I need help with a Cricket bet settlement

[ThaWoj]

So I live bet India and West Indies womens cricket.

28th over, 4th delivery, over 1.5 runs. 4 runs were scored on the 4th delivery but DK graded it a loss and said only 1 run was scored. The first delivery (27.1) was a wide ball. According to the rules, unless I'm mistaken, a wide ball does not count as a delivery.
Taken from Google: "No, a wide ball in cricket does not count as a delivery; it is considered an illegal delivery and is not counted as one of the six balls in an over, meaning the bowler must bowl an additional ball to complete the over."

DK is probably assuming that the wide ball was the 1st delivery even though it doesn't count as one. So that would incorrectly throw off the rest of the delivery numbers.

This is from the box score:

27.1 wide
27.1 1 run
27.2 0 runs
27.3 1 run
27.4 4 runs
27.5 1 run
27.6 1 run

There can only be 6 deliveries in an over. So by DKs logic there were 7 deliveries which is impossible. Not only that 27.6 according to them would not be the "6th delivery" it would be a 7th which there's no such thing. And you cant bet on a "7th delivery". So how could I even bet on 27.6? I know they are looking at 27.3 and think thats the 4th delivery.

Am i wrong here?

[slayer14]

Yeah a wide ball is not a legal ball

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I believe DK is correct Woj :\

The wide still counts as a delivery on the bowler stats, so still counts as the first delivery of the over.

And there is often 7+ deliveries per over. Making up 6 legal balls bowled. A delivery does not have to be a legal ball.

[ThaWoj]

I believe DK is correct Woj :\

The wide still counts as a delivery on the bowler stats, so still counts as the first delivery of the over.

And there is often 7+ deliveries per over. Making up 6 legal balls bowled. A delivery does not have to be a legal ball.

Even though it specifically says "A wide ball in cricket does not count as a delivery"? So if I was live betting there would have been an option for total runs 7th delivery?

[Spite]

"West Indies women's cricket"

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Even though it specifically says "A wide ball in cricket does not count as a delivery"? So if I was live betting there would have been an option for total runs 7th delivery?

That google definition is poorly worded. But after it says it doesn't count as a delivery, it also says it does count as an illegal delivery. What they mean to say is it does not count as legal ball I think.

Imagine you are going to look at a box score for the match, would you expect the first ball of that over to be listed as a wide or 1 run?

I am just going from my years of playing and acting as team scorer. Never dealt with live betting ball numbering like this to know 100% for sure.

[ThaWoj]

That google definition is poorly worded. But after it says it doesn't count as a delivery, it also says it does count as an illegal delivery. What they mean to say is it does not count as legal ball I think.

Imagine you are going to look at a box score for the match, would you expect the first ball of that over to be listed as a wide or 1 run?

I am just going from my years of playing and acting as team scorer. Never dealt with live betting ball numbering like this to know 100% for sure.

I appreciate the help. In the box score on the app I use (sofa) they have 27.1 and 27.1 then 27.2 and so on. But if 27.6 is indeed "the 7th delivery" then there needs to be an option for 7th delivery over/under. DK sent me a screenshot of a box score showing 27.1W 27.1 27.2 and 27.3 being the 4th delivery even though 27.3 should be the 3rd delivery for scoring purposes. If I'm wrong I'm wrong I just want to know the correct answer.

[2Sweeet]

Your 100% wrong. The illegal delivery counts

[ThaWoj]

Your 100% wrong. The illegal delivery counts

So would 27.6 would have been a 7th delivery that I could have bet on?

[ThaWoj]

I found this on Bovada. I didnt see anything like this on DK but Im assuming all the books have the same rule.

For settlement purposes, all illegal balls count as deliveries. For example, if an over starts with a wide, then the first delivery will be settled as 1 and, although there has not been a legal ball bowled, the next ball will be deemed as delivery 2 for that over. If a delivery leads to a free hit or a free hit is to be re-bowled because of an illegal delivery, the runs scored off the additional delivery do not count. All runs, whether off the bat or not are included. For example, a wide with three extra runs taken equates to 4 runs in total off that delivery.

So it appears it is indeed a loss. Sucks losing a +380 that I thought I won.

[Spite]

I found this on Bovada. I didnt see anything like this on DK but Im assuming all the books have the same rule

Books definitely have different sets of rules. Especially if we are talking an offshore vs USA books. I know from betting Tennis that different books have different rules for the same scenarios.

[mjsuax13]

Woj, why are you betting this shit?

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I found this on Bovada. I didnt see anything like this on DK but Im assuming all the books have the same rule.

For settlement purposes, all illegal balls count as deliveries. For example, if an over starts with a wide, then the first delivery will be settled as 1 and, although there has not been a legal ball bowled, the next ball will be deemed as delivery 2 for that over. If a delivery leads to a free hit or a free hit is to be re-bowled because of an illegal delivery, the runs scored off the additional delivery do not count. All runs, whether off the bat or not are included. For example, a wide with three extra runs taken equates to 4 runs in total off that delivery.

So it appears it is indeed a loss. Sucks losing a +380 that I thought I won.

That makes sense and kind of matches with what I would expect. Not that it means all books would have the same rule.

One thing still bothering me is, does live betting really ignore anything that happens on the extra delivery? That does not seem intuitively correct to me.

[ThaWoj]

That makes sense and kind of matches with what I would expect. Not that it means all books would have the same rule.

One thing still bothering me is, does live betting really ignore anything that happens on the extra delivery? That does not seem intuitively correct to me.

I was thinking the same thing. Both dk and my host never responded back to me when I said I would contact the LA gaming commission if they didnt provide me with a proper explanation of the rule. The rule I referenced from bovada seems to only benefit the book with the extra runs not counting.

[ThaWoj]

Woj, why are you betting this shit?

I was trying to win a few bets to scrape some cash together and it was the only thing to bet on at 3am. I had noticed that the over 0.5 runs in the 27th and 28th overs were -200 where in the previous overs at least the last 4 or 5 it was only -170 so i started betting random over 1.5s at +380 in the 27th and 28th overs and actually hit a few.

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Woj, why are you betting this shit?

I would not be shocked if ball by ball cricket betting is the highest volume live betting activity in the world.

There are so many options and it moves so fast, it's almost like a slot machine style betting experience.

I think it is like betting crack for some people.

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I was thinking the same thing. Both dk and my host never responded back to me when I said I would contact the LA gaming commission if they didnt provide me with a proper explanation of the rule. The rule I referenced from bovada seems to only benefit the book with the extra runs not counting.

I would very much like for you to do that. I think it is the only way to be sure about this one. And will be interesting to know even if it doesn't get you paid.

If you just ask them to help clarify the grading terms, they should jump to handle an easy request like that LGCB@la.gov

[2Sweeet]

Woj it's the holidays I'm sure DK especially your host will get back to you at some point. I'm surprised we haven't seen this brought up before here. I was in a similar boat a few years back and got nowhere but this was an offshore.

[2Sweeet]

Also don't get your account locked by threating these clowns at DK they should refund your bet and say it's a one time only thing. I don't think cricket is bet heavily in the USA like other countries. But it is a loss according to the bs rules.

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So I live bet India and West Indies womens cricket.

28th over, 4th delivery, over 1.5 runs.
This is from the box score:

27.1 wide
27.1 1 run
27.2 0 runs
27.3 1 run
27.4 4 runs
27.5 1 run
27.6 1 run

Do you know when you placed the bet?

Was it before the over started or during it?

Was it after the first ball wide was bowled?

Was ball 4 the only active market when you bet?

If you PM me a screen shot of your ticket I will do what I can to confirm this for sure for you.

[mjsuax13]

I would not be shocked if ball by ball cricket betting is the highest volume live betting activity in the world.

There are so many options and it moves so fast, it's almost like a slot machine style betting experience.

I think it is like betting crack for some people.

Wow. Maybe I’m missing out. The ball by ball would drive me nuts.

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Wow. Maybe I’m missing out. The ball by ball would drive me nuts.

I don't think it's a good thing for bettors or the game.

It comes from Indian bookmakers, who have never had any ethics or oversight.


Imagine if there were live props on every single pitch in baseball.

Would probably be even bigger than cricket, and potentially devastating for action junkies.

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Sorry Woj. Got the definite answer.

Not sure how i missed this to start with, but they have it covered clearly here;

https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/help/sport-rules/cricket

[2Sweeet]

That's the rule everywhere I'm pretty sure. He said Bovada stated the same thing.

[mjsuax13]

I don't think it's a good thing for bettors or the game.

It comes from Indian bookmakers, who have never had any ethics or oversight.


Imagine if there were live props on every single pitch in baseball.

Would probably be even bigger than cricket, and potentially devastating for action junkies.

That’s the exact example I was thinking. Every single baseball pitch. Woof.

[4TH AND STUPID]

its hilarious watching how lost you guys are on cricket.

the 4th delivery is the fourth ball bowled regardless whether the first or any other ball was a wide.

source: im sbrs cricket king for years you can check my threads




sorry you lost the best but they graded it correctly as a loss and thats how it works at any book. theres nothing to discuss