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    JJ is worried...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrtop7 View Post
    there was no legal books before... They are the ones complaining about offshore
    Correct. But we all knew... that majority of the offshore owners... had ties to the USA.... one way or another. Some even said... they wouldn't even step foot in America again. So, why are they afraid now? Because some State said so? Only way they could do anything... if BIG BROTHER Feds stepped in. And... even so.... why did they wait this long? Do they have any jurisdiction anyways?

    It seems like someone fukked up during the entire process.... did the owner's think by changing .com to a .eu would set them free? Why are they afraid now? Is Costa Rica authorities going to capture the owners for the USA? Or would the USA be allowed to set foot on the soil to capture them?

    Like I said... why are you afraid now? You weren't afraid 10 years ago.

    Totally baffled by the balls of NJ. Furthermore, totally in awe of these owners "TURTLING" now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot View Post
    Correct. But we all knew... that majority of the offshore owners... had ties to the USA.... one way or another. Some even said... they wouldn't even step foot in America again. So, why are they afraid now? Because some State said so? Only way they could do anything... if BIG BROTHER Feds stepped in. And... even so.... why did they wait this long? Do they have any jurisdiction anyways?

    It seems like someone fukked up during the entire process.... did the owner's think by changing .com to a .eu would set them free? Why are they afraid now? Is Costa Rica authorities going to capture the owners for the USA? Or would the USA be allowed to set foot on the soil to capture them?

    Like I said... why are you afraid now? You weren't afraid 10 years ago.

    Totally baffled by the balls of NJ. Furthermore, totally in awe of these owners "TURTLING" now.
    well you get indicted . You have to show up for that. If you don't , you would be breaking the law. So you are now breaking the law. The USA has strong political ties to C.R. ...you want to piss them off more? Then you are rolling the dice. that is why people surrender. ... are you forgetting they chased out pinny and the others. That is why they never came back ..The feds have a lot on their plate. than chasing books in other countries. Maybe nothing happened to them and they know it is better to leave the state. Who knows what the reasons were. Then again they could of received a letter in the mail to stop what they are doing in NJ.

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    Any current player from NJ get kicked out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot View Post
    I truly don't understand this.

    All because New Jersey can push it? How? Go after Bookmaker?

    If states could go after offshore.... why did they wait til now? They have backing from the Feds?

    Absolutely makes zero sense to me.

    If you could go after them now....

    You could of went after them 10 years ago.
    There were no state laws in place for New Jersey to do anything with before.

    There was no govt department responsible for enforcement of gaming laws charged with protecting state revenue.


    And who said NJ "is going after bookmaker" anyway?

    CRIS a legal business, who takes their own legal advice, and is just as likely to have made the decision themselves as be reacting to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    There were no state laws in place for New Jersey to do anything with before.

    There was no govt department responsible for enforcement of gaming laws charged with protecting state revenue.


    And who said NJ "is going after bookmaker" anyway?

    CRIS a legal business, who takes their own legal advice, and is just as likely to have made the decision themselves as be reacting to anyone.
    Never meant to direct it totally at Bookmaker. It was a general statement towards all books offshore.

    USA only goes after select books? I would imagine it would be directed to all books in the next few years.

    If they are starting to turtle now... then there won't be an offshore for US Players anymore.

    Why didn't Nevada care for the last 20 years? Were they in bed with some books offshore? Doesn't make any sense about New Jersey's little dikk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot View Post

    Never meant to direct it totally at Bookmaker. It was a general statement towards all books offshore.

    USA only goes after select books? I would imagine it would be directed to all books in the next few years.

    If they are starting to turtle now... then there won't be an offshore for US Players anymore.

    Why didn't Nevada care for the last 20 years? Were they in bed with some books offshore? Doesn't make any sense about New Jersey's little dikk.
    I honestly have no inside info and do not know what will happen.

    In other places, the legally responsible books like Bookmaker and Pinnacle have tried not to step on toes of mainstream licensed jurisdictions like UK and Australia and pulled out. Either on their own or after being asked. I do not think there were any fights about it.

    As far as other offshores... most of us, including the DOJ only appeared to find out for sure who 5D Tony after he went missing. I don't think the books setup like that without an identified USA connected operator will be reacting the same way as CRIS personally.


    But we'll have to wait and see. Laws that ban promoting their service into legal states are a lot easier to prove than breaches under the old federal laws, and probably have a lot scarier penalties available.

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    Mymophead, pm me if you want the answer.

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    Devastating if you can't use offshore because of regulated/licensed sites.

    American products are absolute garbage compared to offshore. It's possible to make money betting with offshore as they don't limit you as much, have great promotions/bonuses and better lines. For the guys betting $20 a game I'm sure they love the legal and regulated options. Anyone serious definitely does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    Any current player from NJ get kicked out?

    me and another player....So it is what it is....There must be more.. It started 2 weeks ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusherrr View Post
    Devastating if you can't use offshore because of regulated/licensed sites.

    American products are absolute garbage compared to offshore. It's possible to make money betting with offshore as they don't limit you as much, have great promotions/bonuses and better lines. For the guys betting $20 a game I'm sure they love the legal and regulated options. Anyone serious definitely does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Odom View Post


    JJ is worried...
    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post


    This


    Right...

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    Worried about what?

    Good laughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    Any current player from NJ get kicked out?
    So how did it go down? Were you trying to re-up for football or were the accounts active for the past few weeks.

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    Maybe IP based??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    So how did it go down? Were you trying to re-up for football or were the accounts active for the past few weeks.
    Yeah can we get some more details? Did they specifically tell you they won't take your deposit because you were located in NJ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Maybe IP based??


    i can get into the account.... they won't take a deposit from NJ ... nothing to do with the computer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrtop7 View Post
    i can get into the account.... they won't take a deposit from NJ ... nothing to do with the computer
    I was able to generate a bitcoin address. I'm in NJ

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    It seems nothing official

    Maybe tech glitches

    Bitcoin should be fine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterstpub87 View Post
    I was able to generate a bitcoin address. I'm in NJ
    Same here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluehorseshoe View Post
    Same here.

    i never tried it....they said it to me in the chat room

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    It seems nothing official

    Maybe tech glitches

    Bitcoin should be fine?


    nothing to do with the computer.... they said it to me in their chat area

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrtop7 View Post
    nothing to do with the computer.... they said it to me in their chat area
    Send them a small amount of Bitcoin. I bet they'd take it.

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    Bullshit

    No way NJ can stop offshore

    If they could, they would have YEARS ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Landers View Post
    Bullshit

    No way NJ can stop offshore

    If they could, they would have YEARS ago


    why don't you ask them ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    Send them a small amount of Bitcoin. I bet they'd take it.

    let me explain it to you..... they said it in the chat area.... why would i try ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterstpub87 View Post
    I was able to generate a bitcoin address. I'm in NJ


    ask them in chat room with cashier or phone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Landers View Post
    Bullshit

    No way NJ can stop offshore

    If they could, they would have YEARS ago


    years ago no legal in NJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterstpub87 View Post
    I was able to generate a bitcoin address. I'm in NJ


    call them on the phone or chat room with cashier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrtop7 View Post
    call them on the phone or chat room with cashier
    Maybe you shouldnt ask? Maybe if you ask theu say no, but if you dont act like a fed, you wo nt have an issue

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    Not a totally unprecedented situation. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Bovada kick out New Yorkers quite a few years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterstpub87 View Post
    Maybe you shouldnt ask? Maybe if you ask theu say no, but if you dont act like a fed, you wo nt have an issue
    been playing there for years.... they know me.... cashed out already in the past...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty68 View Post
    Not a totally unprecedented situation. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Bovada kick out New Yorkers quite a few years ago?
    Bovada banned New Jersey years ago.

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