Does anyone care about Horse Racing???

**csm506** · 11-13-10, 10:50 AM

Jersey am I to assume Meadowlands and freehold, Yonkers? you see the same 50 people there everyday and they are 65+ betting $2 to show on the 1/9 shot. on-line players add to the handle but when this large contingency of the elderly die off over the next 10 years nobody will be left unless drastic changes are made to draw the young.

**kickenchicken** · 11-13-10, 10:52 AM

i prolly care more for horse racing than nascar

**dante1** · 11-13-10, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by csm506

General we all lose at the ponies LOL

Not a laughing matter, some win in sports very few. Almost nobody beats the horses.

When I took action a long while back we also took the horses at the betting parlor. We supplied the TV's, the racing form, coffee and sandwiches. Players would usually stay for the entire card at Penn National when they did the simulcast. Don't even know if that is still happening. Very few winners, and when they did win it was usually a very small payout. Owner said if the racing form didn't come in for that day shut down the racing.That is because he was afraid of number players. Without the form people played numbers and that is when he could get hurt for the day.

My opinion on how you play the horses. Go to the track or off track and play 2,7,8 or 4,3,1 or any numbers you like and box them in the exacta and triple in every race. Take your tickets and go home. You will probably lose $60 or $80 or whatever but you might win a big one. Do the handicappin using the form and when you win you will get back 2.40.

You must lose in this game in the long run. Did not know one winner, do you?

jw · 11-13-10, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by wtf

racing is surviving and doing well in europe , especially the UK

and you can bet on anything there, anywhere, there is a book literally on every corner

there is no need to race EVERYDAY , race tracks in europe are open once a week, most once a month

i guess by natural attrition it will consolidate and thrive

Gambling in the Uk is part of daily life/society - it is not something that is frowned upon and hidden away like a nasty little secret ... this is the difference ... tell people that something is evil and breaks up families enough times ... and they start to believe it.

In answer to the question "Does anyone care" yup .. i do ... even though I play 95% UK horse racing nowadays ... Horse racing is the biggest gambling buzz you can get in my opinion ... and you can do it every few minutes .. all day and all night long ...

**k13** · 11-13-10, 11:01 AM

Never played, never watched, don't care.

And I bet on pretty much everything.

**in2thethickofit** · 11-13-10, 11:02 AM

boring...the paint is almost dry...brb

**csm506** · 11-13-10, 11:14 AM

Dante you are 100% on the money, I remember when I was a teen growing up in NYC in the 80's you had the local book, and most of the people I saw that looked like they were going to sit for a while were the older people with the racing form and were not going to th OTB and have the takeout a pinged upon them. Internet has made the way people wager on sports, even the local book has gone the way of the web

**csm506** · 11-13-10, 11:17 AM

jw you are right, here in the US it is looked on as immoral in many areas of the country, this has to do with religion. You will not find a track in NC, SC, GA, TN, MS, AL, known as the bible bet. Especially not in Utah Mormon country.

**dante1** · 11-13-10, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by csm506

Dante you are 100% on the money, I remember when I was a teen growing up in NYC in the 80's you had the local book, and most of the people I saw that looked like they were going to sit for a while were the older people with the racing form and were not going to th OTB and have the takeout a pinged upon them. Internet has made the way people wager on sports, even the local book has gone the way of the web

Yep, those days are just about 100% gone. The local book in the 70's and 80's made one ton of money on sports and horses and he usually had a few machines to steal from the real suckers. Slot and pin. The money was incredible, people actually wouldn't believe you if you told them. I saw desks with each drawer filled with money. That was 25 and 30 years ago, now those desks filled with money are the internet books and casinos.

**csm506** · 11-13-10, 11:47 AM

Dante, everything is run via the web, ask anyone on these forums, the older book guys who might be in his 50's or 60's are called agents and they pay a setup fee for an account and all bets are placed on the web, the only time you see your guy is to be paid or to pay what a world huh, this is what everyone is stating.

**dollarbill** · 11-13-10, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by csm506

OK you are on the money, as a former owner I was told by guys like Mike L in harness racing if you know who I am talking about that his horse who was the morning line fav at 8/5 was not going to trot and he broke at the start at 2/5 hmmm

Mike "the thief" LaChance. We all want to live but most of us don't won't to work! Those who say they do are lying........ You are 100% right about only a few are profiting from Horse Racing. And

I'll pick-up later after I go pay my taxes.....

**dante1** · 11-13-10, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by csm506

Dante, everything is run via the web, ask anyone on these forums, the older book guys who might be in his 50's or 60's are called agents and they pay a setup fee for an account and all bets are placed on the web, the only time you see your guy is to be paid or to pay what a world huh, this is what everyone is stating.

Right, a guy from Wilkes Barre, PA who did this out of his bar room was just arrested. It is a little dangerous.
I was told by a PA state trooper that making the bet isn't illegal, using the phone was. I imagine using the net is considered the same.

**Davydave** · 11-13-10, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by kickenchicken

i prolly care more for horse racing than nascar

Without a doubt, me too. But I do play horses much less than I used to in the past few years.

**dollarbill** · 11-13-10, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by dante1

Right, a guy from Wilkes Barre, PA who did this out of his bar room was just arrested. It is a little dangerous.
I was told by a PA state trooper that making the bet isn't illegal, using the phone was. I imagine using the net is considered the same.

Patte's fine was paid from one day/week/month of wagers and that is just from the "Dome" boys and their "Boss". You know who the Boss is or was right? He is still awaiting his sentencing

I have to go pay my Taxes.

FYI...

The earned income tax is a kind of income tax levied only on residents' earned income (such as wages, salaries, or other reimbursements for work). Unearned income, such as interest, dividends, pensions, and social security are exempt from the tax. Unlike the federal or state income taxes, the earned income tax allows no exemptions or standard deductions. A jurisdiction can collect earned income tax from non-residents who work in the jurisdication but do not pay an earned income tax in their "home" jurisdiction.
The maximum levy is 1 percent of earned income. If both the municipality and school district levy the earned income tax, both must share the 1 percent.

I'm reading this as if you pay a city tax which most do, then no-other City can tax your earnings since your taxed by my "Home Jurisdiction?

Was-U-Say

Look at your pay stub and go to Legal Assistance

**Sawyer** · 11-13-10, 01:22 PM

Horse racing is best..if you lay horses specially.

Majority of my profits are coming from Horse Racing.

**robmpink** · 11-13-10, 01:30 PM

I like it because you could have a small roll, hit a pick 4 for 1k, 2k, and get thing going.

I still don't know how tracks like Planridge (sic maybe) race. How do they make money?

**carparts1000** · 11-13-10, 01:59 PM

horse racing is a great sport. that said it extremely hard to come out ahead. its a shame because it is such a great sport to watch and be involved in.

**costyn** · 11-13-10, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Horse racing is best..if you lay horses specially.

Majority of my profits are coming from Horse Racing.

I guess you're trading before start of every race, indeed ?

**csm506** · 11-14-10, 12:02 AM

Awesome play man thank you very much

**sdtrader** · 11-14-10, 12:06 AM

I agree when I whenever I go to my local OTB everyone is 65-70 years old at a minimum

**dtp** · 11-14-10, 12:08 AM

horse racing is very addictive and fun as hell.

**Seattle Slew** · 11-14-10, 12:16 AM

Exactly! Very fun to handicap the races. But whatever you win, you usually give it back and then some. I used to play 12 months but now mostly April to October. You can get some terrific rebates at books for betting horses.

Originally posted by dtp

horse racing is very addictive and fun as hell.

**Seattle Slew** · 11-14-10, 12:18 AM

In this day and age, OTBs should be out of business. Imagine another business that takes 5 percent of your winnings on every bet.

Used to be acceptable when there were no options, but anyone can open a legal phone betting account in the US, watch the races online and not pay the OTB ripoff fee. I really can't believe they are still in business.

The old-timers should invest in a computer. The OTB fees would pay for it in 6 months for regular players.

Originally posted by sdtrader

I agree when I whenever I go to my local OTB everyone is 65-70 years old at a minimum

**csm506** · 11-14-10, 12:32 AM

OTB should shut there doors already move to on-line like everything else.

**joeyp1222** · 11-14-10, 12:38 AM

i just opened a interbets.com account which is through otb in ny state and you get full track payouts, can watch all the races except delayed races of ny and they just had a special if you deposit $75, they give you another $75. so i dont have to go to the otb but i either go to nearby track or bet from home.

**unusialsusp5** · 11-14-10, 12:46 AM

familiar with freaky. los alamitos promoted heavily by tvg and it is true that their early pick4 is the best bet in racing. just beat one favorite and you have huge overlay. unfortunately dwindling fan base may be irreversable, but their will always be racing. they need to pare it down a bit. simulcasting causes bettor to bet too many races resulting in shrinking bankrolls. too hard to be disciplined when the races never stop.

**BarkingToad** · 11-14-10, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by unusialsusp5

it's declining due to the proliferation of other gambling venues. also simulcasting has destroyed the comraderie that used to exist at the track.(everyone used to focus on that tracks races because that was all they had). now with 40 or more tracks to bet everyday people are huddled individually instead of collectively. younger players are overwhelmed by this and would rather play slots or cards or bet games. when the older players finally all die off racing will shrink even more. there is a market thanks to online and account wagering (tvg and hrtv are helping stave off the inevitable for now but the future is clouded). meanwhile bet unusual suspect in the feature race at Hollywood park today. he is a one run horse who excels at 1 1/2 miles.

We don't agree on Zenyatta vs. Buckpasser, but you made a great pick on this $22+ winner. Nice hit. I thought you may have been playing him b/c of the name, but he ran like you said.

**gtkid911** · 11-14-10, 02:28 AM

Whole system is messed up but not enough regulations to start over and rebuild it.

**dollarbill** · 11-14-10, 02:35 AM

Tough business... It was longshot Mike the thief was carmen vitali

**The General** · 11-14-10, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by csm506

General we all lose at the ponies LOL

Yes Sir. I've been around it my whole life basically, but never met a longterm winner.

**The General** · 11-14-10, 03:57 AM

My grandfather and some friends and family of ours were really big horse fans and some small time owners/trainers of a few ponies. He won a couple small races in his life. He passed away a little over 11 years ago. I truly wish he would have been able to have a PC and TVG, HRTV, Youbet, etc,. It was his passion and he would have cherished the on line betting while being able to watch so many live races from the recliner. We friends/family sat and listened to radio broadcasts from Churchill and River Downs. That was the chit at that time while placing some wagers with a local down the street in a tavern. Good memories. Almost All those fellas' are gone now. Just sharing some fun times when horse racing was doing well and very popular. Time frame was in the 70's and 80's. RIP, pappy.

**MadTiger** · 11-14-10, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by dante1

Right, a guy from Wilkes Barre, PA who did this out of his bar room was just arrested. It is a little dangerous. I was told by a PA state trooper that making the bet isn't illegal, using the phone was. I imagine using the net is considered the same.

They have legal precedence establishing that principle. Yep.

**3PtShooter** · 11-14-10, 08:54 AM

ya need some inside info to survive the ponies these days, just too much going on

**Mr. Jones** · 11-14-10, 10:11 AM

Take a ride on a two lane anywhere through the rolling hills of the Bluegrass of Kentucky. See all of the for sale signs on one horse farm after another. See all the farms going to absolute auction every weekend. As you ride down a road you rode down just 5 years ago, ask yourself where did all the mares and their babies go. Try to give a broodmare away. Maybe even one that's won over a $100K. See if you can?

Check the sales prices at Keeneland, Fasig-Tipton and Ocala. See what the vast majority of horses....the non-boutique horses are bringing.

Then on a beautiful summer afternoon go to picturesque River Downs along with the 200 or so others, and watch the pretty ponies run for purses of $3400.

**jetsjets1028** · 11-14-10, 11:13 AM

what stupid question to ask but with that being said dog racing is deff better