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No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.Comment -
Ray Lewis, don't see him in jail..i think it should be a whole different argument than race when it comes to rich high-profile athletesComment -
This is called data mining
You are selectively picking out data from a specific timeframe in order for it to fit your argument. How about data from 2000-2010?
Also as previously pointed comparing whole number results of 2 different communities is pointless when those 2 communities differ greatly in size, you need to look at percentages because 3300 murders out of 1,000,000 whites is greatly different than 2,500 murders out of 100,000 blacks.
looking at the statistics you posted above.
- 6% of murders committed amongst white people were whites murdering blacks.
- 15% of murders committed amongst black people were blacks murdering whites.
Now according to statistics from 2004 listed above who seems more racist? Whites or blacks? it appears to me that blacks murder whites at more than double the rate that whites murder blacks.Last edited by sharpcat; 03-07-11, 09:04 PM.Comment -
I wasn't data mining. I did a search and that came up. I just said its interesting. To me what it shows is that most murders are committed by the same race. Which is proved by The Madcaps FBI link.This is called data mining You are selectively picking out data from a specific timeframe in order for it to fit your argument. How about data from 2000-2010? Also as previously pointed comparing whole number results of 2 different communities is pointless when those 2 communities differ greatly in size, you need to look at percentages because 3300 murders out of 1,000,000 whites is greatly different than 2,500 murders out of 100,000 blacks. looking at the statistics you posted above. - 6% of murders committed amongst white people were whites murdering blacks. - 15% of murders committed amongst black people were blacks murdering whites. Now according to statistics from 2004 listed above who seems more racist? Whites or blacks?
Who is more racist? You can't tell by those stats. And who cares who is more racist? Is there one race that is not racist towards any other race?
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By the way I never said that it wasn't a higher percentage a blacks committing crimes.
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I am not racist but this subject has always been one that has aggravated me.
The whole "don't judge me by the color of my skin" but "pity me because I am black" is nonsense and if the black community would stop using racism as an excuse for everything racism would have been left in the past 100 years ago.
I am tired of being referred to as "white boy" and it being acceptable yet if I called someone "black boy" it is a hate crime.
At some point a community of people needs to take responsibility for their own actions and stop finding excuses to make their actions acceptable.
There are no all white colleges, there is no white entertainment television, there is no issues with 75% of players being black on a football field but there is a problem when 75% of the coaches on a football field are white????????
Racism is equal amongst both blacks and whites yet it is portrayed as if whites are the only ones who are racist, enough is enough I am tired of it if Jackson and Sharpton want to continue to fuel a race war in order to benefit themselves so be it but be warned that the white community is getting tired of it and it will eventually escalate into a race war. I am tired of being held responsible for what my great great grandfather did to your great great grandfather nobody alive right now has ever even met a person who was enslaved, I owe nobody nothing and nobody is owed anything the people involved are all dead.Comment -
never heard of ya pal.Comment -
Your way off on the white entertainment television. That needs to be dropped. Every time whites complain about blacks crying racism they bring up that.
Racism would not have ended 100 years ago. It has nothing to do with people talking about it. People are racist. And its not just blacks against whites and whites against blacks. Racism is alive and well. Just look around this forum and anyone can see that.
But lets not kid ourselves. Its not just whites that are racist and its not just blacks. Every race has people that are smart, stupid, ugly, good looking, racist and so on.
Nobody alive ever met someone that was a slave? Charlie Smith was said to be the last US slave to die. He died in 1979. Even is some died in the 50's there would still be family members that would be alive that knew them. It wasn't THAT long ago.
I don't know anyone that says pity me because I am black.
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To answer the question, very little do time unless it's just so obvious that time is given just to make it note worthy. The time spent in prison is usally a slight vacationComment -
Charlie Smith (1874/1879? – 1979) was a centenarian noted for claiming to be the oldest person in the United States, although his claim has since been debunked. Smith stated that he had been born in Liberia in 1842 and came to the United States as a slave. Later research indicated that he had been born circa 1874 or even later.[1] In particular, his marriage certificate, issued January 8, 1910, listed him as being 35 years old at the time.[2] He died in Bartow, Florida in 1979, at the age of 105 (according to researchers) or 137 (according to his own claim). Later subsequent research showed Mr. Smith listed in the 1900 census as 21, suggesting he could have been only 100 years old. It is possible that he was given the birth name Mitchell Watkins and adopted at an early age in the years right after the Civil War[3], with his "memories" embellishments from stories told by older ex-slaves but evidence of this is spotty and it is unlikely that such an adoption would be verifiable, with records quite spotty right after the Civil War.
Smith became a minor celebrity in Central Florida after news articles were published about his alleged longevity. He was invited to view the launch of Apollo 17 in 1972 from the VIP area at the Kennedy Space Center. He amused reporters with his skeptical comments, asserting that "th' ain't nobody goin' t' no moon. Me, you, or anybody else" and, after the launch, "I see they goin' somewhere, but that don't mean nothin'."[4]
Smith's highly embellished "life story" (which he took great delight in relating to interviewers, visitors, or basically anyone who would listen) was dramatized on film in 1978 in a 90-minute episode of the PBS television series "Visions" titled "Charlie Smith and the Fritter Tree." In the story, Smith comes to America in 1854 on the promise that there are "fritter trees" there. Tricked into slavery, he later escapes, joins the Union army and, after the war, heads out west where he chases Billy the Kid and rides with Jesse James.
Slavery officially ended in 1865 Charlie smith was proven to have not been born until 1874 and died in 1979 at the age of 105, had he have actually been alive during slavery and died in 1979 at the very least this this would have made him 115 years old in which case he would have only been born a slave and would not have actually experienced being a slave. Even if some one died in 1950 they would have had to have been over 85 years old at the time of their death just to have been a baby during slavery and would have to have been at least 100 to have actually experienced being a slave, 100 years old was very rare in 1950.
Slavery ended 146 years ago that is a very long time to hold a grudge, no other group of people continue to hold a grudge for their enslavement. The sicilian do not hold a grudge against africans for their enslavement, the jews do not hold a grudge against germans for the torture they endured, the irish do not hold a grudge against the welsh for their enslavement in the coal mines.Comment -
martha stewart went to jail
king mayan in 3...2...1...Comment -
man... only in movies...Comment -
The only privilege I got from being born white was the ability to realize that the world is full of assholes. When some guy is a dick to me I understand that it's just because the guy is a dick. When the same guy is a dick to a black person then it gets mistaken for racism. Most people aren't racist, but a lot of people are just assholes in general. It seems like the two get confused often.Comment -
Paris hilton went to jail.Comment -
Rich, white people go to jail all the time. Who do you think runs the joint?Comment -
omg I love this op
please move to ANY OTHER country on earth and see how they treat you;
* you will not get a job
* you will not get laid
* you cannot play the race card
* a mother fuking cab wont even pick you up, you fukin tool
go ahead move, but you wont, you never had it so good, so stfu u homoComment -
jeffrey epstein
super BILLIONAIRE just thrown in can
could you imagine if there was a black billionaire how he would play the race card to avoid jail, if epstein was black he would be out still banging 16 year olds
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Finally someone actually named a white guy that met my one exception (didnt go to jail for huge fraud in the business that gave him his wealth)
Theres actually another rich white guy arrested for this same thing, Andrew Luster.
In both cases the guys were railroaded by the system, Luster had actually had sex before and after with his alleged "victims" who were "raped" bc they were high as a kite whores but after being who it was debateable had the inability to say no, rather than come to police and say they were raped they were told by authorities that they were videotaped being "raped" and that they could sue Luster for a 100 mil a piece however if they said it was consensual they get nothing, the women agreed that theyd all been raped by their former lover and filed huge civil lawsuits. Luster somehow got a life without parole for having sex with women he was having consenual sex with multiple times before and after their alleged rapes (due to them being high).
Moral of the story make sure your gf, that you've banged a 100 times before and after is not high or drunk one night when you **** her...penalty life without parole.
Also two of the "victims" have been awarded 39 million total in civil lawsuits.Last edited by bettilimbroke999; 03-08-11, 03:55 AM.Comment -
There's a difference between racism and cultural prejudice. I've only seen one or two posters on here who are outright racists. Most are just culturally prejudiced, and there's nothing wrong with that---as we are all culturally prejudiced---it's only human. There's nothing wrong with homosexuals thinking southern Baptists are judgmental hypocrites; there's nothing wrong with southerners thinking people from New Jersey are obnoxious jerks; there's nothing wrong with people from Manhattan thinking people in Arkansas are backwards inbred hicks who can't read; there's nothing wrong with Americans thinking the French are pussies; there's nothing wrong American women thinking men with French accents are sexy, passionate lovers; there's nothing wrong with Americans thinking Canadians are wimps; and there's nothing wrong with Canadians thinking French Canadians are douchbags. The reason there's nothing wrong with it is because if there was, then we as a human race would stand no chance of living together with one another and accepting our differences with any sense of reality.
Cultural prejudice exists because cultures are different. And as long as cultures are different, then there will be prejudice. Blacks are not victims of discrimination because of their skin color, they are victims of discrimination because of their culture. There isn't one poster on this board who's not going to have sex with Halle Berry just because she's black, but they definitely might reject Felisha from Compton because of her culture.
Obama did not win the Presidency just because he's black, but Jesse Jackson never will because of his culture.
No one is going to deny Charlie Sheen a job because of his Hispanic background, but they might not hire him because they are afraid he will make an ass of himself in the headlines beating up some woman, because that is his culture.
It isn't about race, it's about culture. If you walk around talking and acting like a thug, people are going to think you are thug. If that's how you want to be perceived, then well, guess what, that's often how you're going to be perceived. There's such a thing as positive discrimination. Many companies these days are bending over backwards to hire racial minorities to improve their image within their communities. And as long as those minorities have demonstrated people skills, insight, and know how to conduct themselves, the company will trip over themselves trying to get them on payroll. If a white male goes up for a job with a black male, and they have the same experience, the black male these days has the advantage. Ask any white guy that's applied for job with a law firm in the last two years.
Blacks can and will be victims of discrimination, but it's not because they are black. It's because of how they act. And we are never going to get anywhere and improve race relations until the majority of Americans wake up and accept that. There will always be certain institutions (private social organizations, redneck businesses, country clubs, etc. ) that continue to maintain their straight up racist attitudes, but the discrimination and racism of these organizations is only felt by .0001% of black people. The day to day racism of the past has been discarded. (If it hadn't, neither Oprah, Obama, or Denzel would be where they are today) It's been replaced by a perception of culture. If you want to change the negative perceptions of who you are, then change your culture. Baptists could become more tolerant of homosexuals. Rednecks could try to improve their reading comprehension skills and diction. Hispanics could stop driving drunk so damned much and killing people. Blacks could stop acting like 8 year olds when they go to the movie theater. They could change these things. But when they don't it doesn't make us racists for judging them for it. It just makes us culturally prejudiced. And anyone that maintains they are above cultural prejudice is the biggest lying hypocrite scum walking the planet.No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.Comment -
Rich people just dont go to jail pretty much. If you have money you can fight your way out. The court system is rigged for the rich.Comment -
When blacks go to jail they call them criminals, when whites go to jail they call em employeesComment -
I beg to differ. It's precisely how it works. And that's why the victims of discrimination continue to be victims of discrimination. They should be the first ones going through their communities and self-policing negative behavior. If the blacks that were wrongful targets of discrimination got together and went through the projects and stood up to the crack dealers and chain snatchers, stomped down on the gang bangers, told the yougins to pull up their pants and wear some damn condoms, then maybe things in this country would change positively for the black man in the way he once envisioned. Because as long as successful blacks are viewed as punk sell-out bitches for the man by the unsuccessful blacks, then those blacks who carry themselves with the dress and attitude of the non-successful black are going to be discriminated against routinely as lazy ignorant criminals who have no respect for anybody.
Look, we all dislike one another for one reason or the other that has nothing to do with the color of our skin; but it just so happens that often those with the same color of skin tend to do the same things we dislike. People aren't stupid. When they see patterns in life they attribute characteristics to them.
There's a reason we think of Jews being stingy, (no offense Itchy if you're reading), Asians being good at math, and Germans as people who build good cars. People have personal experience to believe these things. And some dipshits want to tell us not to believe our own eyes. Because those people are pussies who don't want to face the reality of whatever negative character trait their background suggests they exhibit. See, there are some people in life who can't handle ever being told they might be wrong or on the un-hip end about something. And so to protect themselves from this type of criticism or possible painful self-awareness, they build up barriers of political correctness and psycho-babble bullshit so that no one can ever get that real with them. Because, like I said, they are pussies that can't handle the fact they might not be the hot shit they think they are. I tend to refer to these people as liberals. You can label them however you want.
The point is, if someone is being discriminated against in this day an age, chances are it has more to do with some cultural more than a racial hatred. Now those mores might be more frequent in certain races (Jews and blacks are well known by service industry people to be shitty tippers) but what pisses people off is the behavior (shitting tipping) not their race. Now after a while a pattern emerges about this negative behavior, and that is in turn what creates discrimination. Because if I'm a waiter, why am I going to bust my ass off for a table of 16 black people while only paying limited attention to my two tables of white people, when I'm probably going to make more money off the four white people than the 16 black people? Of course one runs the risk of alienating a potentially well tipping black customer, but as any long-serving waiter or bartender will tell you, such an occurrence is so rare it pays off in the long run. And so what happens?
What happens is that black people get shitty service in restaurants because so many black people over the years have tipped like shit for one reason or the other. And the only way service will get better for black people when they go out to eat is if they take it upon themselves to get their brothers and sisters to start tipping respectfully. In the meantime, when they do go out they should dress nice and purport themselves with a bit of class, and that way they might improve their chances of distinguishing themselves from the typical shitty tipper black patron and get some quality service.
This making any sense?
People get discriminated against for a reason. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it fair, but there's always a reason, and it's a completely natural thing and there's no avoiding it. The only way to combat discrimination is to take a fight against whatever negative behavior it is that has lead to that discrimination. Anything else is just a bunch of dumb PC bullshit designed to get us to forget about the real problem so as to excuse the trouble makers for the sake of us not having to stand up to them. Because, once again, the PC liberals are pussies afraid to stand up to anybody, including themselves.Last edited by The Madcap; 03-08-11, 03:26 PM.No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.Comment -
Basically what i am hearing, is that you are a proponent of stereotypes.Comment -
And what I'm hearing from you is that you're a self-righteous hypocrite who pretends he doesn't stereotype.
you're not listening. It's not so much that I'm a proponent of stereotypes, but rather, I'm a proponent of trusting one's own judgment as opposed to having a bunch of pencil pushing busy bodies tell you what reality is. I'm a proponent of understanding and appreciating the fact that people will naturally trust their own instincts, that such instincts are developed through personal experiences, and the only way to truly counteract negative perceptions based on instinctual responses is for those groups finding themselves perceived negatively to analyze their behavior and adjust accordingly.No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.Comment -
maybe they are smart enough not to commit jail worthy crimes? or just smart enough not to get caughtComment -
only madoff and abramoff, but since they stole the money it wasnt really theirs was it, which means they werent really rich.
bush chaney sure didnt do any time although if anyone ever deserved it those two did. they robbed the entire federal treasury,
AND took all equity from working people.Comment
