Vikings fire coach for refusing vaccine

**coop-dog** · 07-23-21, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

It's a passive and unverified reporting system by individuals and open to manipulation, especially now. But more importantly, that data does not establish cause-and effect. Just because there are 10,000 (or whatever number) of people dying sometime after taking the vaccine does not establish causation. These are not verified cases with causes of death established. As I said, when you take half of the population, of course there are going to be unexplained deaths. There are always will be. So if you hear your cousin Johnny suddenly died of a heart attack and you think "gosh, I had no idea I thought he was healthy" you're probably going to jump to "musta been the vaccine". Ignoring the fact that people have always died unexpectedly. I've had many people in the past die unexpectedly. But not some people think every unexpected death is the vaxx.

Here's a guide. I doubt it will help you, but here it is: https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

Studys have shown 5 percent at best are reported to vaers the number is actually much much higher

**d2bets** · 07-23-21, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by coop-dog

Studys have shown 5 percent at best are reported to vaers the number is actually much much higher

"Studys" (sic)? What studies? And again, unless you establish cause-and-effect, or perhaps establish a true statistical anomoly of deaths, it's totally insignificant. I have not seen any anomoloy of excess death among vaccinated population. We know we had massive excess death last year and then through February. But it's dropped off like a rock since. There is still a small excess death rate currently, but over the last 3 months it's the lowest it's been since April 2020. Unfortunately, that may be jumping back up a little soon. Especially in states like Missouri, Arkansas, Florida and Louisiana.

In fact, you can dig deeper by state and see that New York over the last couple months is below death expectation after having terrible spikes in April and in the winter.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.

You can learn a lot when you go to the actual data and stop consuming fake news sites.

If in fact the vaccine was killing, you;d expect to see more excess deaths in the states that are most vaxxed and less in the least vaxxed states. But in fact, it's just the opposite. Clearly, the vaccine is saving lives.

Take a look at the most vaxxed sates -- Vermont and Massachussetts -- excess death is gone.

**coop-dog** · 07-23-21, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

"Studys" (sic)? What studies? And again, unless you establish cause-and-effect, or perhaps establish a true statistical anomoly of deaths, it's totally insignificant. I have not seen any anomoloy of excess death among vaccinated population. We know we had massive excess death last year and then through February. But it's dropped off like a rock since. There is still a small excess death rate currently, but over the last 3 months it's the lowest it's been since April 2020. Unfortunately, that may be jumping back up a little soon. Especially in states like Missouri, Arkansas, Florida and Louisiana.

In fact, you can dig deeper by state and see that New York over the last couple months is below death expectation after having terrible spikes in April and in the winter.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.

You can learn a lot when you go to the actual data and stop consuming fake news sites.

If in fact the vaccine was killing, you;d expect to see more excess deaths in the states that are most vaxxed and less in the least vaxxed states. But in fact, it's just the opposite. Clearly, the vaccine is saving lives.

Take a look at the most vaxxed sates -- Vermont and Massachussetts -- excess death is gone.

You just reminded me off stats i saw on world deaths over last ten years.and last year was lower then 10 year average.so i would say more deaths of natural cause were labeled covid deaths.

**hehfest** · 07-23-21, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by Brock Landers

Suck my dick motherfuckers

You better hope I don't turn loose with my rage which is a ticking time-bomb because I'd cut your dick off and staple it in your mouth then I'd call you a permanent cawksucker.

**lakerboy** · 07-23-21, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

There are lots of smart people in the NFL.............many will not take the vaccine.

Lol. NFL has the lowest IQ of any league. Look at the NFLPA.

**d2bets** · 07-23-21, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by coop-dog

You just reminded me off stats i saw on world deaths over last ten years.and last year was lower then 10 year average.so i would say more deaths of natural cause were labeled covid deaths.

Now you're switching to world deaths? Focus on the pandemic in the US. US deaths from April 2020 to January 2021 were off-the-charts excess high. Unmistakably high with two distinct peaks following surges in cases. You have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not see what happened. And the whole idea of excess deaths takes the natural cause off the table. We typically do see a month or two of excess death in serious flu seasons. Not every year, but some years we see a little excess death in the winter. But we've never in our lifetime seen what we saw from 4/20 to 1/21. You just can't get around it.

**coop-dog** · 07-23-21, 10:21 PM

tuskegee experiment is why blacks are least vaccinated and rightfully so.They have 0 faith in government and i dont blame any black person who refuses shot.

**d2bets** · 07-23-21, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by coop-dog

tuskegee experiment is why blacks are least vaccinated and rightfully so.They have 0 faith in government and i dont blame any black person who refuses shot.

JFC man, you're all over the place. How do you even function?

**coop-dog** · 07-23-21, 10:24 PM

[QUOTE=d2bets;30434148]Now you're switching to world deaths? Focus on the pandemic in the US. US deaths from April 2020 to January 2021 were off-the-charts excess high. Unmistakably high with two distinct peaks following surges in cases. You have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not see what happened. And the whole idea of excess deaths takes the natural cause off the table. We typically do see a month or two of excess death in serious flu seasons. Not every year, but some years we see a little excess death in the winter. But we've never in our lifetime seen what we saw from 4/20 to 1/21.

**unde0087** · 07-23-21, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Brock Landers

Suck my dick motherfuckers

You are truly a worthless pile of shit, no surprise you are a liberal fuk. You know why you are always alone in all your videos? Because you owe everyone you know money so you can't hang out with anyone because you have no money to pay them back. Fits in well with being a truck driver so no one can ever pin your ass down to shake you down. Blow it out your ass numbnuts.

**coop-dog** · 07-23-21, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Now you're switching to world deaths? Focus on the pandemic in the US. US deaths from April 2020 to January 2021 were off-the-charts excess high. Unmistakably high with two distinct peaks following surges in cases. You have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not see what happened. And the whole idea of excess deaths takes the natural cause off the table. We typically do see a month or two of excess death in serious flu seasons. Not every year, but some years we see a little excess death in the winter. But we've never in our lifetime seen what we saw from 4/20 to 1/21. You just can't get around it.

do you think a large number of covid deaths were false covid deaths just for political reasons? Example billy gets head blown off with shot gun but had covid so stats say billy died with or from covid

**masr** · 07-23-21, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

How could a liberal argue with you idiots an your alternative facts? I am not even sure what most of you are. You sure as hell are not conservatives. It is almost like some of you are from another planet. By the way say hi to that nut from Ga you idiots elected. She also has trouble debating liberals with her alternative facts.

I'm not in GA ..I have no idea who your talking about.
You seem like a Jeffrey Toobin fan..

**d2bets** · 07-23-21, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by coop-dog

do you think a large number of covid deaths were false covid deaths just for political reasons? Example billy gets head blown off with shot gun but had covid so stats say billy died with or from covid

Again, how do you get around the massive spikes in excess deaths from all causes? What caused it?

I don't think you understand what this means. Do you?

If you look at the excess death rate, it's actually probable that covid deaths were underreported not overreported. The excess death rate was a bit higher than the covid death rate.

Again, how you you explain the fact that something like 500,000 more people died between April 2020 and January 2021 than would have otherwise been expected to die over those months based on death rate data and modeling? You can't blame that on the vaccine.

**coop-dog** · 07-23-21, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

JFC man, you're all over the place. How do you even function?

Was response to laker boy comment about blacks

**masr** · 07-23-21, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by MinnesotaFats

LOL

....and how many people died from COVID who were UNDER the average life expectancy already & healthy?

Not a lot of them

Stop calling this a vaccine, it's not immunity. This is a sports site, we've seen HUNDREDS of athletes that are vaxxed test positive. They don't show symptoms or die....just like 99% of the population.

Stop w the bullshit. Let this joke run its course and be done w it.

They cant....seems like the graphene/ 5G is really working...lol

**goduke** · 07-23-21, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

hope the guy gets a good gig somewhere eventually in the league or out

no one knows his story. maybe his doctor has specifically advised him to not get for some health reason like prior endocarditis, maybe he has a kidney transplant, maybe it's religious, maybe it would be a bad combination with meds he is on, maybe he had a brother take the vax and die the next day.

prob the libtards will be the one's quick to judge a man before they know all the facts

religious reasons and medical reasons are allowed to be exempt from getting it. It says in the article

**Fidel_CashFlow** · 07-23-21, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

China knew exactly what they were doing when they unleashed this poison. They knew Western folks would be divided.

Lockdowns created division.
Covid actual danger vs perceived danger created division.
Vaccines now creating division.

Notice how no liberals have one bad thing to say about China?

Crazy isn't it , and so glaring ,about opinions on China

BTW, Fukk you BrockLanders . You'd walk around in
public with cumm on your face for a 20 dollar bill

**coop-dog** · 07-23-21, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Again, how do you get around the massive spikes in excess deaths from all causes? What caused it?

I don't think you understand what this means. Do you?

If you look at the excess death rate, it's actually probable that covid deaths were underreported not overreported. The excess death rate was a bit higher than the covid death rate.

Again, how you you explain the fact that something like 500,000 more people died between April 2020 and January 2021 than would have otherwise been expected to die over those months based on death rate data and modeling? You can't blame that on the vaccine.

Suicide is up people not going to hospitals and getting screening is up huge.drug abuse and muder is up huge .these lock downs are no joke

**packerd_00** · 07-23-21, 10:35 PM

Im guessing most of these guys wear masks while driving in their cars.

**goduke** · 07-23-21, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

China knew exactly what they were doing when they unleashed this poison. They knew Western folks would be divided.

Lockdowns created division.
Covid actual danger vs perceived danger created division.
Vaccines now creating division.

Notice how no liberals have one bad thing to say about China?

Because what purpose does it serve? Lets say they caused it on purpose just to go along with this narrative. We are the only ones at fault because together as a country we are stupid. As a country we need to stop finding scapegoats and start finding a common ground amongst people.

**d2bets** · 07-23-21, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by coop-dog

Suicide is up people not going to hospitals and getting screening is up huge.drug abuse and muder is up huge .these lock downs are no joke

God you're stupid if you think that explains the excess death spikes between April 2020 to January 2021.

I just can't argue anymore with stupid.

**unde0087** · 07-23-21, 10:40 PM

The thing I love about the left. When you talk about the termination of live fetuses daily.......liberals say "my body, my choice", then the same fuk will turn around to another person and criticize them on not taking a vaccination shot.

**goduke** · 07-23-21, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by coop-dog

This is the same playbook nazis used against jews.but once again libtards dont read history .

Ok so then whats your alternate plan? Ignore it and have a pandemic for 10 years? 15 years? What do we do when insurance rates skyrocket over the next five years? Or what happens when people who are worried about it decide their 10-15 dollar a hour job is not worth the risk and just quits putting more of a burden on taxpayers? Just comparing something to Nazis effectively does nothing. Propose a plan, talk about reasons why your plan would be better and show facts. Its the same story on here day in and day out but no one has a solution.

**goduke** · 07-23-21, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by unde0087

The thing I love about the left. When you talk about the termination of live fetuses daily.......liberals say "my body, my choice", then the same fuk will turn around to another person and criticize them on not taking a vaccination shot.

But what about the right? Not my body my choice for abortion but my body my choice for the vaccine. Lets just be transparent on your statement instead of just filling a narrative

**coop-dog** · 07-23-21, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

God you're stupid if you think that explains the excess death spikes between April 2020 to January 2021.

I just can't argue anymore with stupid.

What is the increase of deaths from 2019 to 2020 your seeing.

**lakerboy** · 07-23-21, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by goduke

Because what purpose does it serve? Lets say they caused it on purpose just to go along with this narrative. We are the only ones at fault because together as a country we are stupid. As a country we need to stop finding scapegoats and start finding a common ground amongst people.

Listen my friend. Since the beginning every liberal has refused to say anything negative about China. They don't want to investigate this because they know that China did this thing on purpose. It was a lab leak. They are not getting any punishment for it telling them they can do it again. The rest of your Statement basically proves what I said about why china did this. Accountability is only something liberals look for when it comes to a bunch of inbreds walking around the capitol building.

**ericc** · 07-23-21, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Again, how do you get around the massive spikes in excess deaths from all causes? What caused it?

I don't think you understand what this means. Do you?

If you look at the excess death rate, it's actually probable that covid deaths were underreported not overreported. The excess death rate was a bit higher than the covid death rate.

Again, how you you explain the fact that something like 500,000 more people died between April 2020 and January 2021 than would have otherwise been expected to die over those months based on death rate data and modeling? You can't blame that on the vaccine.

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That's like asking, how do you get around the massive spikes in votes that Biden received as compared to Hillary or Obama?

Obama drew huge crowds in his campaigns whereas Biden didn't even fill all the circles during his campaign.

**coop-dog** · 07-23-21, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by ericc

see highlighted text
That's like asking, how do you get around the massive spikes in votes that Biden received as compared to Hillary or Obama?

Obama drew huge crowds in his campaigns whereas Biden didn't even fill all the circles during his campaign.

macro trends says usa total death rate increase was normal if you factor how much total deaths were increasing in prior 10 years

**goduke** · 07-23-21, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

Listen my friend. Since the beginning every liberal has refused to say anything negative about China. They don't want to investigate this because they know that China did this thing on purpose. It was a lab leak. They are not getting any punishment for it telling them they can do it again. The rest of your Statement basically proves what I said about why china did this. Accountability is only something liberals look for when it comes to a bunch of inbreds walking around the capitol building.

But again what purpose does it serve to call out China now? Do you want to go to war with them? Do you want to cripple our economy more and refuse to trade with them? Lets say we investigate and find out everything was caused by them what will change? Absolutely nothing. Thats my point to this, if we live in the past and just blame others while not being better than we are, its our own fault.

**Fidel_CashFlow** · 07-23-21, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by goduke

But again what purpose does it serve to call out China now? Do you want to go to war with them? Do you want to cripple our economy more and refuse to trade with them? Lets say we investigate and find out everything was caused by them what will change? Absolutely nothing. Thats my point to this, if we live in the past and just blame others while not being better than we are, its our own fault.

Wow

**Brock Landers** · 07-23-21, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by coop-dog

Cdc and vaers is fake ?

Vaers LOL

Only a complete fuckin asshole would every reference a site that has no administration wheresoever and use it as a basis for facts

Dickheads like you made up the January 6th attacks.

Go swallow a bullet

**unde0087** · 07-23-21, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by goduke

But what about the right? Not my body my choice for abortion but my body my choice for the vaccine. Lets just be transparent on your statement instead of just filling a narrative

Duker, I agree guy. They have the choice to make. Whether I agree with it or not it is their choice. Same on this side of the street. No one is going to agree on what is best for someone in either case. Again, if you want to chant "my body, my choice" for one thing then shut the fuk up in the other case. All I am saying.

**Brock Landers** · 07-23-21, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by hehfest

You better hope I don't turn loose with my rage which is a ticking time-bomb because I'd cut your dick off and staple it in your mouth then I'd call you a permanent cawksucker.

Come find me asshole, I promise I'll blow your fuckin head off if you get within 10 feet

**goduke** · 07-23-21, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by unde0087

Duker, I agree guy. They have the choice to make. Whether I agree with it or not it is their choice. Same on this side of the street. No one is going to agree on what is best for someone in either case. Again, if you want to chant "my body, my choice" for one thing then shut the fuk up in the other case. All I am saying.

Yes thats fair I can agree with that

**coop-dog** · 07-23-21, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by Brock Landers

Vaers LOL

Only a complete fuckin asshole would every reference a site that has no administration wheresoever and use it as a basis for facts

Dickheads like you made up the January 6th attacks.

Go swallow a bullet

So violent of you almost nazi like .werid i mentioned something about that earlier