait for this week to see if anyone gets paid, just tell them that it's all gone to Hell.

                                                                  And hit Command+B and see what happens.
                                                                  go deposit some more money square...its good times right now...
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                                                                  • Tunes
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 02-28-07
                                                                    • 234

                                                                    #103
                                                                    Again, offering nothing. Your story has become tedious.
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                                                                    • Kindred
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 09-09-08
                                                                      • 2901

                                                                      #104
                                                                      i'm not going to let the government dictate what I can do with MY money. Anyone who just bends over and takes it, pulling all money out of offshore sites is a pussy in my opinion

                                                                      FU DOJ
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                                                                      • StraitShooter
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 07-22-09
                                                                        • 10464

                                                                        #105
                                                                        Originally posted by Spanks
                                                                        man ...stupidity at its finest...the online sportsbooks use the same methods as the seized poker sites...banks and payment processors...currently some books have now suspended instant deposit payouts(betus) and have increased their waiting time for withdrawals(by all methods)...if you think yer money is safe and nothing will happen as a result of what has transpired ...you are a FOOL...
                                                                        Anyone who plays at betus is a fool and they no pay slow pay anyways..whats happened so different from friday @1 pm am offshore?..pls tell us what books are slow paying "as a result of this incident".....very few books process payouts on sunday and some dont on saturday anyways

                                                                        You may be right a week from now it could be worse

                                                                        I will play off shore and just keep a hundred here and there have my fun and cant get hurt...nothings changed for me but when it does I'll let you know
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