Is a 14 year $340 million contract to Fernando Tatis Jr too much?

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 02-18-21, 05:46 PM

Assuming he stays healthy, it very well could be a bargain.

**SamsNCharge99** · 02-18-21, 05:50 PM

Yes too long

**Underdog5229** · 02-18-21, 06:24 PM

mlb never learns. They always get bit with the super long contracts, every damn time. I cannot think of 1 contract that was 10yrs or more in the mlb, where the player performed to expectation over the entire contract.

**Fidel_CashFlow** · 02-18-21, 06:32 PM

JakePeavy
There isn't a human being alive
to trust a 14 year contract to
Just not the way our anatomy goes
down ... I'm going to say within 6 or 7
years people will regret this contract

**Hman** · 02-18-21, 06:33 PM

Its as ridiculous as some of the NBA Contracts

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 02-18-21, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Underdog5229

mlb never learns. They always get bit with the super long contracts, every damn time. I cannot think of 1 contract that was 10yrs or more in the mlb, where the player performed to expectation over the entire contract.

Originally posted by Fidel_CashFlow

JakePeavy
There isn't a human being alive
to trust a 14 year contract to
Just not the way our anatomy goes
down ... I'm going to say within 6 or 7
years people will regret this contract

We shall see. Agreed but most guys sign long contracts in mid late 20s, Tatis just turned 22.

**stevenash** · 02-18-21, 06:45 PM

**Fidel_CashFlow** · 02-18-21, 06:47 PM

With that said Peavy
I hope I'm wrong and he beats
the serious injury odds
Because he's fun , extremely talented
and his Dad was a Cardinal lol

**JIBBBY** · 02-18-21, 06:51 PM

Way too long.

**TheGoldenGoose** · 02-18-21, 06:59 PM

Way too long and could've had me for half the price.

**DevilCheese** · 02-18-21, 07:02 PM

This is the best thing the Padres could have done for their fan base. The Padres have been a joke for nearly 20 years with bad draft picks and low budget leaving them unable to sign their few good players to long term contracts. Tatis will "only" be 35 at the end of this contract. Even if his offense doesn't hold up that long, his defense is improving and he can transition to 3rd base as he ages to take over Machado's spot.

Even if he underperforms, this signing has a lot of value toward winning over the fans. Plus, Tatis is just plain fun to watch play. At the end of the day, win or lose, sports are entertainment, and this kid is entertaining.

**Fidel_CashFlow** · 02-18-21, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by DevilCheese

This is the best thing the Padres could have done for their fan base. The Padres have been a joke for nearly 20 years with bad draft picks and low budget leaving them unable to sign their few good players to long term contracts. Tatis will "only" be 35 at the end of this contract. Even if his offense doesn't hold up that long, his defense is improving and he can transition to 3rd base as he ages to take over Machado's spot.

Even if he underperforms, this signing has a lot of value toward winning over the fans. Plus, Tatis is just plain fun to watch play. At the end of the day, win or lose, sports are entertainment, and this kid is entertaining.

It's a good feeling
And a good aspect
you threw in there Devilcheese
And normally that works.... but not when
millions of dollars in money is involved.
Business is business . This was a fun toy
for the fans to play with...
But business wise ..contractually wise ....
It's an absolute disaster
waiting to happen . Maybe even a 8 year
I can't seem to wrap my mind around 14 years

**pologq** · 02-18-21, 07:35 PM

he is the face of their team. as long as he is good, not even great, and the team is competitive, the amount per year is worth it.

**Mr KLC** · 02-18-21, 07:37 PM

It's better than the Myers and Hosmer contracts. Tatis will bring the money back in. He's 22 and already the 4th most sold uniform in the league.

**stevenash** · 02-18-21, 07:38 PM

SD is probably thinking the first 8 to 10 years of that contract.
If Tatis is instrumental in taking SD to say 8 playoff trips in 10 years, with a ring or two, the last 4 years of that huge contract would already be paid for even if he hits .260 those last four years of that 14 year deal.

**Fidel_CashFlow** · 02-18-21, 07:44 PM

to me, what changes everything
is knowing if Tatis demanded a longterm situation
to me , especially in todays day in age
long term for association of a player to the same team is 4 to 5 years
14 years is so wild that I wouldnt believe it if someone told me it until I fact checked it....
not even sure if the USA has another decade in it
14 years

Albert Pujols over there like , you go Tatis... I see you my nikka

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 02-18-21, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by DevilCheese

This is the best thing the Padres could have done for their fan base. The Padres have been a joke for nearly 20 years with bad draft picks and low budget leaving them unable to sign their few good players to long term contracts. Tatis will "only" be 35 at the end of this contract. Even if his offense doesn't hold up that long, his defense is improving and he can transition to 3rd base as he ages to take over Machado's spot.

Even if he underperforms, this signing has a lot of value toward winning over the fans. Plus, Tatis is just plain fun to watch play. At the end of the day, win or lose, sports are entertainment, and this kid is entertaining.

Originally posted by stevenash

SD is probably thinking the first 8 to 10 years of that contract.
If Tatis is instrumental in taking SD to say 8 playoff trips in 10 years, with a ring or two, the last 4 years of that huge contract would already be paid for even if he hits .260 those last four years of that 14 year deal.

Agree with both of your lines of thinking. Had they waited 3-4 years they might have paid him more overall money with a 7-10 year contract. This locks him up for the majority of his career. That said, I'm sure he has some type of option to leave during the contract.

**Chi_archie** · 02-18-21, 07:51 PM

he was there another 5 years for certain. So they just tacked one of the new 10 year long contract onto the end of the club control time they bought out essentially.

the Front Office people and many in the ownership group know they most likely won't be around in 6-8 years from now anyways. So what the hell does it matter to them?

best case scenario, baseball bounces back and Avg star salaries are in the 60-75 million range by the 2030s

**Fidel_CashFlow** · 02-18-21, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

Agree with both of your lines of thinking. Had they waited 3-4 years they might have paid him more overall money with a 7-10 year contract. This locks him up for the majority of his career. That said, I'm sure he has some type of option to leave during the contract.

This has to be for both parties..... some kind of resolve
imagine the paper work on a 14 year contract

**Chi_archie** · 02-18-21, 07:53 PM

Tatis
Betts
Trout
Harper
Machado
Stanton

all these guys got locked up for 10,12,13 years.

this is nothing new. Padres just made up their mind a lot quicker, so they'll be paying a 34 year old in the end, not a 40 year old

**jjgold** · 02-18-21, 07:53 PM

Hitters not worth much

**Sam Odom** · 02-18-21, 07:54 PM

Padres wins the WEST = good deal

**Chi_archie** · 02-18-21, 07:54 PM

poor tatis has to give like 20 some million of that to some weird payday loan type of thing for future BIG LEAGERS he went to in his teens. He got some cash at the time in exchange for a % of all his future earnings

DUMB

**Chi_archie** · 02-18-21, 07:58 PM

When Tatis becomes a free agent....

the Mets will still be paying Bobby Bonilla

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 02-18-21, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

When Tatis becomes a free agent....

the Mets will still be paying Bobby Bonilla

**Fidel_CashFlow** · 02-18-21, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

Tatis
Betts
Trout
Harper
Machado
Stanton

all these guys got locked up for 10,12,13 years.

this is nothing new. Padres just made up their mind a lot quicker, so they'll be paying a 34 year old in the end, not a 40 year old

Harper's body in a decade long contract

They understand the psyche of the average fan
And that psyche being short term thinking
Kind of use Sam Odom post #23 for reference lol

**stevenash** · 02-18-21, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

Tatis
Betts
Trout
Harper
Machado
Stanton

all these guys got locked up for 10,12,13 years.

this is nothing new. Padres just made up their mind a lot quicker, so they'll be paying a 34 year old in the end, not a 40 year old

One of the best free agent signings in the last 20 years was Mike Mussina.
Don't believe me, look at his body of work he did for the Yankees.
Then look at how many starts he made as a Yankee.

Never mind, I'll save you the trouble.
The correct answer would be almost every one.

Year	Age	Tm	Lg	W	L	W-L%	ERA	G	GS	GF	CG	SHO	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	IBB	SO	HBP	BK	WP	BF	ERA+	FIP	WHIP	H9	HR9	BB9	SO9	SO/W	Awards
1991	22	BAL	AL	4	5	0.444	2.87	12	12	0	2	0	0	87.2	77	31	28	7	21	0	52	1	1	3	349	139	3.46	1.118	7.9	0.7	2.2	5.3	2.48
1992	23	BAL	AL	18	5	0.783	2.54	32	32	0	8	4	0	241	212	70	68	16	48	2	130	2	0	6	957	157	3.19	1.079	7.9	0.6	1.8	4.9	2.71	AS,CYA-4,MVP-21
1993	24	BAL	AL	14	6	0.7	4.46	25	25	0	3	2	0	167.2	163	84	83	20	44	2	117	3	0	5	693	100	3.98	1.235	8.7	1.1	2.4	6.3	2.66	AS
1994	25	BAL	AL	16	5	0.762	3.06	24	24	0	3	0	0	176.1	163	63	60	19	42	1	99	1	0	0	712	164	4.14	1.163	8.3	1	2.1	5.1	2.36	AS,CYA-4,MVP-20
1995	26	BAL	AL	19	9	0.679	3.29	32	32	0	7	4	0	221.2	187	86	81	24	50	4	158	1	0	2	882	145	3.78	1.069	7.6	1	2	6.4	3.16	CYA-5
1996	27	BAL	AL	19	11	0.633	4.81	36	36	0	4	1	0	243.1	264	137	130	31	69	0	204	3	0	3	1039	103	4.04	1.368	9.8	1.1	2.6	7.5	2.96	CYA-5,GG
1997	28	BAL	AL	15	8	0.652	3.2	33	33	0	4	1	0	224.2	197	87	80	27	54	3	218	3	0	5	905	137	3.49	1.117	7.9	1.1	2.2	8.7	4.04	AS,CYA-6,GG
1998	29	BAL	AL	13	10	0.565	3.49	29	29	0	4	2	0	206.1	189	85	80	22	41	3	175	4	0	10	835	130	3.48	1.115	8.2	1	1.8	7.6	4.27	GG
1999	30	BAL	AL	18	7	0.72	3.5	31	31	0	4	0	0	203.1	207	88	79	16	52	0	172	1	0	2	842	133	3.25	1.274	9.2	0.7	2.3	7.6	3.31	AS,CYA-2,GG
2000	31	BAL	AL	11	15	0.423	3.79	34	34	0	6	1	0	237.2	236	105	100	28	46	0	210	3	0	3	987	125	3.52	1.187	8.9	1.1	1.7	8	4.57	CYA-6
2001	32	NYY	AL	17	11	0.607	3.15	34	34	0	4	3	0	228.2	202	87	80	20	42	2	214	4	0	6	909	143	2.92	1.067	8	0.8	1.7	8.4	5.1	CYA-5,GG
2002	33	NYY	AL	18	10	0.643	4.05	33	33	0	2	2	0	215.2	208	103	97	27	48	1	182	5	0	7	886	109	3.64	1.187	8.7	1.1	2	7.6	3.79
2003	34	NYY	AL	17	8	0.68	3.4	31	31	0	2	1	0	214.2	192	86	81	21	40	4	195	3	0	4	855	130	3.09	1.081	8	0.9	1.7	8.2	4.88	GG
2004	35	NYY	AL	12	9	0.571	4.59	27	27	0	1	0	0	164.2	178	91	84	22	40	1	132	2	0	5	697	98	3.95	1.324	9.7	1.2	2.2	7.2	3.3
2005	36	NYY	AL	13	8	0.619	4.41	30	30	0	2	2	0	179.2	199	93	88	23	47	0	142	7	0	2	766	96	4.01	1.369	10	1.2	2.4	7.1	3.02
2006	37	NYY	AL	15	7	0.682	3.51	32	32	0	1	0	0	197.1	184	88	77	22	35	1	172	5	0	3	804	129	3.46	1.11	8.4	1	1.6	7.8	4.91
2007	38	NYY	AL	11	10	0.524	5.15	28	27	0	0	0	0	152	188	90	87	14	35	2	91	4	0	1	656	88	4.01	1.467	11.1	0.8	2.1	5.4	2.6
2008	39	NYY	AL	20	9	0.69	3.37	34	34	0	0	0	0	200.1	214	85	75	17	31	3	150	8	0	4	819	131	3.32	1.223	9.6	0.8	1.4	6.7	4.84	CYA-6,MVP-19,GG
18 Yrs				270	153	0.638	3.68	537	536	0	57	23	0	3562.2	3460	1559	1458	376	785	29	2813	60	1	71	14593	123	3.57	1.192	8.7	0.9	2	7.1	3.58
162 Game Avg.				17	10	0.638	3.68	34	34	0	4	1	0	226	219	99	92	24	50	2	178	4	0	4	925	123	3.57	1.192	8.7	0.9	2	7.1	3.58
BAL (10 yrs)				147	81	0.645	3.53	288	288	0	45	15	0	2009.2	1895	836	789	210	467	15	1535	22	1	39	8201	130	3.63	1.175	8.5	0.9	2.1	6.9	3.29
NYY (8 yrs)				123	72	0.631	3.88	249	248	0	12	8	0	1553	1565	723	669	166	318	14	1278	38	0	32	6392	114	3.5	1.212	9.1	1	1.8	7.4	4.02

**JMobile** · 02-20-21, 03:15 AM

Lots of good input

**hehfest** · 02-20-21, 03:25 AM

The Tigers gave Cabrera a ridiculous contract that has him playing into his 40's and making ridiculous money until the end of it. Nobody would want to trade with him making that kind of money at his age. They end up stuck with him.

**Orbison** · 02-20-21, 04:45 AM

his glove needs to improve, he's unnecessarily flashy which causes too many wild throws. his range is fine though

**thezbar** · 02-20-21, 05:35 AM

The mid season slump in 2020 is a red flag. The Padres broadcast team eluded as much. The contract is way to much and way too long. Yet if he can put up Tony Gwynn like stats then it's a bargain. The jury is out.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 02-20-21, 06:38 AM

Originally posted by Orbison

his glove needs to improve, he's unnecessarily flashy which causes too many wild throws. his range is fine though

Sounds like you didn't watch him this past year, he improved leaps and bounds with errant throws.

**WireWire** · 02-20-21, 09:37 AM

$784 Million tied up in Eric Hosmer, Manny Machado, Tatis?

.......YIKES!

**Allure** · 02-20-21, 10:06 AM

How is MLB making any money anyway? Who is watching and attending the games?