A perfect example of f@cked up US books

**TheMoneyShot** · 06-03-22, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by newton0038

Do these fuktard CEOs not see its a volume based business. By the fuk, Pinnacle has been operating for what 30 years of the volume. Hence when they offer -108 lines they get the volume and don't "bet" on a side ir the outcome.

Adjusting lines or vig is how the book balances. They Wall Street assclowns shit their silk sheets when they hear they lost 100k to a player. That's all they think of is that one "Motherfuker beat us, close his account immediately and withhold his funds for a while...fuk him." They don't see the other side losing plays that make their profits.

Basis if the business is quantified risk management of line and vig.

"PAY THIS MAN HIS MONEY, HE WON IT FAIR AND SQUARE"
TEDDY KGB

It's the advertising dollars. Unfortunately.... these USA Books are spending god awful amounts of money on advertising. Then.... they want to rip off the player. They are doing it half ass backwards. Change the budget on the advertising.... and welcome the PLAYER. Simple formula.... no need to have a Harvard Business Degree like these asinine C.E.O.'s

**Miz** · 06-03-22, 05:35 PM

i love all the state govts that think sports betting is the new bail out fund revenue generator. This is just like state lotteries and casino expansion in years past. I hope they continue to treat everyone poorly, so the offshores can continue to flourish, while offering a much better product. Govt and corporate fckstick CEOs ruin anything they touch. Superbook is the only US book that can even come close to offshore.

**pavyracer** · 06-03-22, 05:36 PM

Why they call it a US book? This happened in Canada.

**Optional** · 06-03-22, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Why they call it a US book? This happened in Canada.

It's mostly talking about US books limiting people or putting delays and trader referrals on players.

BetRegal move was just the worst thing mentioned.

Worth a read: https://www.covers.com/industry/spor...rs-june-1-2022

**d2bets** · 06-03-22, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Optional

It's mostly talking about US books limiting people or putting delays and trader referrals on players.

BetRegal move was just the worst thing mentioned.

Worth a read: https://www.covers.com/industry/spor...rs-june-1-2022

Good stuff. Thanks. That Regal thing is nuts. That's the one thing the S books seem to be OK on. I'm not sure I've every heard of a US books cancelling an accepted wager. Spooling for sure though.

**Crusherrr** · 06-03-22, 10:07 PM

This is why Circa is the most promising. Wish they had more markets and were in more states.

They are willing to use their winners to LEARN from.

**d2bets** · 06-03-22, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Crusherrr

This is why Circa is the most promising. Wish they had more markets and were in more states.

They are willing to use their winners to LEARN from.

Absolutely. They are expanding. Building their first physical book outside of Nevada in Illinois.

**mcaulay777** · 06-04-22, 03:05 PM

Barstool does not want winning players because Portnoy needs all that money to spend on traveling around the country eating Pizza!

**lonegambler23** · 06-04-22, 09:11 PM

portnoy pos. and pays for his gfs time

**Smokey McPot** · 06-04-22, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by Crusherrr

This is why Circa is the most promising. Wish they had more markets and were in more states.

They are willing to use their winners to LEARN from.

This should be obvious to any book. If someone is beating the closer consistently don’t boot them, just let them bet your limit only and use their plays to shape your numbers. This is bookmaking 101 and should not even be a topic of discussion.

**JacketFan81** · 06-04-22, 11:10 PM

Remember when SBR said all the offshore books would die an ugly death at the hands of the US books. Suckers lol

**stevenash** · 06-05-22, 12:18 AM

KVB actually brought this to my attention last week.

Normally I stay far away from exotics, such as three way same game parlays,

However I had strong opinions on a Celtic game the previous series.
I'll cut to the chase.

So I bet the three way same game, lo and behold, all three legs cashed (two props and a total) for a tad over 1200
I was multi tasking at the time, so I didn't break out my trusty parlay calculator to see if I was getting correct odds with the so called 50 percent boost.
Turns out, after the fact, I did not get correct odds.

This was at US based DK book.

A few days ago I had three strong opinions on Game 1.
Before I entered them this time I factored in everything,
The odds they were offering me were a tad over 8:1, where as the true odds were about 11:1

I want to call out DK on this with an email, just haven't gotten around to it yet.

**TheMoneyShot** · 06-05-22, 12:56 AM

^

DK offers some pretty good odds. I'm surprised in your situation it didn't add up to your expectations? I don't have an account with them but I just like to scan their odds from time to time... and match them with offshore.

**goduke** · 06-05-22, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by stevenash

KVB actually brought this to my attention last week.

Normally I stay far away from exotics, such as three way same game parlays,

However I had strong opinions on a Celtic game the previous series.
I'll cut to the chase.

So I bet the three way same game, lo and behold, all three legs cashed (two props and a total) for a tad over 1200
I was multi tasking at the time, so I didn't break out my trusty parlay calculator to see if I was getting correct odds with the so called 50 percent boost.
Turns out, after the fact, I did not get correct odds.

This was at US based DK book.

A few days ago I had three strong opinions on Game 1.
Before I entered them this time I factored in everything,
The odds they were offering me were a tad over 8:1, where as the true odds were about 11:1

I want to call out DK on this with an email, just haven't gotten around to it yet.

A few of the US books do this. They offer the “boost” on the front page but then if you manually go find the exact items and put them together yourself you’ll find it’s not always a boost and the odds are better doing it yourself.

**Optional** · 06-05-22, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by JacketFan81

Remember when SBR said all the offshore books would die an ugly death at the hands of the US books. Suckers lol

Quote that!

The way I recall it was a bunch of wombats like you coming on here when regulation was announced saying how great it was offshore books would all die as they were so unfair and now players had the law on their side.

As an SBR rep I have been explaining that what is happening is exactly what would happen. Bet you can't quote any other rep saying different either.

Just some sad posters like yourself trying to enjoy a little schadenfreude.

**JacketFan81** · 06-05-22, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Quote that!

The way I recall it was a bunch of wombats like you coming on here when regulation was announced saying how great it was offshore books would all die as they were so unfair and now players had the law on their side.

As an SBR rep I have been explaining that what is happening is exactly what would happen. Bet you can't quote any other rep saying different either.

Just some sad posters like yourself trying to enjoy a little schadenfreude.

I didn't mean SBR as a whole.... More like the majority of the posters on the forum. But you have to admit, quickly abandoning offshore odds for Caesar's or DK isn't great for optics.

I'll never gamble on a US book as long as I live (unless it's in-person in AC, like I probably will next week). I definitely would never claim the "offshore books will die."

**Optional** · 06-05-22, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by JacketFan81

I didn't mean SBR as a whole.... More like the majority of the posters on the forum. But you have to admit, quickly abandoning offshore odds for Caesar's or DK isn't great for optics.

I'll never gamble on a US book as long as I live (unless it's in-person in AC, like I probably will next week). I definitely would never claim the "offshore books will die."

Oh ok, you made it sound like SBR itself was saying that rubbish.

And yeah, it would have been nice if new company was ready to make all it's changes at time of changeover so the replacement was in place as soon as old stuff removed.

**jjgold** · 06-05-22, 10:12 AM

The biggest problem USA books are facing they are limiting many players to quickly

It makes no sense all those players are eventually going to lose all that money and way more but that’s what happens when you’re using euro risk management

Draftking stock is lower than ever before

Perks drying up other than new signups

**KiDBaZkiT** · 06-05-22, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

The biggest problem USA books are facing they are limiting many players to quickly

It makes no sense all those players are eventually going to lose all that money and way more but that’s what happens when you’re using euro risk management

Draftking stock is lower than ever before

Perks drying up other than new signups

JJ they are brand new. You think Chik-Fil-A was able to crush those 25 car drive-thru lines in less than 5 minutes when they first started? No. Every person ragging the US books fails to realize it is written on many offshore websites rule books they do not cater to professionals and have the right to seize your account anytime they want. I’ve only dealt with Nevada books and I would take them over Mexican btc books any day of the week.