Juan Soto Turns Down 15 Years $440M

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  • pavyracer
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 04-12-07
    • 82838

    #36
    Originally posted by milwaukee mike
    well in the 1970s the world series was getting 30-45 million viewers each game... now they struggle to even get 10 million

    more people cared about baseball back then
    How many TV stations carried the regular season in 1974? That's how TV deals are done now. The players salaries are tied to the TV deals and the contracts that players and owners have for revenue sharing.
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    • TheMoneyShot
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      • 02-14-07
      • 28672

      #37
      Originally posted by pavyracer
      How many TV stations carried the regular season in 1974? That's how TV deals are done now. The players salaries are tied to the TV deals and the contracts that players and owners have for revenue sharing.
      I still believe people aren't watching sports that often anymore. So... in theory... there has to be an equation of advertising dollars spent for commercials.... while these games are being played? So in all essence... there must be some dumb companies advertising during these games. With that being said.... these networks make an offer to have rights for these games. Sure... we don't know the exact equation... but more or less... advertising companies are paying the bill. Sure... they try and pass the bill to the cable/satellite companies... then to the viewer.... Still til this day... I refuse to pay Bally's Sports Regional in Detroit through DirecTV. 6th straight year without paying any extra fees. Signal is still on. They can shove it up their a$$.
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      • stevenash
        Moderator
        • 01-17-11
        • 65591

        #38
        Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
        I still believe people aren't watching sports that often anymore.
        They don't watch as often as they did say in the 60's before the 'net, and their entertainment options were pretty much limited.
        People still watch it, NFL is a guaranteed cash cow, even though I don't care to much for the NBA, the numbers don't lie, their numbers rose.
        NHL Stanley Cup did very well.

        Thing is today people cherry pick as to what they watch, and when they watch it.
        In 1960 you had to watch a baseball game when they aired it, if they aired it.
        In 2020 you can watch today's 2pm game on Tuesday at 4am if you wish.
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        • Chief Wahoo
          SBR MVP
          • 06-12-09
          • 1054

          #39
          Had to laugh at a Reds fan's comment either somewhere on here or Twitter stating he apparently turned down their offer of 5 years for $500k.
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          • stevenash
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            • 01-17-11
            • 65591

            #40
            Originally posted by Chief Wahoo
            Had to laugh at a Reds fan's comment either somewhere on here or Twitter stating he apparently turned down their offer of 5 years for $500k.
            Things could be even worse for Reds fans, Marge could still be the owner and Pete Rose could still be bench manager.
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            • Thor4140
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 02-09-08
              • 22296

              #41
              Originally posted by milwaukee mike
              how did we get to this point

              1976 hank aaron was highest paid player at 240,000... inflation since then in wages/etc is 5.21 which would make the highest paid player today about $1 million, not $30
              [IMG]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The federal government gave Moderna $2.5 billion to develop a COVID-19 vaccine. Meanwhile, Moderna&#39;s CEO just walked away from the company with a $926 million golden parachute. <br><br>This is what oligarchy looks like.</p>&mdash; Robert Reich (@RBReich) <a href="https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1548700810195910662?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >July 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/IMG]
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              • unde0087
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                • 03-27-08
                • 28952

                #42
                Originally posted by Thor4140
                [IMG]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The federal government gave Moderna $2.5 billion to develop a COVID-19 vaccine. Meanwhile, Moderna&#39;s CEO just walked away from the company with a $926 million golden parachute. <br><br>This is what oligarchy looks like.</p>&mdash; Robert Reich (@RBReich) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1548700810195910662?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >July 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/IMG]
                Jesus Thor, do you ever post anything that doesn't have anything to do with either Trump or Covid-19? Go back to the saloon and put Dr. Fauci's thumb back in your butthole.
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                • play4win
                  SBR MVP
                  • 06-23-11
                  • 2208

                  #43
                  zion should have rejected his rookie extension. so he reject a once in lifetime offer when he aint doing any damage/hype/potential. how cocky.
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                  • Chi_archie
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-22-08
                    • 63171

                    #44
                    Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                    well in the 1970s the world series was getting 30-45 million viewers each game... now they struggle to even get 10 million

                    more people cared about baseball back then

                    it's not about how many watched or cared.

                    it's the $ in tv contracts, corporate sponsorships, stadium naming rights.

                    owners have become much more wealthy than the owners.

                    in the 70s were there internet streaming ads? 50 year old men wearing hats and jerseys with the newest rookie? debs filled with posters and merch from face team? did stadiums have names like guaranteed rate field?

                    steinbrenner bought yanks for 9 million. what would they sell for now? 3 billion? do those figures match inflation?

                    how do beer price changes at mlb ballparks differ? private boxes? parking? how do those figures track with inflation?
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                    • Mr KLC
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                      • 12-19-07
                      • 31097

                      #45
                      Saw that he should be valued at 13 years $481 million ($37 million annually). I would take the AAV, but in no way the years.
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                      • stevenash
                        Moderator
                        • 01-17-11
                        • 65591

                        #46
                        Originally posted by jjgold
                        Pitching ALWAYS STOPS GOOD HITTERS

                        PLAYOFF BASEBALL IT IS CALLED
                        Absolutely correct.
                        I'm a super geek, and this is what super geeks do.

                        I spent a month (on and off) analyzing the past 25 (quarter century) years World Series champions, because I had a spirited debate with somebody who said hitting beats pitching, I said no, it's the other way around, pitching beats hitting.

                        So I did what I, super geek, always do.
                        I had to arm myself with data before I continued talking.

                        Even though those NY Yankee teams were stacked, they don't win shit without the rotation with Andy Pettitte, David Cone, Clemens, and a killer bullpen with the Jeff Nelson's, and Stanton's of the world. And that guy Mo, you know, the greatest ever at what he did, that being closing out games.

                        Angels won it all with just two hitters, Garrett Anderson and Troy Glaus, they don't win shit without solid starters and Troy Percival closing out games..

                        Giants won on the back of Mad Bum
                        KC Royals won with best bullpen we've seen in the past quarter century, that unit guaranteed a win if KC was tied or ahead after five innings.
                        And on and on and on

                        Past 25 years, 19 teams won with the better pitching staff or the pitching and hitting being equal.
                        Only six teams won on the backs of the offense.
                        You have the time? Do your research too, but trust your pal Nasher on this, these nerdy things I do is what I am, it's what I do.
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                        • BriGuy
                          SBR MVP
                          • 12-06-11
                          • 1556

                          #47
                          Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                          how did we get to this point

                          1976 hank aaron was highest paid player at 240,000... inflation since then in wages/etc is 5.21 which would make the highest paid player today about $1 million, not $30
                          Sports revenue has increased at a pace far faster than inflation, and it has trickled down to salaries.

                          Once revenue stops increasing - if that ever happens - salaries will plateau. In the meantime, blame the fans for continue to watch the sports, buy tickets, buy merchandise, etc.
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                          • milwaukee mike
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                            • 08-22-07
                            • 26914

                            #48
                            Originally posted by Chi_archie
                            it's not about how many watched or cared.

                            it's the $ in tv contracts, corporate sponsorships, stadium naming rights.

                            owners have become much more wealthy than the owners.

                            in the 70s were there internet streaming ads? 50 year old men wearing hats and jerseys with the newest rookie? debs filled with posters and merch from face team? did stadiums have names like guaranteed rate field?

                            steinbrenner bought yanks for 9 million. what would they sell for now? 3 billion? do those figures match inflation?

                            how do beer price changes at mlb ballparks differ? private boxes? parking? how do those figures track with inflation?
                            good points

                            but beer/parking is up about 5-10x since the 1970s, tickets are up 5-10x... salaries are up over 100x

                            1975 beer $0.80, average ticket $5... all-in cost for a family of four in 1975 was $40, in 1991 it was $80, now it's $200... not ridiculous

                            the ad money/rights and getting taxpayers to pay for stadiums/etc is certainly a primary driver of salaries... if teams had to pay for their own $500 million stadiums and upkeep then of course salaries would be nowhere close to what they are... so essentially taxpayers are paying these ridiculous salaries
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                            • stevenash
                              Moderator
                              • 01-17-11
                              • 65591

                              #49
                              Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                              good points

                              but beer/parking is up about 5-10x since the 1970s, tickets are up 5-10x... salaries are up over 100x

                              1975 beer $0.80, average ticket $5... all-in cost for a family of four in 1975 was $40, in 1991 it was $80, now it's $200... not ridiculous

                              the ad money/rights and getting taxpayers to pay for stadiums/etc is certainly a primary driver of salaries... if teams had to pay for their own $500 million stadiums and upkeep then of course salaries would be nowhere close to what they are... so essentially taxpayers are paying these ridiculous salaries
                              I still attend about a dozen or so games a year, thing is I won't pay the food concession prices.
                              I'm not a cheap fuk by any means, that's not the issue here, I refuse to pay twelve dollars for a 24 ounce cup of keg beer, or eight dollars for a hot dog just on principle alone.

                              It's one thing they got 120 dollars for my ticket, it's just wrong to pay that kind of my for a dog and a beer.
                              I'm more than capable of sitting and watching a game for 3 1/2 hours without food or drink.
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                              • pilebuck13
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 05-15-15
                                • 17918

                                #50
                                Originally posted by stevenash
                                I still attend about a dozen or so games a year, thing is I won't pay the food concession prices.
                                I'm not a cheap fuk by any means, that's not the issue here, I refuse to pay twelve dollars for a 24 ounce cup of keg beer, or eight dollars for a hot dog just on principle alone.

                                It's one thing they got 120 dollars for my ticket, it's just wrong to pay that kind of my for a dog and a beer.
                                I'm more than capable of sitting and watching a game for 3 1/2 hours without food or drink.
                                That’s part of the experience, go to a concert game amusement park movie theater just pay for the concessions it is what it is
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                                • TheLock
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 04-06-08
                                  • 14427

                                  #51
                                  People get all triggered when the elitist of the elite baseball players on the planet gets a huge contract but no one cares how people afford to live on Billionaires Row in Manhattan
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                                  • TheLock
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 04-06-08
                                    • 14427

                                    #52
                                    One thing working against Soto (it’s small but it’s something) is that he’s the 45th best player in baseball THIS year.
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                                    • stevenash
                                      Moderator
                                      • 01-17-11
                                      • 65591

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by pilebuck13
                                      That’s part of the experience, go to a concert game amusement park movie theater just pay for the concessions it is what it is
                                      If I were a very casual fan, or a tourist in Chicago, or Boston, for instance and Wrigley or Fenway is on their checklists of landmarks to see, then yes, totally agree. No question.

                                      As a baseball junkie, who goes to games 12-18 times a season for baseball reasons only, NO, I do OK for myself and my family, I could afford 60 dollars for myself a game on what is pretty much junk food 18 times a season.

                                      Doesn't make sense.
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                                      • Thor4140
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 02-09-08
                                        • 22296

                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by unde0087
                                        Jesus Thor, do you ever post anything that doesn't have anything to do with either Trump or Covid-19? Go back to the saloon and put Dr. Fauci's thumb back in your butthole.
                                        No comment on the 926 mil this guy got but you are all in when it comes to a sports athlete being paid. 926 million is very close too a billion if you have trouble with math.
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                                        • Thor4140
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 02-09-08
                                          • 22296

                                          #55
                                          BTW didn’t Rendon get this kind of money? Could be the worst money spent on someone in history.
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                                          • stevenash
                                            Moderator
                                            • 01-17-11
                                            • 65591

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by TheLock
                                            People get all triggered when the elitist of the elite baseball players on the planet gets a huge contract but no one cares how people afford to live on Billionaires Row in Manhattan
                                            I'm all for the elite of the elite getting what they can, guys like Judge, and before him Griffey Jr. for example put in a lifetime of blood sweat and tears beginning from the age of eight to get to the point where they are at.

                                            The greatest of the greats not only have to be born with talent, they still have to work tirelessly at developing their craft, mostly in blazing heat in Arizona, or Florida, the (pardon the pun) the hot beds of baseball

                                            I was a catcher, a good hitter too.
                                            I was primary DH, backup catcher.
                                            The starting catcher had better defensive skills than me, but I could rake.
                                            Line drive doubles type of hitter, not a lot of HR power, some, not a lot.
                                            I played up to scholastic level. At that level I was good, but that was a far as it went.
                                            I was not good enough to even tryout for the Cape Code League, and at 5' 8", not big enough either.

                                            My point being in my usual long winded way is, as a catcher I know about the work that has to be put in, and the bruises the body takes.
                                            I used to catch a guy, we're still friends, who at the age of 17 had a freakish fastball, his heater topped 90 MPH, thirty years ago most minor league pros weren't even topping 90 mph.

                                            I'm warming him up between innings, one of his heaters caught my catchers mitt in a fashion that snapped by thumb straight back.
                                            Thirty years later I still feel the effects, that thumb still doesn't work right. So I know what needs to be done to be elite.

                                            What's elite?
                                            Top two percent? Four percent?
                                            1200 MLB players on the forty man rosters.
                                            Two percent would be 24 players.
                                            They deserve top dollar, for sure.

                                            My problem is with the bottom four percent, say bottom 50, or even bottom 100, are they really worth the minimum 700,00 dollars.
                                            Really?
                                            But I do understand supply and demand, and baseball has always had a shortage of good left handed pitchers.
                                            So if the demand is for a lefty with a live arm, no matter the skill set or talent, he's going to be overpaid, simply because the lack of players.

                                            That's one of the reasons why I'm big of meritocracy, you should get what you get based on metit.
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