the point-spread game looks good. do you analyze the others also, or mainly just that one?
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biggie12
SBR Posting Legend
12-30-05
13788
#4
not that you help me out at all justin but here are some games of value
redskins dolphins cleveland 10% edge,
mlb mil/sf tie
cfb arizona st washington
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k13
SBR Posting Legend
07-16-10
18104
#5
spreads always good for doggies.
too bad you need to play parlays.
I'm in ontario too, stopped playing it years ago
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Nicky Santoro
SBR Posting Legend
04-08-08
16103
#6
these lotteries here are scamming people. here in quebec, the sports lottery has always said 5 to 1.. they advertise it as 5 to 1. and when you tell someone it's 4 to 1, they say, nooooooooo man, it's 5 to 1. i try to explain it, but they don't understand..
people really believe here it's 5 to 1 and the govt is fooling them all. big difference between the 2.
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biggie12
SBR Posting Legend
12-30-05
13788
#7
Nicky people in ontario tell me the same thing. Some people are just dumb though they think 5 to 1 is the same as 5 for 1.
Its like Casino War here in Niagara, When you goto war and win they pay you 2 to 1, but when you goto war u have to back up your bet so your only getting 1 to 1.
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mathdotcom
SBR Posting Legend
03-24-08
11689
#8
I went after Pro-Line hard this summer, but it just was not worth it. Even with a 20% return, it can take almost an hour to get $1000 down at $100 per shop. That is not so much the problem as the fact that they have a low cap on certain combinations. After laying a dime on a certain combo, even early in the morning, the system will stop taking your bets. You can adjust the combo to include a different 3rd leg, but this comes at the cost of EV, and again you will quickly hit the liability cap of OLG. They are not entirely independent. After I've hit the $1000 cap, I can rarely get more than $500 down on the second combination before I hit the cap again, and so on. It could be that others are just beating me to the numbers and the cap is actually $10k/game, but the return (not to mention the variance) is just not worth it.
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fsugolf
SBR Hall of Famer
07-17-09
6194
#9
What is this you speak of?
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biggie12
SBR Posting Legend
12-30-05
13788
#10
Originally posted by mathdotcom
I went after Pro-Line hard this summer, but it just was not worth it. Even with a 20% return, it can take almost an hour to get $1000 down at $100 per shop. That is not so much the problem as the fact that they have a low cap on certain combinations. After laying a dime on a certain combo, even early in the morning, the system will stop taking your bets. You can adjust the combo to include a different 3rd leg, but this comes at the cost of EV, and again you will quickly hit the liability cap of OLG. They are not entirely independent. After I've hit the $1000 cap, I can rarely get more than $500 down on the second combination before I hit the cap again, and so on. It could be that others are just beating me to the numbers and the cap is actually $10k/game, but the return (not to mention the variance) is just not worth it.
I dont know where your playing your tickets but i get multiple $100 tickets at the same esso gas station. Never ran into any cap problems before so i have no idea wtf you are talking about
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SaviorTebow
SBR High Roller
07-20-10
219
#11
Originally posted by fsugolf
What is this you speak of?
It's a canadian thing.
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fsugolf
SBR Hall of Famer
07-17-09
6194
#12
Originally posted by SaviorTebow
It's a canadian thing.
I figured that much
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mathdotcom
SBR Posting Legend
03-24-08
11689
#13
Originally posted by biggie12
I dont know where your playing your tickets but i get multiple $100 tickets at the same esso gas station. Never ran into any cap problems before so i have no idea wtf you are talking about
You're obviously betting square numbers, and retailers can put in the same tickets over and over in their machine but they risk getting shit from OLG. I had retailers that would do this for me, but never wanted any issues cashing tickets.
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sharpcat
Restricted User
12-19-09
4516
#14
Not sure if DE is using Proline but half point 3 teamers pay 6.5 for 1 in DE which would be 5.5-1.
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biggie12
SBR Posting Legend
12-30-05
13788
#15
Originally posted by mathdotcom
You're obviously betting square numbers, and retailers can put in the same tickets over and over in their machine but they risk getting shit from OLG. I had retailers that would do this for me, but never wanted any issues cashing tickets.
Must be and all gas stations up in this area only pay upto $300.00. I usually have to goto woodbine to cash my winners, I haven't played in about 8 months though.
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rfr3sh
SBR Posting Legend
11-07-09
10229
#16
I get that liability BS all the time, not worth it anymore
i just like the spreads
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biggie12
SBR Posting Legend
12-30-05
13788
#17
Wow things must have really changed in the last 6 months
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Nicky Santoro
SBR Posting Legend
04-08-08
16103
#18
you guys missed the boat. i swear to god you would have totally freaked in the early 90's....
they'd put up the whole week NBA and NHL schedule.. and they'd not block you ever, nor ever change the lines.
totals of 193.5 in vegas, were 221.5 all week on pro line
totals of 202.5 were 229.5 all week
NHL.
totals of 5 un -125 in vegas, were 7.5
totals of 5.5 -110 were 8.5..
I am not kidding..
you'd find 12 of these a week and you'd round robin them, etc.. people made a huge killing.. the ontario lottery took such a beating, they stopped doing this.. back then, no one had a clue about gambling. today, it's totally different. people are more educated..
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magynuck
SBR Wise Guy
09-17-09
891
#19
There definitely are money making opportunities but time and effort commitment can be a put off. A couple notable instances of late that come to mind of lines that were exploitable were an nfl under(ne?) that did not change with huge winds and the nba game where san antonio had an overtime and flu and were sitting half there team next night. Now walk into a 7-11 and put down 50 $100 3 gamers. You are giving them 5k a store and they are pissed because it takes a lot of time. Now you win and you have to cash all these suckers because I am a recreational player and want no paper trail. I paid for my gas for months using those things.
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biggie12
SBR Posting Legend
12-30-05
13788
#20
Originally posted by Nicky Santoro
you guys missed the boat. i swear to god you would have totally freaked in the early 90's....
they'd put up the whole week NBA and NHL schedule.. and they'd not block you ever, nor ever change the lines.
totals of 193.5 in vegas, were 221.5 all week on pro line
totals of 202.5 were 229.5 all week
NHL.
totals of 5 un -125 in vegas, were 7.5
totals of 5.5 -110 were 8.5..
I am not kidding..
you'd find 12 of these a week and you'd round robin them, etc.. people made a huge killing.. the ontario lottery took such a beating, they stopped doing this.. back then, no one had a clue about gambling. today, it's totally different. people are more educated..
Things like this made me wish i was a bit older. We are suppose to get NBA back in proline this year (in ontario. Games odds will be out daily but might be some value in there.
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sickler
SBR Posting Legend
06-05-08
15006
#21
Originally posted by Justin7
Sickler,
the point-spread game looks good. do you analyze the others also, or mainly just that one?
Just seeing this days later. Good to see it was the proline you were asking about, Justin. There are several "proline" out there.
I play pools, props, proline, pointspread. I compare what they offer to what the books throw out. There are often good edges to be found in NFL props (QB completions, RB yardage, sacks...I go over all of it. OLG puts their NFL props up early Thursday morning I believe, well before the books do...sometimes you can spot an off number without having to wait for the books.
Wouldn't have been a good week to hammer the biggest PS edge. Brownies +1.5 when they were -3 offshore. They end up losing by 2.
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sickler
SBR Posting Legend
06-05-08
15006
#22
Originally posted by mathdotcom
I went after Pro-Line hard this summer, but it just was not worth it. Even with a 20% return, it can take almost an hour to get $1000 down at $100 per shop. That is not so much the problem as the fact that they have a low cap on certain combinations. After laying a dime on a certain combo, even early in the morning, the system will stop taking your bets. You can adjust the combo to include a different 3rd leg, but this comes at the cost of EV, and again you will quickly hit the liability cap of OLG. They are not entirely independent. After I've hit the $1000 cap, I can rarely get more than $500 down on the second combination before I hit the cap again, and so on. It could be that others are just beating me to the numbers and the cap is actually $10k/game, but the return (not to mention the variance) is just not worth it.
I used to have a guy at a petro-can who would let me circumvent the $100 rule. They got nailed somehow and had their lottery machine suspended for a few months.
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mathdotcom
SBR Posting Legend
03-24-08
11689
#23
sickler
If you want to meet a really rogue ProLine retailer, go to the pawn shop on the NE corner of Queen and Sherbourne. I went there around 11.30PM one night to hammer the brutal World Cup lines OLG posted up. The sketchy-as-**** owner took over a dime of my action (all $100 tickets) and would've taken more except I ran out of cash. And probably a good thing I did in that neighbourhood...
There is nobody normal in this business
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mathdotcom
SBR Posting Legend
03-24-08
11689
#24
Note the OLG sign on the side of the store
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BAUS
SBR MVP
08-10-05
2191
#25
That picture looks like a street in Bulgaria.
BAUS
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canabiz
SBR Rookie
08-16-07
43
#26
It wasn't a good week Proline-wise. The Browns game hurt but we move on. Props were good in the first week but a fluke sack here and some rushing yards there killed lots of tickets.
When all the stars line up and the games come in, watch out.
First time in a long time that I saw a non-perfect ticket took the Pools. 15/16 did it. It's always a challenge with these 15 and 16 games cards. Do you guys go at it on your own or do you split the cost of boxing the game with some partners?
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Raven66
SBR Wise Guy
09-21-09
824
#27
Proline is crap. I rather play offshore. Most of the times Proline got good dogs though. Favs suck on proline.
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byronbb
SBR MVP
11-13-08
3067
#28
Only $1000 a store? I've heard rumours in BC of people running 10k through one store. In BC they had game 7 props up for LA vs Phx when the Lakers had already won the series. Since a voided leg of a two teamer reverts to a single play, this let ppl smash the shit out of a HR prop at -250 that should have been priced at about -500.
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kmarinouofm
SBR Hall of Famer
01-26-09
8437
#29
lol.. i love this shit.. sounds like such a hustle..
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20Four7
SBR Hall of Famer
04-08-07
6703
#30
Originally posted by Nicky Santoro
you guys missed the boat. i swear to god you would have totally freaked in the early 90's....
they'd put up the whole week NBA and NHL schedule.. and they'd not block you ever, nor ever change the lines.
totals of 193.5 in vegas, were 221.5 all week on pro line
totals of 202.5 were 229.5 all week
NHL.
totals of 5 un -125 in vegas, were 7.5
totals of 5.5 -110 were 8.5..
I am not kidding..
you'd find 12 of these a week and you'd round robin them, etc.. people made a huge killing.. the ontario lottery took such a beating, they stopped doing this.. back then, no one had a clue about gambling. today, it's totally different. people are more educated..
Finally a post where Nickay is right on. 92-93 I had 2 retailers that hated me..... I was playing about 1K a day between the two, they always told me not to come back to cash..... I would come in to cash and they couldn't pay me out. Horrible numbers were routine. Past posting happened. There were some uefa games that you could still bet AFTER the game was over. Apparently 2:30 in england isn't the same 2:30 as here.... who knew?
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sickler
SBR Posting Legend
06-05-08
15006
#31
To the Proline dissers:
Yeah most times the parlays would pay far less than playing them at your favourite neighbourhood book. You have to look for value. Take the OLG NFL props. If I can get A QB's completions Under 28.5 -120 when it's Under 24.5 -120 at the books and the opposing team's RB Under 84.5 yds -120 when it's Under 68.5 yds -120 at the books, I'm gonna hammer that combo, especially if the QB is on a team favoured by 7 points or more. It's expected they'll have the lead in the second half and will want to burn clock (run more, pass less)....The RB is on the team playing catch-up (pass more, run less)...Three props are needed on a ticket. I will simply play both sides of the third prop. This way you can also get around combos being maxed out. If one side of your third combo produces the dreaded "liability limit exceeded", simply use one of the other 10 or so props as your third.
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sickler
SBR Posting Legend
06-05-08
15006
#32
Originally posted by mathdotcom
Note the OLG sign on the side of the store
Mathy, that's the pawn shop you're talking about?
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mathdotcom
SBR Posting Legend
03-24-08
11689
#33
Yes sir sickler
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jagaf22
SBR MVP
01-22-08
2932
#34
Originally posted by kmarinouofm
lol.. i love this shit.. sounds like such a hustle..
Sounds interesting gotta go to Canadia and give this a shot!
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biggie12
SBR Posting Legend
12-30-05
13788
#35
math i don't understand the big deal. I've never had a problem getting multiple amounts of tickets from any retailer up in thornhill/richmond hill area above $1,000.
Right at bathurst and steels there is an ESSO, MAC's milk, Petro canada, some european deli, Another convience store right across from mac's on the south corner. Those are 5 stores that i have used to make multiple $100 tickets without every running into problems.
Even the convenience store in the York University food court, (3 years back) sold me daily tickets of upto like $500 worth of the same outcomes.