Jokic has played with a lot of bums.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 04-16-25, 06:45 AM

I saw this stat. I don't know. Murray has been pretty good. Gordon has been a solid pro, what I'd call a solid 3rd-option.

That said, Jokic is a very unique talent. Will be interesting to see how the Nuggets do in the playoffs. See my bet thread, I'm ON the Nuggets.

**stevenash** · 04-16-25, 08:12 AM

Kroenke needs to clean out that front office.
Nuggets are the most top-heavy budget-wise team in the league; they've been for years.

86 percent of the team's cap goes to Jokic, Murray, and Porter.
The rest of the team is just 14 percent.

Check it out.
Denver Nuggets Multi-Year Table

**spiromoney23** · 04-16-25, 10:24 AM

Send Jokic to the Lakers and rebuild

**Mac4Lyfe** · 04-16-25, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

I saw this stat. I don't know. Murray has been pretty good. Gordon has been a solid pro, what I'd call a solid 3rd-option.

That said, Jokic is a very unique talent. Will be interesting to see how the Nuggets do in the playoffs. See my bet thread, I'm ON the Nuggets.

Russell Westbrook has been an All Star half his career. Deandre Jordan has been an All Star too plus all defensive team. The only reason Murray hasn’t been an All Star is because of injuries. Aaron Gordon would be an All Star if he played on any other team. Michael Porter Jr too. Jokic has the ball in his hands most of the time. He’s running the entire offense and he works it through Murray. How, when can another player do anything to be an All Star playing on this team? It’s like Bosh and Klove playing with LeBron. Their games suffered.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 04-16-25, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Russell Westbrook has been an All Star half his career. Deandre Jordan has been an All Star too plus all defensive team. The only reason Murray hasn’t been an All Star is because of injuries. Aaron Gordon would be an All Star if he played on any other team. Michael Porter Jr too. Jokic has the ball in his hands most of the time. He’s running the entire offense and he works it through Murray. How, when can another player do anything to be an All Star playing on this team? It’s like Bosh and Klove playing with LeBron. Their games suffered.

Very good post, Mac. See my bet on Denver in the playoffs. I really think the players will feel looser now that they cleaned house.

**OVAKUL** · 04-16-25, 01:52 PM

**** all star designations. Porter and Murray are no bums... and Westbrook, though I can't stand him as a player, would easily make this Lakers starting 5

**OVAKUL** · 04-16-25, 01:54 PM

Ok maybe Russ wouldn't replace Reaves and it'd be hard to play three guard line ups too often, but it would be a devastating weapon when Lakers have to catch up.

IN COMPARISON, everyone is a bum, cause Jokic is so amazing

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 04-16-25, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by OVAKUL

**** all star designations. Porter and Murray are no bums... and Westbrook, though I can't stand him as a player, would easily make this Lakers starting 5

Ova, they reduced Westbrook's minutes late in the season. I much prefer him coming off the bench. Makes me more confident in my DEN bet, people are writing off the Nuggets.

**BigDaniil** · 04-16-25, 02:13 PM

This just goes to show Denver is a small market.

**raiders72001** · 04-23-25, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

Ova, they reduced Westbrook's minutes late in the season. I much prefer him coming off the bench. Makes me more confident in my DEN bet, people are writing off the Nuggets.

He's been coming off the bench the last 5 years.

**stevenash** · 04-23-25, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by BigDaniil

This just goes to show Denver is a small market.

Denver is a larger US market than most people realize (ranked #18)
Denver serves three states, Colorado, parts of Wyoming, and Nebraska, as well.

Here's the problem with Denver, it's in that wacky Mountain Time Zone.
Two hours behind NYC (EST), one hour behind Chicago (CST), and one hour ahead of LA (PST)

Ask any network executive if the Mountain Time Zone drives them crazy.
For starters, there are only three large market cities besides Denver, Salt Lake City, and Phoenix.
(Not for nothing, a *large* market is generally defined as a top 100 rank)
Networks pay attention to the Eastern Time Zone cities for advertising dollars, ratings etc., etc.

Go up and down the I-95 corridor, starting from Boston, and work south.
You'll run into (starting from Boston) NYC, Newark, Philly, Baltimore, Miami, Orlando, Tampa/St. Pete, and Atlanta, even though I don't classify Atlanta as your prototypical I-95 east city, it's inland, away from the coast.
Eight of the top 20 US markets reside in the Eastern Time Zone.

The Central has all the Great Lakes port cities, including Minneapolis, Chicago, and Milwaukee.
Also the hearland big cities resides in the Central, like St. Louis, KC, not to mention Houston and Dallas.

The Mountain is like the red-headed ginger stepchild of the Time Zones, that nobody knows exactly what to do with.
I studied mass media and communications for a couple of years in case your wondering, what can I tell you, I'm a geek from way back.

Plus that shit fascinates me, and as long as mass media was a credited elective, I signed up while focusing on IT

**packerd_00** · 04-23-25, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Russell Westbrook has been an All Star half his career. Deandre Jordan has been an All Star too plus all defensive team. The only reason Murray hasn’t been an All Star is because of injuries. Aaron Gordon would be an All Star if he played on any other team. Michael Porter Jr too. Jokic has the ball in his hands most of the time. He’s running the entire offense and he works it through Murray. How, when can another player do anything to be an All Star playing on this team? It’s like Bosh and Klove playing with LeBron. Their games suffered.

The days of Westbrook and Jordan being all-stars is long gone. You know that as well as I do.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 04-23-25, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by packerd_00

The days of Westbrook and Jordan being all-stars is long gone. You know that as well as I do.

Westbrook won game 1 for the Nuggets. You can count on him more that that bum Michael Porter Jr. Jokic lost game 2 imo, with 7 boneheaded turnovers, some at the worst time.

**stevenash** · 04-23-25, 08:24 PM

^

I've been defending Westbrook for over a decade running (did you see what I did there?).
And I've been catching grief for over a decade regularly while defending Russ.

When I was just starting in organized athletics as an eight-year-old, my Dad (the greatest man that ever lived, but that's a biased opinion) taught me a very valuable life lesson. Dad told me, "Son, if you put in your very best maximum effort from start to finish, no matter how brutal the outcome may be, I will never be angry with you."

Dad was a career thirty-year military man; the one thing the military won't tolerate is quitters.
That's why going AWOL carries a hefty penalty if caught, AWOL is the worst form of quitting.

Which brings me to the point, Westbrook gives you max effort pretty much from start to finish, and that's why he'll always have respect with me.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 04-23-25, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

^

I've been defending Westbrook for over a decade running (did you see what I did there?).
And I've been catching grief for over a decade regularly while defending Russ.

When I was just starting in organized athletics as an eight-year-old, my Dad (the greatest man that ever lived, but that's a biased opinion) taught me a very valuable life lesson. Dad told me, "Son, if you put in your very best maximum effort from start to finish, no matter how brutal the outcome may be, I will never be angry with you."

Dad was a career thirty-year military man; the one thing the military won't tolerate is quitters.
That's why going AWOL carries a hefty penalty if caught, AWOL is the worst form of quitting.

Which brings me to the point, Westbrook gives you max effort pretty much from start to finish, and that's why he'll always have respect with me.

Excellent post.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 05-05-25, 11:47 PM

Aaron Gordon with 2 game winning shots already in these playoffs. He really is an All Star in many cases.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 05-06-25, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Aaron Gordon with 2 game winning shots already in these playoffs. He really is an All Star in many cases.

Very true. He's coming up big.

**raiders72001** · 05-06-25, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by stevenash

^

I've been defending Westbrook for over a decade running (did you see what I did there?).
And I've been catching grief for over a decade regularly while defending Russ.

When I was just starting in organized athletics as an eight-year-old, my Dad (the greatest man that ever lived, but that's a biased opinion) taught me a very valuable life lesson. Dad told me, "Son, if you put in your very best maximum effort from start to finish, no matter how brutal the outcome may be, I will never be angry with you."

Dad was a career thirty-year military man; the one thing the military won't tolerate is quitters.
That's why going AWOL carries a hefty penalty if caught, AWOL is the worst form of quitting.

Which brings me to the point, Westbrook gives you max effort pretty much from start to finish, and that's why he'll always have respect with me.

Give Westbrook credit on that last play too. Found the open man.

**kostasblues** · 05-06-25, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by spiromoney23

Send Jokic to the Lakers and rebuild

That's unlikely to happen after he sweeps the Thunder

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 05-06-25, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Give Westbrook credit on that last play too. Found the open man.

He sure did!

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 05-06-25, 10:38 AM

Three nice upsets in the Game Ones. Not sure that I saw that coming.

I expected these series to be pretty chalky. Have to think hard about the home teams in Game Two.

**ProSportsEdge** · 05-06-25, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

I saw this stat. I don't know. Murray has been pretty good. Gordon has been a solid pro, what I'd call a solid 3rd-option.

That said, Jokic is a very unique talent. Will be interesting to see how the Nuggets do in the playoffs. See my bet thread, I'm ON the Nuggets.

Yeah, Jokic is a game-changer. Murray and Gordon fit well around him. I like their chances too—Nuggets are a solid bet.

**eberetta1** · 05-06-25, 11:00 AM

LeBron had to change teams to become a champion. At least Jokic did not have to do the same. Well, unless her wants a 2nd ring.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 05-07-25, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

Three nice upsets in the Game Ones. Not sure that I saw that coming.

I expected these series to be pretty chalky. Have to think hard about the home teams in Game Two.

And the Warriors beat Minny. I don’t think the home tea, has won a game this 2nd round. Crazy. I’ve never seen that before.

**stevenash** · 05-07-25, 11:20 AM

If you parlayed all the dogs, I think the payout now is around 400-1.
I do know that after the first three dogs won outright, the payout would have been 72-1.
I need to update the math.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 05-07-25, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

If you parlayed all the dogs, I think the payout now is around 400-1.
I do know that after the first three dogs won outright, the payout would have been 72-1.
I need to update the math.

Has the home team won a game yet? Nope 0-6. Down goes Boston. Unfukkingreal. Can OKC hold serve?

**johnnyvegas13** · 05-07-25, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Has the home team won a game yet? Nope 0-6. Down goes Boston. Unfukkingreal. Can OKC hold serve?

I was thinking the exact same

well okc has to b a lock now …

**johnnyvegas13** · 05-07-25, 08:51 PM

U can grab nuggets live +750 rn if u think the trend continues

**johnnyvegas13** · 05-07-25, 09:35 PM

This nuggets game is a beat down

**homie1975** · 05-07-25, 10:49 PM

murray
porter jr
gordon

not bums at all. murray is all star level and porter jr and gordon excellent role players

not a smart post. sorry.

**raiders72001** · 05-08-25, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by homie1975

murray
porter jr
gordon

not bums at all. murray is all star level and porter jr and gordon excellent role players

not a smart post. sorry.

It was more just bringing an article over than personal opinion. That said, Jokic hasn't played with the same level of talent as LeBron James. What are they without Jokic. A very bad team.

**raiders72001** · 05-08-25, 04:33 AM

ChatGPT

The Denver Nuggets' performance without Nikola Jokić has historically been significantly weaker compared to when he's on the court. In the 2024–25 NBA season, the Nuggets had a record of 4–8 in games without Jokić, translating to a .333 win percentage. StatMuse

Looking at previous seasons:

2022–23: 5–8 record without Jokić (.385 win percentage)Denver Stiffs+3StatMuse+3StatMuse+3
2021–22: 2–6 record without Jokić (.250 win percentage)

These statistics indicate that the Nuggets' success is closely tied to Jokić's presence. Without him, their win rate drops significantly, suggesting that over an 82-game season without Jokić, the team might project to win approximately 27 to 31 games.Leo Gilray G. Blog - Leo Gilray G.+1StatMuse+1

This underscores Jokić's critical role in the team's performance and highlights the challenges the Nuggets face in his absence.

**homie1975** · 05-08-25, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

It was more just bringing an article over than personal opinion. That said, Jokic hasn't played with the same level of talent as LeBron James. What are they without Jokic. A very bad team.

sorry not meant at you.

the author was trying to make a point and i am quite certain there underlying tones that i do not need to say out loud.

that said, MVP award meaningless. Jordan should have won every year. it is a popularity contest and subjective award.

jokic still sits at just 1 ring.

the great white hope cannot hold a candle to larry legend.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 05-08-25, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

It was more just bringing an article over than personal opinion. That said, Jokic hasn't played with the same level of talent as LeBron James. What are they without Jokic. A very bad team.

LeBron didn’t have half the talent when he first got to Cleveland. The Cavs top guys alongside him was Larry Hughes, Mo Williams. That Cavs team was the worst in the league. When he left they went right back to the worse. He went to a Miami and made them the best and when he left they were the worst in the league. He goes to Cleveland with Kyrie and acquire Love, both who couldn’t stay healthy and wins a title. He leaves again and the Cavs become the league worst again.

Jokic has had.