New Edges and Angles for when sports come back

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  • Chi_archie
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-22-08
    • 63165

    #1
    New Edges and Angles for when sports come back
    rare opportunity when Mainstream sports are playing full force for us here.

    Many long held trends will be out the window, so what are some things you'll be looking towards to try to gain an edge?


    If Players are isolated from families for long periods of time do we create an algorithm that factors in how long a player has been married, how many kids he is away from, away from a pregnant wife ect? get a sum of the # for each team and see how that plays out early, as a replacement to home/away angle? Will teams with many bachelors do well in this environment?

    in MLB obviously pitcher arm health and how that relates to how they are coddled in their offseason, spring training, early season prep and oftentimes resulting dead arms are big things to follow. How do you see arm health playing out in this weird season? Can we get good info on how various pitchers have been training during the past 3 months?


    drug testing? how does that look in this novel season?
  • Sam Odom
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-30-05
    • 58063

    #2
    Archie

    when you figure this out... Sammy will tail you
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    • Chi_archie
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-22-08
      • 63165

      #3
      Originally posted by Sam Odom
      Archie

      when you figure this out... Sammy will tail you
      I'll keep everyone apprised

      if I still have the desire to spend the time to figure anything out
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      • TheMetsSuck
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 01-14-12
        • 6149

        #4
        Home field advantage definitely not as important in soccer than it was with fans. Lotta value on away teams pretty much playing on a neutral field at regular odds
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        • El Nino
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 05-03-12
          • 18426

          #5
          Need to find out which teams are getting the ACE HOOKERS sent to their hotels. Women weaken the legs. Could be hugh edge.
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          • pavyracer
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 04-12-07
            • 82490

            #6
            For football the games will be low scoring. Without fans the players would want the games to be over as soon as possible as there is no incentive for owners to sell more beer at the stadium. Many games will go under the total.
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            • KVB
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 05-29-14
              • 74817

              #7
              Originally posted by pavyracer
              For football the games will be low scoring. Without fans the players would want the games to be over as soon as possible as there is no incentive for owners to sell more beer at the stadium. Many games will go under the total.
              TV contract and ad slots will supersede the lost stadium sales. Games might go Under, but not likely for the reasons you post.
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              • Golden fleece
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 09-25-18
                • 858

                #8
                fade good home teams against the number might not be a bad idea
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                • d2bets
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 08-10-05
                  • 39990

                  #9
                  Hard to tell until we see lines and line adjustments.

                  But generally, I'd think playing underdogs smarter than playing chalk.
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                  • lakerboy
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 04-02-09
                    • 94368

                    #10
                    Bases will be different because they are starting fresh. Everyone else is coming back to finish except NFL I guess but I'm not looking at that. Soccer generally favorites are winning
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                    • seaborneq
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 09-08-06
                      • 22556

                      #11
                      Throw everything out if the window that you’ve ever known. This is a brand new world we are venturing. I know for me personally if I start out losing badly I'm not going to try to figure out how to find new edges and angles. I’m going to quit betting for awhile. I don’t think future betting will be a get back on your horse proposition for a while. Be ready to cut your losses as soon as possible.
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                      • KVB
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 05-29-14
                        • 74817

                        #12
                        Originally posted by seaborneq
                        Throw everything out if the window that you’ve ever known. This is a brand new world we are venturing. I know for me personally if I start out losing badly I'm not going to try to figure out how to find new edges and angles. I’m going to quit betting for awhile. I don’t think future betting will be a get back on your horse proposition for a while. Be ready to cut your losses as soon as possible.
                        Tell me about it. For MLB, a large portion of what I do requires the first third of the season or so to go by, maybe a little less.

                        Going to have to scrap multiple programs for this season as the mountain of data will come too late.

                        For NBA I was in the middle of an aggressive trading strategy and was posting the whole thing, inlcuding how we backtest to get there. We were on a roll with steam ahead, +35 units, then it shut down.

                        It would dangerous for me to assume that we enter the same market we left, where the bets and unit sizes were extremely aggressive.

                        I'm down some strategies for sure, but I'm not out.
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                        • funnyb25
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 07-09-09
                          • 39659

                          #13
                          Look for some cappers to have the best runs of their lives. Not knowing a damn thing can only help.
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                          • rm18
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 09-20-05
                            • 22291

                            #14
                            I think it will mostly only matter in the regular season games which don't mean a lot. In playoffs guys more dialed in.
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                            • JIBBBY
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 12-10-09
                              • 83691

                              #15
                              As said home court won't matter now with empty arenas and stadiums.

                              Bet the better team period especially when the odds are favoring the home team only because they are playing at home...
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                              • KVB
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 05-29-14
                                • 74817

                                #16
                                Originally posted by rm18
                                I think it will mostly only matter in the regular season games which don't mean a lot. In playoffs guys more dialed in.
                                I 100% agree here and am targeting the playoffs. Not sure if the playoffs will have the added rules though.
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                                • seaborneq
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 09-08-06
                                  • 22556

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by KVB
                                  Tell me about it. For MLB, a large portion of what I do requires the first third of the season or so to go by, maybe a little less.

                                  Going to have to scrap multiple programs for this season as the mountain of data will come too late.

                                  For NBA I was in the middle of an aggressive trading strategy and was posting the whole thing, inlcuding how we backtest to get there. We were on a roll with steam ahead, +35 units, then it shut down.

                                  It would dangerous for me to assume that we enter the same market we left, where the bets and unit sizes were extremely aggressive.

                                  I'm down some strategies for sure, but I'm not out.
                                  It just doesn’t make any sense to lose your ass off the next few months when you don’t have any stats, points of references, trends, etc to draw from for an edge or strategy. This will be no better than playing slots and hoping you hit the jackpot. Don’t be broke and clueless. I don’t believe the players in any of the sports mindsets will be the same either. I feel powerless in a game of superheroes right now. I can see myself sitting out early and waiting until football season and hoping for the best.
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                                  • Brock Landers
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 06-30-08
                                    • 45360

                                    #18
                                    Bad teams will be REALLY bad. They're not going to improve over 60 games. Fading will be the name of the game
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                                    • pavyracer
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 04-12-07
                                      • 82490

                                      #19
                                      Brock Landers how much money have you lost lifetime betting sports? Has to be 6 digits. You are in no position to give gambling advice.
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                                      • Brock Landers
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 06-30-08
                                        • 45360

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by pavyracer
                                        Brock Landers how much money have you lost lifetime betting sports? Has to be 6 digits. You are in no position to give gambling advice.
                                        Did you participate in burning the Wendy's in Atlanta?
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                                        • jjgold
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 07-20-05
                                          • 388189

                                          #21
                                          Brock a professional gambler
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                                          • stake1
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 12-19-18
                                            • 18116

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by jjgold
                                            Brock a professional gambler
                                            Hahahahaha!
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                                            • jjgold
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 07-20-05
                                              • 388189

                                              #23
                                              Unders only angle
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                                              • pologq
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 10-07-12
                                                • 19899

                                                #24
                                                i can see good teams in baseball trying to coast once they know they have a spot locked up or no they can lock a spot up. no need to bust their ass given that 16 teams make the playoffs unless they really really want home field. its not like 162 games and you got teams like the dodgers and yankees trying to win 100-110 games. yankees might give quick hooks to cole and tanaka so as to keep him fresh and let the bullpen do the work.
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                                                • manny24
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 10-22-07
                                                  • 20046

                                                  #25
                                                  charge calls will be removed from NBA quicker than brock got fired from uber eats

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                                                  • Chi_archie
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 07-22-08
                                                    • 63165

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by pologq
                                                    i can see good teams in baseball trying to coast once they know they have a spot locked up or no they can lock a spot up. no need to bust their ass given that 16 teams make the playoffs unless they really really want home field. its not like 162 games and you got teams like the dodgers and yankees trying to win 100-110 games. yankees might give quick hooks to cole and tanaka so as to keep him fresh and let the bullpen do the work.
                                                    something to think about.

                                                    But if anything I think pitchers are going to want to get their every 5th day more than ever, so that they can be sharp once playoffs come around. Long season fatigue will not factor in
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                                                    • Sam Odom
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 10-30-05
                                                      • 58063

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by pavyracer



                                                      brock landers how much money have you lost lifetime betting sports? Has to be 6 digits.

                                                      $300k +/-
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                                                      • miabos
                                                        SBR Hustler
                                                        • 09-16-10
                                                        • 88

                                                        #28
                                                        Long term effects of players/athletes who tested positive for the corona virus could play a role in sports betting. Any player/athlete suffering symptoms after testing positive for the corona virus, could sustain long term effects. This could cause a lack in their overall performance. It is basically another injury which can be used for handicapping. Medical professionals are learning more each day about the severity of damage to the lungs and other health related issues. Remember those athletes who have tested positive and monitor their performance once they return. Good luck to everyone betting when sports return. To all, stay healthy.
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                                                        • d2bets
                                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                          • 08-10-05
                                                          • 39990

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by miabos
                                                          Long term effects of players/athletes who tested positive for the corona virus could play a role in sports betting. Any player/athlete suffering symptoms after testing positive for the corona virus, could sustain long term effects. This could cause a lack in their overall performance. It is basically another injury which can be used for handicapping. Medical professionals are learning more each day about the severity of damage to the lungs and other health related issues. Remember those athletes who have tested positive and monitor their performance once they return. Good luck to everyone betting when sports return. To all, stay healthy.
                                                          Will we know who's had covid before? Is there a current running list?
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                                                          • KVB
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 05-29-14
                                                            • 74817

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by miabos
                                                            Long term effects of players/athletes who tested positive for the corona virus could play a role in sports betting. Any player/athlete suffering symptoms after testing positive for the corona virus, could sustain long term effects. This could cause a lack in their overall performance. It is basically another injury which can be used for handicapping. Medical professionals are learning more each day about the severity of damage to the lungs and other health related issues. Remember those athletes who have tested positive and monitor their performance once they return. Good luck to everyone betting when sports return. To all, stay healthy.
                                                            I can see where you're going with this, and it's a valid thought, but...

                                                            Any "lack of performance" no matter the cause, has a way to be dealt with in sports, like next man up.

                                                            Unless it's an all star, I don't see long term covid affect bleeding into sports betting. They can sit a guy and figure out what's wrong.

                                                            An all star or necesary player might be forced a little harder though. Not sure we get an actionable betting angle with potential long term covid effects.
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                                                            • miabos
                                                              SBR Hustler
                                                              • 09-16-10
                                                              • 88

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by d2bets
                                                              Will we know who's had covid before? Is there a current running list?
                                                              It is difficult to find all players who have been tested positive for the corona virus. Searching for them on google is the best until you to find a site that lists them. 247sports.com and ajc.com sports links worked for me. Like most betting angles or edges it will probably be short lived. Every little edge or angle we can find, hopefully makes us better cappers. Good Luck
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                                                              • miabos
                                                                SBR Hustler
                                                                • 09-16-10
                                                                • 88

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by KVB
                                                                I can see where you're going with this, and it's a valid thought, but...

                                                                Any "lack of performance" no matter the cause, has a way to be dealt with in sports, like next man up.

                                                                Unless it's an all star, I don't see long term covid affect bleeding into sports betting. They can sit a guy and figure out what's wrong.

                                                                An all star or necesary player might be forced a little harder though. Not sure we get an actionable betting angle with potential long term covid effects.
                                                                This is a new betting angle I thought about. Just putting it out there, more of a crap shoot than anything. Thanks for responding and good luck KVB.
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                                                                • jjgold
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 07-20-05
                                                                  • 388189

                                                                  #33
                                                                  edges factored into the lines quickly
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                                                                  • sosawestbrook
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 12-10-16
                                                                    • 3135

                                                                    #34
                                                                    as if they are playing a completely different game then they did just a few months ago?

                                                                    home court dynamics have been removed completely in some sports. thats literally it. adjust accordingly.

                                                                    everything else superfluous.
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                                                                    • seaborneq
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 09-08-06
                                                                      • 22556

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by sosawestbrook
                                                                      as if they are playing a completely different game then they did just a few months ago?

                                                                      home court dynamics have been removed completely in some sports. thats literally it. adjust accordingly.

                                                                      everything else superfluous.
                                                                      Not playing a different game, but if you think everyone will be in prime high peak conditioning at the first tip or pitch you are sadly mistakened. You can’t handicap how diligently someone stayed in shape during the delay unless you see it.
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