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  • slimpickins
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 08-12-10
    • 891

    #1
    Suspicious Banking Activites ; freaking out!!!
    Guys I am in a panic right now, spent part of the afternoon reading about banking laws and reporting.
    Hopefully someone can ease my concerns, as the more I look at my self I look like a money launderer.

    How does one constantly pay or collect from a local with cash without drawing attention from their bank?
    Let's say hypothetically:
    I play in cash only and often big sums. I am up more than down and have made cash deposits each time.
    I just read online some reporting laws I knew nothing about and compared the checklist to my local checking account and I would be definitely causing some red flags to go off.
    Never more than $10K at once but based on what I read today about "staggering", which I did not knowingly do the fact that frequent transactions where less than $10K makes me sound more suspicious.
    I was not aware of this issue and others should know and plan in advance.
    I did not and now worry I may get a knock on my door any day now.
    My local bank has to think I am a criminal the more I think about it.

    This has nothing to do with taxes I still have until April to figure that out but how would one find out if their bank has reported me to the authorities?
  • chilidog
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 04-05-09
    • 10305

    #2
    As long as you pay your taxes, you won't have any problems.

    And if you think about it, what exactly are you doing wrong anyway? Gambling? Nobody is interested in going after people that gamble. If anything, they would want to go after the person(s) booking the bets.
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    • big0mar
      SBR MVP
      • 01-09-09
      • 3374

      #3
      Gambling cash should never go into your bank account.
      [B][B]They key isn't getting rich quick. The key is getting rich slowly, and enjoying it.

      [/B][/B][SIZE=1][URL="http://forum.sbrforum.com/sbr-points/490161-points-available-loan.html#post4633361"][/URL][/SIZE]
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      • jjgold
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-20-05
        • 388179

        #4
        no issues Son

        Small potatoes
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        • Justin7
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 07-31-06
          • 8577

          #5
          I've never heard of staggering, but there is a federal crime called "structuring". If you make multiple deposits or withdrawals, which in total are more than 10k, but done separately for the purpose of avoiding a CTR, that could be charged as a pretty serious felony.
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          • 36mafia
            Restricted User
            • 11-08-09
            • 2389

            #6
            had a friend that was a bank teller

            cash deposits over $700 raise flags
            anything under is fine
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            • trixtrix
              Restricted User
              • 04-13-06
              • 1897

              #7
              you should probably report directly the fbi, do not pass go/ do not collect 200$
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              • opie1988
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 09-12-10
                • 23429

                #8
                Please. Get over yourself.
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                • iifold
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 04-25-10
                  • 11111

                  #9


                  the government can barely figure out how to get the money they know people owe them...

                  They aren't worried about you guy...
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                  • bubba
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-29-05
                    • 2432

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Justin7
                    I've never heard of staggering, but there is a federal crime called "structuring". If you make multiple deposits or withdrawals, which in total are more than 10k, but done separately for the purpose of avoiding a CTR, that could be charged as a pretty serious felony.
                    even if no other crime is commited? lets say i win 50k cash in atlantic city. declare it on my taxes and all. but i depsoit it into my bank 5k at a time because i think 10k would get me in trouble of some sort (stupidly thinking). this is a serious felony??
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                    • Dirty Sanchez
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 03-01-10
                      • 16031

                      #11
                      Good Luck....just remember to sleep on your back

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                      • JoeVig
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 01-11-08
                        • 772

                        #12
                        Use the Charlie Rangel defense - "Oh THAT Caribbean beach house. I forgot I even had that".

                        "Man, I forgot I wired $9,995 two days ago. What do you mean I can't wire another $9,700?"
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                        • pavyracer
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 04-12-07
                          • 82784

                          #13
                          I would advise you to visit your lawyer and consult in this matter instead of asking advice from degenerates at a gambling forum.
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                          • MarkDee
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 01-03-10
                            • 427

                            #14
                            Originally posted by big0mar
                            Gambling cash should never go into your bank account.

                            Bingo
                            I like to use gambling money for everyday stuff and leave my paychecks in the bank
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                            • iifold
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 04-25-10
                              • 11111

                              #15
                              Took money out: Loan
                              Put money back: Loan Paid Back

                              Why so many loans? : Alot of broke friends

                              No American Jury would ever convict...
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                              • Deuce
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 01-12-08
                                • 29843

                                #16
                                Originally posted by iifold
                                Took money out: Loan
                                Put money back: Loan Paid Back

                                Why so many loans? : Alot of broke friends

                                No American Jury would ever convict...
                                In order to successfully pull this off you must have proof of where it came from.
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                                • blackbeSSt
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 09-06-08
                                  • 9398

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by 36mafia
                                  had a friend that was a bank teller

                                  cash deposits over $700 raise flags
                                  anything under is fine
                                  thats a pretty shitty bank then. red flags for $700 cash

                                  and OP are you really winning $10k at a time to even be worrying about this?
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                                  • doublej95
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 01-26-10
                                    • 14094

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by bubba
                                    even if no other crime is commited? lets say i win 50k cash in atlantic city. declare it on my taxes and all. but i depsoit it into my bank 5k at a time because i think 10k would get me in trouble of some sort (stupidly thinking). this is a serious felony??
                                    if you declare it on your taxes it don't fricking matter how you deposit it in your bank. I have had bank wires of 45k and have had deposit's and withdrawls of 50k-65k from my bank account and no one ever came knocking on my door.
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                                    • blackbeSSt
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 09-06-08
                                      • 9398

                                      #19
                                      read all you want to know, and then some, here about CTR's
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                                      • Extra Innings
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 02-26-10
                                        • 15058

                                        #20


                                        Structuring, also known as smurfing in banking industry jargon, is the practice of executing financial transactions (such as the making of bank deposits) in a specific pattern calculated to avoid the creation of certain records and reports required by law, such as the United States's Bank Secrecy Act (BSA) and Internal Revenue Code section 6050I (relating to the requirement to file Form 8300)
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                                        • slimpickins
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 08-12-10
                                          • 891

                                          #21
                                          Yes structuring is the correct term
                                          probably have deposited 40k all cash large bills over 4 months
                                          stupid now that I think about it but at the time I had bills to pay and wasn't thinking anything got reported unless 10k at once

                                          lessen here is definitely to keep and spend cash only but even that is not that easy with a big amount

                                          I assume all will be ok if I declare winnngs on taxes but a) that sucks b) not sure he to fill out the paperwork, not like I was paid by a casino or sportsbook or even offshore website
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                                          • mmike032
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 09-11-08
                                            • 8905

                                            #22
                                            get a bigger matress and stick it under there.
                                            if you live in a house with a crawl space, cut out a small section of the floor preferrably under rugs, beds furniture... replace cut out section
                                            stash the cash in an airtight container buried under house
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                                            • slimpickins
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 08-12-10
                                              • 891

                                              #23
                                              I should add no pattern was involved no prior planning about the 10k thing was winning a few grand a week on average and going to the bank once a week or once every 2 weeks
                                              a couple of times to withdrawal 5k but most if the time depositing cash from $4k to $8k at a time
                                              I don't otherwise use this bank only setup to cash a once per year 10k bnus check from work so at least the bank knows me and assumes I have money
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                                              • samgurt
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 05-31-10
                                                • 2980

                                                #24
                                                even if they do investigate...they would obviously see that the money came from a sportsbook and you wouldnt hafta worry about money laundering...just taxes
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                                                • brxbmbers42
                                                  Restricted User
                                                  • 07-26-10
                                                  • 4312

                                                  #25
                                                  they are not worried about you. you are not even a pimple on their ass
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                                                  • blackbeSSt
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 09-06-08
                                                    • 9398

                                                    #26
                                                    but if you are putting more then $10k over a period of time they will do a CTR on you. if not then they can file a SAR within the bank and you won't know it. back office will start looking through you history of credits and debits. just a word to the wise coming from 7+ years banking experience
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                                                    • slimpickins
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 08-12-10
                                                      • 891

                                                      #27
                                                      Yeah that is what paniced me today no CTR has been filled out but I would be shocked if a SAR hasn't been
                                                      I didn't mention that since I was winning I took the wife to Europe last month and had 2000 us cash exchanged to euros as well which also was on the laundering checklist, lol
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                                                      • blackbeSSt
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 09-06-08
                                                        • 9398

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by slimpickins
                                                        Yeah that is what paniced me today no CTR has been filled out but I would be shocked if a SAR hasn't been
                                                        I didn't mention that since I was winning I took the wife to Europe last month and had 2000 us cash exchanged to euros as well which also was on the laundering checklist, lol
                                                        someone at that bank/cu isn't doing their job if you really are depo'ing that much and a CTR hasn't been filed. i highly doubt back office would let it slide. we even had to do it for businesses until they became exempt.
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                                                        • slimpickins
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 08-12-10
                                                          • 891

                                                          #29
                                                          I thought they had to notify me and ask source of funds to fill out a CTR they never have
                                                          always just accepted deposits no questions asked but they have all my info so who knows maybe they did fill them out as well
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                                                          • blackbeSSt
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 09-06-08
                                                            • 9398

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by slimpickins
                                                            I thought they had to notify me and ask source of funds to fill out a CTR they never have
                                                            always just accepted deposits no questions asked but they have all my info so who knows maybe they did fill them out as well
                                                            they do. check it out here

                                                            and its against the law if they don't. so something isn't adding up here
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                                                            • slimpickins
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 08-12-10
                                                              • 891

                                                              #31
                                                              Good that you for clairifying that point
                                                              from what I read about SAR report though is that I won't be told and they are worse
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                                                              • robmpink
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 01-09-07
                                                                • 13205

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by slimpickins
                                                                Yes structuring is the correct term
                                                                probably have deposited 40k all cash large bills over 4 months
                                                                stupid now that I think about it but at the time I had bills to pay and wasn't thinking anything got reported unless 10k at once

                                                                lessen here is definitely to keep and spend cash only but even that is not that easy with a big amount

                                                                I assume all will be ok if I declare winnngs on taxes but a) that sucks b) not sure he to fill out the paperwork, not like I was paid by a casino or sportsbook or even offshore website
                                                                I know time is running out, but if you claim it, maybe you have a network of friends who could assist you. I mean people collect losing lottery tickets, horse tickets, etc. If you have material proof of your losses, you could claim it up to your winnings. If you get desperate call stores and ask if they have losing tickets and you'll buy them. I could assure you it is possible some stores keep these losing tickets just for this reason.
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                                                                • HedgeHog
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 09-11-07
                                                                  • 10128

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Invest in a premium butt plug before being sent to the Big House. Looking forward to the movie release..." I know what you did last fall".
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                                                                  • Dirty Sanchez
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 03-01-10
                                                                    • 16031

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Let's be honest....this guy is going to the hole it's just a matter of time. We should be giving him tips on how to prepare to get his ass ripped in half by his cellmate

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                                                                    • slimpickins
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 08-12-10
                                                                      • 891

                                                                      #35
                                                                      That dude has no belly button!
                                                                      Seriously not worried about jail just big ass fines that would make gambling not worth it

                                                                      Sucks that you have an 80 percent chance of losing at this hobby and if by luck you end up in the 20 percent you have this crap to think about
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