Very strange post. I’m one sentence you say black coaches can’t win ever and next sentence you talk about how Tomlin and Dungy both did. If Barry Switzer can win a super bowl, anybody can. Regardless of color. Players are what matters. Sdiego has the dumbest coach ever and he’s white and all analytics.
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Tua and Flores didn’t get along and ownership sided with Tua, simple as that.
People forget that Flores took over an absolute trainwreck of a team that continued to dump their best players even after the season had started. Guy is a good coach and will do well when he lands at a better spot.Comment -
What will MinnyFats do if Vikings hire Flores as a coach?Comment -
Tomlin has never had a losing season in 15 years. This year was his best coaching job ever with a shit team. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
10 6 0 .625 1st in AFC North 0 1 .000 Lost to Jacksonville Jaguars in AFC Wild Card Game 12 4 0 .750 1st in AFC North 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XLIII champions 9 7 0 .563 3rd in AFC North — — — — 12 4 0 .750 1st in AFC North 2 1 .667 Lost to Green Bay Packers in Super Bowl XLV 12 4 0 .750 2nd in AFC North 0 1 .000 Lost to Denver Broncos in AFC Wild Card Game 8 8 0 .500 3rd in AFC North — — — — 8 8 0 .500 2nd in AFC North — — — — 11 5 0 .688 1st in AFC North 0 1 .000 Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Wild Card Game 10 6 0 .625 2nd in AFC North 1 1 .500 Lost to Denver Broncos in AFC Divisional Game 11 5 0 .688 1st in AFC North 2 1 .667 Lost to New England Patriots in AFC Championship Game 13 3 0 .813 1st in AFC North 0 1 .000 Lost to Jacksonville Jaguars in AFC Divisional Game 9 6 1 .594 2nd in AFC North — — — — 8 8 0 .500 2nd in AFC North — — — — 12 4 0 .750 1st in AFC North 0 1 .000 Lost to Cleveland Browns in AFC Wild Card Game 9 7 1 .559 2nd in AFC North — — — — Comment -
Yeah this one is a head scratcher. He had a team that before the season you could argue probably wasn't going anywhere yet he won 7 in a row and had them briefly in the playoff conversation despite not having much to work with. They'll regret this one unless they can hit a home run with their next hire but its tough to see them doing better than Flores.Comment -
Fats you see black n white n it makes u a fukin retard. End of story. Get an education bro 😎
one day when u end up in icu dying from some retarded shyt u did and wake up from ur anesthesia and see the black life that saved you, what r u gonna say...u r not gonna say shyt bc you r a fukin retard stupid bytch and that black face is gonna look at u and smile...just remember thisComment -
Surprised by the firing as well.... Miami isn't going anywhere... if Tua stays.... that team is going to suck.
Maybe it's a good thing Flores can go to a better team.Comment -
I still kind of like Joe Judge but he was starting to crack up at the end there.
I'd be OK with Flores to the G-Men.
Harbaugh too.
Fangio should be a DC somewhere, he's not HC material.Comment -
Bad ownerships will never win anything.
Miami treated Fitzpatrick like dirt and all he ever did was bust his butt to win.
Oh, yes - press Tua into playing before he was ready and get him hurt and lose 2 games and give up already and say let’s trade him for Watson.
Give up on a coach that wins 8 of 9.
This ownership is a Shiite show and is hurting Miami fans and their chance to have a respectable team.
There are a lot of coaching openings out there. Miami will not get one of the top prospect coaches.Comment -
Hmmmm
It's just facts bud, just facts.
The game, game planning and emphasis on offense is so specialized now its insane.
Of the limited # of black HCs in history, how many were defensive coordinators prior vs offensive? I honestly don't know, but I'm going to suggest 80% or more.
Defense is no longer an option in NFL. The best D coordinator of the last w5 years, Mike Zimmer, literally finished last in defense 2 years in a row and missed the playoffs twice despite having 6 all pros on offensive.
That's all that matters in the NFL now is offensive. Be the 1st team to 24 points you win 92% of your games, score 28.5 you win 98.5% and score over 31.5 you win 99%.
Offensive is the new defense. The black coach isn't there yet in strategy because there isn't successful black QB play...black QB play is still sandlot football and it does not win...and that's why black HCs don't win.Comment -
Been around a long time, doesn't surprise me.
There are 2 tiers, management and personnel. The brass wants to get credit, they want to be liked. The personnel thinks it's about results. Those don't always mix.
Unless Flores gets along with the owner and his cronies, it doesn't matter if he won the Super Bowl. Jimmy Johnson took a 1-15 and went 12-4 his last season and got fired.
These guys in the upper brass live on yachts and homes and country clubs. Whether the team wins the Super Bowl, it really doesn't matter UNLESS it makes them look good and they get the credit for it.Comment -
And no it doesn't have to do with race unless...
This guy gets all the credit and notoriety for being a black coach who succeeded. The problem with that is once that happens, it's near impossible to fire the guy without the public going nuts.Comment -
he lost 7 games in a row to start season you cannot forget that if they started out 3 n 4 they be in playoffs
Miami never really had strong roster i blame the suits and scouts for thisComment -
The probably made up their minds at the beginning of the season.
These guys in the brass are in charge of hundreds of employees and they are prone to making snap uneducated judgments that are hard to change, because they don't have the time or desire to deal with thinking.
The formula to success is obvious-it has always been hire football guys and let them run the football team. With teams like Jax, Washington, Denver, Detroit, yes Miami, it never matters-because football guys do not run the team. The owner and his cronies do.
Like Jay Gruden said, they had the draft all carefully planned out until Snyder gets off his yacht and says we're picking Haskins.
We got Khan at Jax firing Urban Meyer wouldn't even give this guy more than 3/4 of a season for a team that can never get out of the basement. Why? Media pressure and image.
It goes on and on.Comment -
So far, no.
His job was safe up to the week before the Washington game, then he started to show signs the job was getting to him.
He started talking about culture, then he indirectly called WFT a 'clown show' which was a little bit odd all things considered which didn't go over very well with Mr. Mara.
What pissed off Mr. Mara more than anything though was the 20,000 no shows at Met Life.
Giants are always sold out, that embarrassed him to no end.
Gettleman was clearly the problem.
He had no concept of how a draft works.
I still don't know what Danny Jones can do with a 100 percent Barkley, Engram, Sheppard, Toney, Slayton, Golloday on the field together, because the core of that group have played together for just five games in three years, largely due to injuries because Gettleman failed to put together a competent front o-line that could actually throw a block.
So it looks like Dave Ziegler (Pats) may come over to replace Gettleman, maybe Ossenfort from the Titans (who's name is now on a lot of wish lists besides the Giants), if they don't stay in house with Abrams.
Ossenfort is the logical play as he and Judge both worked together well under Belichick a few years back.
The plan right now at QB is bring in a veteran backup QB or get something in this years draft (but it's a very thin QB draft) and have an open preseason competition with Danny Jones.
We have pieces that can compete for a wild card next season, defense is fine, the offensive line is offensive and if that's not addressed it's another four win season even if they raise Vince Lombardi from the dead to coach.Last edited by stevenash; 01-11-22, 03:30 PM.Comment -
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Lombardi Says Brian Flores Told Tua He Wished He'd Drafted Mac Jones <a href="https://t.co/WrTZGecIrC">https://t.co/WrTZGecIrC</a> <a href="https://t.co/PhMU1BcYr5">pic.twitter.com/PhMU1BcYr5</a></p>— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) <a href="https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1481751680786051072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >January 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Comment -
Media now pushing this Hebert BS story Flores is pushing. I call BS on this. Hebert had plenty of top NFL guys who thought he wasn't going to be any good and wasn't worth a high pick. If Flores was so high on Hebert he should have been out there saying that before the draft.
Flores is going to get hired, and that team will likely regret it. He did an OK job with Miami, but his two biggest games, he got his doors blown off: Buffalo in week 16 last year and Tennessee week 16 this year.
Hiring fired NFL coaches weeks or days after they get fired rarely works. For every Andy Reid, remember Adams Gase, Eric Mangini, Rex Ryan and John Fox, all hired days after getting canned from their prior jobs because they were such good coaches. All were fired in their next stop within 3 years.Last edited by Seattle Slew; 01-14-22, 10:51 PM.Comment -
They will hire Flores to meet the minority requirement and fire him in a year or two. Then they'll pay tens of millions for the next guy.
He has no chance.Comment -
I do think it will help him. The media is now running wild with "Tomlin the only black head coach" now.
They pulled this a couple years ago, and what happened? Vance Joseph in Denver, who had absolutely no business getting a head coachig job and of course flamed out. And Steve Wilkes in Arizona, who was worse than Joseph in the credentials department. Fired after one season, although I will say Wilkes got a bad deal in Arizona.
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Tomlin ONLY successful with Cowhers QB
Once Ben gone Tomlin a nobodyComment -
Big Ben has been God Awful the last few years. He's the main reason the Steelers have not been back to the SB. Tomlin had to bite his tongue and say nice things about Ben, hoping, wishing he would retire, year after year. You'll never hear it from him but all my Steelers buddies all say that Ben needed to fukkking go 6 years ago.Comment -
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Guy is 21- 10 last 2 years w 55 tds
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How'd Pit do when Ben was hurt on 19?
Who's their QB this year? You think Tomlin going to have a winning record w out his safety net?Comment -
Steelers' Ike Taylor Says Big Ben Should Retire, QB's Setting Team Back
STEELERS' IKE TAYLORROETHLISBERGER SHOULD RETIRE... QB's Setting Team Back
Ben Roethlisbergershould call it a career ... so says his former teammate Ike Taylor, who tells TMZ Sports the QB NOT retiring this offseason could hurt the team for years down the road.
Ike kept it real with us when breaking down Ben's future ... saying while the 38-year-old has more than earned the right to play in Pittsburgh next season, he's not sure if it's the greatest move for the franchise.
"You're setting them back a year or two or three [with a comeback]," Taylor says of the Steelers. "The reason why I think you're setting them back is because you've seen the progression in Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow -- before he got hurt -- and Baker Mayfield."
"So, we're talking about three young quarterbacks in one division. Who you going to pick last?"Comment -
Its not hard to figure out, the Dolphins need to develop a quarterback and improve offensively, Flores is an old-school defensive coach, the fit isn't right. Nothing to do with race, he's not the guy for them.Comment -
You can see why the Dolphins owner wanted to fire Flores IF he asked the coach to tank the team. He's supposedly up for Federal prosecution if true. Now you know why owners want yes men.
Jimmy Johnson said the problem with Urban Meyer was he didn't clear out the coaching staff when he came in, and put in a bunch of yes men. The reports of dissent and bad behavior of Urban supposedly came from within his coaching staff.
This is serious stuff for the people involved.Comment -
There are good coaches who are black and white, Tomlin is absolute trash.
He inherited a super bowl team that had a hall of fame quarterback. No coach who has a hall of fame quarterback should have a losing record.
Tomlin is below .500 against below .500 teams and his teams have underperformed almost every year in the playoffs.
He doesn't understand situational football and his game planning is trash, he cost the Steelers many games against Brady playing horrible zone defenses that never had a chance.
The Steelers have no culture either, look at Antonio Brown, Smith-Schuster dancing on opposing teams logos minutes before kickoff and posting videos on social media about that. The Steelers always underperformed with Tomlin.
Any fool can win more games than they lose with a hall of fame quarterback and top wide receiver and running back. Tomlin always underperformed.Comment -
As for what happens next, I have been around a long time.
Someone picks it up. Remember when Jerry Jones had everyone take a knee around the league, and that was the end of the Kaepernick saga.
And, someone is going to take the fall. Maybe someone they picked out ahead of time.
In the end, it all gets back to normal. Maybe not this year, maybe 10 years from now. They put together the Rooney Rule almost 20 years ago, they hired black coaches, and now there's 1 black coach.
They will come up with some rules to placate the outrage out there. But these rules they come up with don't work. For example, one of the things Floyd said he was upset about was that he was interviewed as a courtesy only. Well, the Rooney rule says to do exactly that, you need to interview minority coaches, doesn't mean you have to hire them.
Back to this circus, this carousel I've been watching for decades. When all is said and done, it's a waste of time.
The bigger issue is football injuries. With all the players getting injured, and less parents willing to have their kids play football, you gotta wonder how long this lasts.Comment
