What's up (or down) with MB liquidity?

**Igetp2s** · 10-17-10, 09:25 PM

Matchbook is really, really good for a few major markets, but not good at all for many other markets.

**Data** · 10-17-10, 09:28 PM

Perhaps, the market is not that efficient as you falsely assumed.

**chance** · 10-17-10, 10:13 PM

If Matchbook want to attract customers they need to assure us our funds are safe.

**Kaps** · 10-17-10, 10:24 PM

ive been playing at matchy from day 1 ....they have NEVER missed a payment
secondly, for those complaining about not getting matched on certain wagers probably have about 10 outs
and will get covered elsewhere if unable to do so at matchy

there are times on certain events where people are not paying attn at that specific time but if your offering better
than every other market im sure you will get some action

**Domer** · 10-18-10, 12:12 AM

i really would like SBR john to come back to this thread and elaborate without using terms like "these are things ive heard from some people." lets put this in perspective john, if you made a thread the first day of the SBR forum was operational and said "POST IN THIS THREAD ONLY IF YOU HAVE BEEN SLOW PAID/NOT PAID BY MATCHBOOK" how many responses would it have after all these years? The thread would have 0 replies. they don't even blink at high payouts.

justin7 is playing there (as is every other us-facing bettor worth his salt) so...guess that speaks for itself.

why are you badmouthing a company that has the best payout record of any book? they don't mickey mouse around like CRIS and charge you $65 for fedex if you won from them. you don't have to break out a jamaican translator and send in 8 forms of identification like you do with oly. Matchbook has the best payout record, the easiest/quickest payouts barnone.

the ONLY reason I have surmised that you are badmouthing this company is that they stopped paying SBR for advertising. that's the only one that makes sense to me. "oh we didn't get a check from mb?" DOWNGRADE. "still haven't received one?" DOWNGRADE AGAIN, AND NEVER POST ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT THEM ON THE FORUM. the sad thing is that people who put trust in these ratings now believe that matchbook is shady, when its really all about the $$$$.

**SBR_John** · 10-18-10, 12:41 AM

What more do you want to know?
SBR is aware of one guy who is owed 7 figures who is basically in no pay mode. We also know of a guy who owes MB $100k and he is no pay mode. MB tried to sell to everyone in CR. We talked to two potential buyers who signed confidentiality agreements who told us they had a massive amount of debt. Nothing I've mentioned is recent news. Everyone in the industry is aware of it. MB extended credit to build liquidity with what they thought were top guys in the industry. But some like a guy who recently committed suicide and guys like Lenny (cascade) laid down and MB has been unable to pay their counterparts.

Those are the facts. They are still paying and as it has been said many times they have separated their credit from postup and so far so good. I hope it stays good.

**Dark Horse** · 10-18-10, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

What more do you want to know?
SBR is aware of one guy who is owed 7 figures who is basically in no pay mode. We also know of a guy who owes MB $100k and he is no pay mode. MB tried to sell to everyone in CR. We talked to two potential buyers who signed confidentiality agreements who told us they had a massive amount of debt. Nothing I've mentioned is recent news. Everyone in the industry is aware of it. MB extended credit to build liquidity with what they thought were top guys in the industry. But some like a guy who recently committed suicide and guys like Lenny (cascade) laid down and MB has been unable to pay their counterparts.

Those are the facts. They are still paying and as it has been said many times they have separated their credit from postup and so far so good. I hope it stays good.

Very few people on this board believe(d) it. Only those who connected the dots were aware of it. Appreciate the clarity.

**RonPaul2008** · 10-18-10, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

What more do you want to know?
SBR is aware of one guy who is owed 7 figures who is basically in no pay mode. We also know of a guy who owes MB $100k and he is no pay mode. MB tried to sell to everyone in CR. We talked to two potential buyers who signed confidentiality agreements who told us they had a massive amount of debt. Nothing I've mentioned is recent news. Everyone in the industry is aware of it. MB extended credit to build liquidity with what they thought were top guys in the industry. But some like a guy who recently committed suicide and guys like Lenny (cascade) laid down and MB has been unable to pay their counterparts.

Those are the facts. They are still paying and as it has been said many times they have separated their credit from postup and so far so good. I hope it stays good.

**** Lenny and Cascade!!!!! That site is still up too.
Why can't this guy be hunted down and prosecuted or worse?

**LostBankroll** · 10-18-10, 02:28 AM

Matchbook is still solid. EASY MONEY TO BE MADE ON MB.

**HedgeHog** · 10-18-10, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

What more do you want to know?
SBR is aware of one guy who is owed 7 figures who is basically in no pay mode. We also know of a guy who owes MB $100k and he is no pay mode. MB tried to sell to everyone in CR. We talked to two potential buyers who signed confidentiality agreements who told us they had a massive amount of debt. Nothing I've mentioned is recent news. Everyone in the industry is aware of it. MB extended credit to build liquidity with what they thought were top guys in the industry. But some like a guy who recently committed suicide and guys like Lenny (cascade) laid down and MB has been unable to pay their counterparts.

Those are the facts. They are still paying and as it has been said many times they have separated their credit from postup and so far so good. I hope it stays good.

MB thought Lenny was a good credit risk...really? After stiffing all his Cascade clients, MB felt Lenny was good for a substantial line of credit...really?

**neel** · 10-18-10, 07:48 AM

Hey guys, new to the forum. these trading sites interest me. I have a little experience with betfair but none with Matchbook. Can someone please compare their services. Are they very similar? from what I've read here it would seem one's money is safer at betfair.

**Odessa** · 10-18-10, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

What more do you want to know?
SBR is aware of one guy who is owed 7 figures who is basically in no pay mode.

This is total BS. If this is factual, why this "guy" doesn't come forward and shows his claim? In addition, MB "massive debt" is a sheer lie because last year they reduced commission when they already had lowest commission in the industry!

**rake922** · 10-18-10, 08:18 AM

I don't think John would lie

**Odessa** · 10-18-10, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by rake922

I don't think John would lie

Agree, but "guy" who told him this stories is a big fat liar!

**SBR_John** · 10-18-10, 08:30 AM

Then believe what you want. MB is welcome to come here and dispute any fact I've mentioned. They will not because I have not strayed outside what is common knowledge in the industry.

**bubba** · 10-18-10, 08:40 AM

john- whose decision was it for matchbook to stop advertising at sbr? was it matchbook decision or sbrs decision?

**Fishhead** · 10-18-10, 08:47 AM

Sbr ratings...........

Betphoenix b+
rebatewager b
matchbook b-

**SBR_John** · 10-18-10, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by bubba

john- whose decision was it for matchbook to stop advertising at sbr? was it matchbook decision or sbrs decision?

WSEX and MB pulled all advertising everywhere including their spot on SBROdds about 1 to 1.5 years ago. No hard feelings they were both A+ and A books once upon a time. Then they ran into the credit problems and lost their ratings. WSEX has made some progress and except for the flight out of MB causing some liquidity issues MB has done all they can to prove they are solid in the post up area.

**bubba** · 10-18-10, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

WSEX and MB pulled all advertising everywhere including their spot on SBROdds about 1 to 1.5 years ago. No hard feelings they were both A+ and A books once upon a time. Then they ran into the credit problems and lost their ratings. WSEX has made some progress and except for the flight out of MB causing some liquidity issues MB has done all they can to prove they are solid in the post up area.

so total coincendence that matchbook stops advertising and sbr starts raising red flags within a month? and with these red flags would sbr have dropped matchbook as a paid advertsier?

**HedgeHog** · 10-18-10, 09:07 AM

Did MB extend credit to Lenny before or after the massive Cascade theft? I can't believe a Book would be so stupid as to do so after his huge default.

**SBR_John** · 10-18-10, 09:17 AM

so total coincendence that matchbook stops advertising and sbr starts raising red flags within a month? and with these red flags would sbr have dropped matchbook as a paid advertsier?

Probably not coincidence. MB and WSEX saw the writing on the wall and pulled all their advertising everywhere. They probably thought that the word would get out and might as well conserve badly needed cash.

I'm not sure when Lenny went bad with MB. MB and WSEX thought that by giving all the well known bookies credit they could have great liquidity. Thats why when MB came up for sale the big books were lining up to buy in until they saw the mess then books like bookmaker started to work on their own exchange.

**Fishhead** · 10-18-10, 09:20 AM

1. MATCHBOOK does transfers with 5DIMES, BETJAM, GREEK, BOOKMAKER, CRIS and PINNACLE

2. MATCHBOOK is currently ranked #1 in the -FH- USA RANKINGS

Make your own conclusions..................

**Odessa** · 10-18-10, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Then believe what you want. MB is welcome to come here and dispute any fact I've mentioned. They will not because I have not strayed outside what is common knowledge in the industry.

What you refering as a "common knowledge" is just unsubstantiated allegations created by MB competitors. The facts are clear, no player was refused payment in company history! And SBR rating of MB is not reflective of the company standing in the industry.

**Monte** · 10-18-10, 09:59 AM

SBR is doing the right thing here.
Would you prefer an A rating, no warnings, and suddenly a crash happens?
Something messy is going on with Wsex/MB, and isn't it obvious that it is connected somehow?
Or do you really think Wsex would have problems because they, all of a sudden, lost shitloads of cash with their own book only? Wake up...iam just a lurker in this case, but even i can see that MB is not worthy of an A-rating in SAFETY at the moment. And it doesn't matter at all that they pay right now, things can change,
A-rating means 100% safety, and this is just not the case.

**Max009** · 10-18-10, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Odessa

What you refering as a "common knowledge" is just unsubstantiated allegations created by MB competitors. The facts are clear, no player was refused payment in company history! And SBR rating of MB is not reflective of the company standing in the industry.

If you read what he said, he said that MB separated their post-up and credit operations. So the credit operation is a complete mess apparently and the post up apparently is fine. Not sure how you can really disconnect them since if there is a guy owed 7 figures he wants to get paid whether it was on credit or not. This is about as clear as SBR has been on the issue and it seems a fairly logical story.

**wrongturn** · 10-18-10, 11:07 AM

Why MB does not give out bonus like WSEX or at least waiver the deposit fee.

**Chuck Sims** · 10-18-10, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Just use Pinnacle and have no worries and low juice and bet like 50,000 a game

Matchbook has never grown

Exchange betting in usa is a flop

Automobiles were a flop in the beginning too. As soon as the dummy squares realize the savings, the exchanges will be king.

49ers moneyline matched(Fri.) offer -242 at Matchbook
Bet Phoenix had the 49ers -345 moneyline on gameday. Nuff said.

**IrishTim** · 10-18-10, 11:19 AM

The liquidity on totals (MLB and NCAAF especially) has been downright embarrassing. Very very disappointed this year.

**jjgold** · 10-18-10, 11:20 AM

Matchbook has been around a long time and volume stagnant, very very little upswing in a long time

Not good

**Odessa** · 10-18-10, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by KC

I have seen 100+K offered for the major MLB and NFL games lately

JJ, name me a book where you have an option of betting 100K?

**Fishhead** · 10-18-10, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Matchbook has been around a long time and volume stagnant, very very little upswing in a long time

Not good

Meanwhile, in your last ratings you had MB in your top five.......at least you're coming around.

Did SBR slash your salary recently?

**Nicky Santoro** · 10-18-10, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by wrongturn

Why MB does not give out bonus like WSEX or at least waiver the deposit fee.

they give you commission credits, which is basically your fees back.

**Chuck Sims** · 10-18-10, 12:10 PM

When Matchbook was paying SBR, their rating was A-. And that was with the big credit player stiffing Matchbook.

I am not a small player. Matchbook has always paid me promptly.

**jjgold** · 10-18-10, 12:17 PM

Matchbook still in my top 5 because of low juice, they seem to pay all players here at SBR
I will not back down saying matchbook will never grow, poor marketing and sales team and of course the obvious exchange betting is not a traditional way to bet for Americans and not a traditional type book.

Odessa do you own matchbook????

**Fishhead** · 10-18-10, 12:22 PM

Fair enough JJ

However, MB has grown over the past 12 months..........

.......and liquidity is not a problem for 99.6% of the posters here.