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  • Goat Milk
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    #1
    The real reason Kawhi left San Antonio...
    No one talks about this. But I'm gonna tell you the main reason why Kawhi left.

    The theories are:

    1) Problems with the organization about his health. Lack of trust.
    2) Problems with the players. Starting with Tony Parker.
    3) Wanting a bigger payday and the opportunity to perhaps play in his hometown state of LA.

    Kawhi left for one simple reason. Statistics, playing time, and shot attempts. Kawhi chucked up 39 shots in the game 7 against Philly. Think about that for a second. He would never be allowed to do such a thing on the Spurs. Never. Kawhi said f my teammates, f my coach, I'm taking every single shot. Kobe style.

    He was fed up with the "team first" concept. Kawhi isn't gonna let these bums take all the shots in a game 7. No way.

    Second thing, stats. Kawhi is approaching the back end of his career. He's still in his prime obviously, but he has what, like 6 years left of dominance? And that's it. Kawhi's statistics are not on the level of some of the greats. The Jordans, Bird, Kobe, Wade, Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, etc. Even guys like Karl Malone, Barkley. Kawhi is better than both those guys, yet they have much better statistics. It's because they always played more minutes, took more shots, etc. Kawhi has been babied his whole career in SA. And it was time for him to go and start dropping 30 points a night. Without those statistics, your legacy is tarnished. Believe that.
    Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
  • jts1207
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    #2
    He acted like a bitch in SA.
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    • JIBBBY
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      • 12-10-09
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      #3
      Diva.. Needs special treatment didn't get it in San. Pop wouldn't have it..

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      • jjgold
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        #4
        Lol
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        • sosawestbrook
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          #5
          Originally posted by JIBBBY
          Diva.. Needs special treatment didn't get it in San. Pop wouldn't have it..

          Not a lot of guys would work in Pop’s system. He’s built a culture there. It’s always team first and never about one guy. Unfortunately history is not so inclined to promote these sort of ideals. So Pop will get all the credit. Genius

          Only certain superstars would work out in San Antonio. Mild mannered guys like Kawhi, Timmy, Derozan, etc. all very similar demeanors & are team first players. Kawhi decided he wanted more and wanted to build a legacy. Nothing wrong with that. Pop is doing the same thing for himself
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          • lakerboy
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            #6
            Spurs got the benefit of the doubt because of their reputation. They misdiagnosed his injury. That has become very clear. They got teammates to call him out. This is a guy who doesn't say anything bad and kept quiet. He got them a ring and they disrespected him. These franchises like spurs/pats etc want everyone to be a robot and keep the mouth shut.
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            • JIBBBY
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              #7
              Well let the truth be told, while Pop does run a tight show and I admire the old zit fart for what system he has run, he is a FULL BLOWN LIB and TRUMP hater to the core.. I keep an open mind though and still admire what he does with the SPURS.. Pop is a proven WINNER year after year...

              While I still think Leonard is a bit of a DIVA maybe politics drove him out also as crazy as that sounds..

              I'm with Leonard on this if true, it was quoted by him and confirmed by Bleacher Report, I remember this!!!

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              • Heltah Skeltah
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                #8
                Pop is an asshole..he act is old and tiresome
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                • sosawestbrook
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                  #9
                  Lmao no chance Kawhi ever said that buddy

                  This guy says 2 orv3 words in post game interviews.

                  Cmon now
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                  • The Kraken
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                    #10
                    What does Pop know about coaching, dude only won 5 out of the 6 finals he went to
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                    • homie1975
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                      • 12-24-13
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by lakerboy
                      Spurs got the benefit of the doubt because of their reputation. They misdiagnosed his injury. That has become very clear. They got teammates to call him out. This is a guy who doesn't say anything bad and kept quiet. He got them a ring and they disrespected him. These franchises like spurs/pats etc want everyone to be a robot and keep the mouth shut.
                      This is 1000%. Don't confuse his silence and kindness for blindness. He was royally pissed about what the spurs org dud. Believe that.
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                      • homie1975
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by JIBBBY
                        Well let the truth be told, while Pop does run a tight show and I admire the old zit fart for what system he has run, he is a FULL BLOWN LIB and TRUMP hater to the core.. I keep an open mind though and still admire what he does with the SPURS.. Pop is a proven WINNER year after year...

                        While I still think Leonard is a bit of a DIVA maybe politics drove him out also as crazy as that sounds..

                        I'm with Leonard on this if true, it was quoted by him and confirmed by Bleacher Report, I remember this!!!

                        That quote is fake news. Never happened.
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                        • homie1975
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by The Kraken
                          What does Pop know about coaching, dude only won 5 out of the 6 finals he went to
                          Great coach. But totally misjudged the kawhi injury and played his hand very poorly. Hence kawhi not there.
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                          • fried cheese
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by JIBBBY
                            Well let the truth be told, while Pop does run a tight show and I admire the old zit fart for what system he has run, he is a FULL BLOWN LIB and TRUMP hater to the core.. I keep an open mind though and still admire what he does with the SPURS.. Pop is a proven WINNER year after year...

                            While I still think Leonard is a bit of a DIVA maybe politics drove him out also as crazy as that sounds..

                            I'm with Leonard on this if true, it was quoted by him and confirmed by Bleacher Report, I remember this!!!

                            pop was just mad that trump wanted to "Take the guns first, go through due process second" after a school shooting. hes very pro second amendment.
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                            • JIBBBY
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                              #15
                              I'm hope the Raptors and Leonard win the title. I hope Leonard stays in Toronto as well as the fans love him there. That would be something if a Canadian based NBA team won the title. That would be something to see. I would be cool with that. NBA Parades in Canada.. Lol..

                              Warriors will win it all though we all know this unfortunately.. Raptors still need to get past these Bucks tonight!!!
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                              • Goat Milk
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                Well let the truth be told, while Pop does run a tight show and I admire the old zit fart for what system he has run, he is a FULL BLOWN LIB and TRUMP hater to the core.. I keep an open mind though and still admire what he does with the SPURS.. Pop is a proven WINNER year after year...

                                While I still think Leonard is a bit of a DIVA maybe politics drove him out also as crazy as that sounds..

                                I'm with Leonard on this if true, it was quoted by him and confirmed by Bleacher Report, I remember this!!!

                                Lmao, Leonard does not give a f about politics bro. All he cares about is basketball.
                                Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                • TheMoneyShot
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                                  #17
                                  What we do know is that Leonard acted like a full blown 100% prick.

                                  Someone was in his ear... and told him to sit.

                                  Out of ALL ORGANIZATIONS in the NBA.... he disrespected San Antonio.... and you simply don't do that to POP.

                                  That's why I can't respect Leonard. That's cool that he spends hours at the gym... and conditioning... awesome. But the guy is easily persuaded. That's 100% pussy in my book.
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                                  • Goat Milk
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by lakerboy
                                    Spurs got the benefit of the doubt because of their reputation. They misdiagnosed his injury. That has become very clear. They got teammates to call him out. This is a guy who doesn't say anything bad and kept quiet. He got them a ring and they disrespected him. These franchises like spurs/pats etc want everyone to be a robot and keep the mouth shut.
                                    True. Kawhi could no longer play in a system. He wanted to be the system. Where he goes next will be important. If he knows what's good for his legacy, he won't team up with Lebron and make the same mistake KD did.
                                    Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                    • The Kraken
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by homie1975
                                      Great coach. But totally misjudged the kawhi injury and played his hand very poorly. Hence kawhi not there.
                                      He is a great coach. I have no inside info on Kawai’s injury so cant speak of it but I’ll take your word for it. Im sure i fo has come out and I just am not aware it. But wouldn’t that be on the team doctors and not Pop?
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                                      • homie1975
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by fried cheese
                                        pop was just mad that trump wanted to "Take the guns first, go through due process second" after a school shooting. hes very pro second amendment.
                                        Are u being sarcastic? Pop does not like guns at all

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                                        • TheMoneyShot
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                          True. Kawhi could no longer play in a system. He wanted to be the system. Where he goes next will be important. If he knows what's good for his legacy, he won't team up with Lebron and make the same mistake KD did.
                                          So, he'll walk out on Toronto... too.... and again.... makes him look like a prick. No denying this.
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                                          • homie1975
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by The Kraken
                                            He is a great coach. I have no inside info on Kawai’s injury so cant speak of it but I’ll take your word for it. Im sure i fo has come out and I just am not aware it. But wouldn’t that be on the team doctors and not Pop?
                                            Pop didn't believe he was as injured as he was and basically instructed players to call him out. The circumstantial evidence was there. I've followed Kawhi since his days playing HS ball in riverside CA and I followed this story very closely.
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                                            • JIBBBY
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by fried cheese
                                              pop was just mad that trump wanted to "Take the guns first, go through due process second" after a school shooting. hes very pro second amendment.
                                              POP hates Trump.. Any chance he gets to say he does he makes it known publically. That's no secret!!!

                                              If he brings into the locker room I wouldn't wanna stay there either.. I would be there to play basketball and not to be lectured on POPS political beliefs. I'd walk or wanted to be traded too..

                                              If that's the case I respect Leonard for bowing out..

                                              We never really know what goes on behind closed doors though.. We learn what we know from the fake news media most of the time with he said she said..

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                                              • thomorino
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                                                #24
                                                Wade isn't in the same class as Jordan and Bird, not even close. Leonard is better player than Wade. Leonard's the best defensive player in the league and he's scoring more than 30 a game, Wade wasn't as big and strong. Look at Leonard's defense on Giannis- Wade couldn't come close to matching that.
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                                                • thomorino
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                                                  #25
                                                  The biggest reason why Kawhi left that wasn't covered by the media was the roster was garbage, Pop is a good head coach but he made a lot of mistakes with Buford on personnel. The Spurs were old and slow, they had no chance of competing with the top teams, they got destroyed after Leonard got hurt, most games they lost by 20 or more.
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                                                  • TheMoneyShot
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by thomorino
                                                    The biggest reason why Kawhi left that wasn't covered by the media was the roster was garbage, Pop is a good head coach but he made a lot of mistakes with Buford on personnel. The Spurs were old and slow, they had no chance of competing with the top teams, they got destroyed after Leonard got hurt, most games they lost by 20 or more.
                                                    That's not Leonard's call as an athlete. You fukking play your contract through.

                                                    No chance of competing so you give up right??? Dumbest sh#$ like your picks.
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                                                    • RudyRuetigger
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                                                      #27
                                                      isnt this the same guy telling me cousins and durant would be back for trailblazers series?
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                                                      • thomorino
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                                        That's not Leonard's call as an athlete. You fukking play your contract through.

                                                        No chance of competing so you give up right??? Dumbest sh#$ like your picks.
                                                        Fuk off
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                                                        • Goat Milk
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by thomorino
                                                          Wade isn't in the same class as Jordan and Bird, not even close. Leonard is better player than Wade. Leonard's the best defensive player in the league and he's scoring more than 30 a game, Wade wasn't as big and strong. Look at Leonard's defense on Giannis- Wade couldn't come close to matching that.
                                                          Lol this is a ridiculous statement. Leonard better than Wade? Wade is 6'4 dude, he would never be assigned to guarding Giannis. What does size have to do with anything? Wade made like 15 consecutive all star games.

                                                          D Wade led team USA to a gold medal. He led the team in scoring, fg percentage, steals, and a bunch of other shit, and came OFF THE BENCH. He sealed the deal against Spain when Lebron and all these other guys were choking, hard.

                                                          Did Leonard ever do that?

                                                          Did Leonard ever average 35 a game in a finals? No, he didn't.

                                                          Wade averages more blocks per game in his career than Leonard I believe. How's that for size?

                                                          Wade was the only person in the league who could matchup with Bryant. Bryant used to shit on Kawhi Leonard bro. How quickly you forget.
                                                          Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                          • sosawestbrook
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                                            That's not Leonard's call as an athlete. You fukking play your contract through.

                                                            No chance of competing so you give up right??? Dumbest sh#$ like your picks.
                                                            Bro don’t come at Morino for speaking his mind. This is a forum. Chill

                                                            I’ve seen you post some ignorant shit. Check yourself
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                                                            • Heltah Skeltah
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                                              So, he'll walk out on Toronto... too.... and again.... makes him look like a prick. No denying this.
                                                              Why? He got traded to Toronto..he doesn't owe them anything. If he wants to be in la and signs wth the Clippers instead of joining lebron I dont see a problem wth it
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                                                              • fried cheese
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                                POP hates Trump.. Any chance he gets to say he does he makes it known publically. That's no secret!!!

                                                                If he brings into the locker room I wouldn't wanna stay there either.. I would be there to play basketball and not to be lectured on POPS political beliefs. I'd walk or wanted to be traded too..

                                                                If that's the case I respect Leonard for bowing out..

                                                                We never really know what goes on behind closed doors though.. We learn what we know from the fake news media most of the time with he said she said..

                                                                yes, pop hates him because trump was trying to take away everyones gun rights. muslims, women, african-americans, hispanics, and handicapped ppl all deserve their gun rights. minorities and weaker ppl need guns even more than the average person in order to defend themselves.
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                                                                • lakerboy
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                                  Lol this is a ridiculous statement. Leonard better than Wade? Wade is 6'4 dude, he would never be assigned to guarding Giannis. What does size have to do with anything? Wade made like 15 consecutive all star games.

                                                                  D Wade led team USA to a gold medal. He led the team in scoring, fg percentage, steals, and a bunch of other shit, and came OFF THE BENCH. He sealed the deal against Spain when Lebron and all these other guys were choking, hard.

                                                                  Did Leonard ever do that?

                                                                  Did Leonard ever average 35 a game in a finals? No, he didn't.

                                                                  Wade averages more blocks per game in his career than Leonard I believe. How's that for size?

                                                                  Wade was the only person in the league who could matchup with Bryant. Bryant used to shit on Kawhi Leonard bro. How quickly you forget.
                                                                  Bro I swear you love Wade so much. Leonard shut down James and won finals MVP. Let's evaluate Leonard in 8 years. Gold medal lol stop no one cares about that crap except melo
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                                                                  • Goat Milk
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by lakerboy
                                                                    Bro I swear you love Wade so much. Leonard shut down James and won finals MVP. Let's evaluate Leonard in 8 years. Gold medal lol stop no one cares about that crap except melo
                                                                    Is that why no one forgets team USA losing in like 04 or whenever it was? The world will never, ever forget when USA doesn't win gold in basketball. It's literally one of the biggest disgraces in history, not just of sports, just in world history in general.

                                                                    Leonard did not shut down James. James averaged amazing numbers in that series I'm pretty sure. Sure, we can evaluate Leonard in 8 years, that's fine. But everyone who thinks Leonard is so good are the people who quickly forget everything. Leonard played with so many legends around him bro. He never carried that team to a ring. All of those guys were still in their primes. Parker Ginobli and Duncan were all putting up sick numbers in that playoff run, in both of them... Leonard was the best player of those guys, but if anything, they carried him to a ring. Leonard would have 0 rings if not for those 3, 100% guaranteed. Until he wins a ring without them, that ring is meaningless to me.

                                                                    Saying Leonard is better than a guy who scored 35 a game in the finals is preposterous. And that was in a time where defense was actually played..... These 30 point nights now by Leonard and Harden are worthless.
                                                                    Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                                    • JIBBBY
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by fried cheese
                                                                      yes, pop hates him because trump was trying to take away everyones gun rights. muslims, women, african-americans, hispanics, and handicapped ppl all deserve their gun rights. minorities and weaker ppl need guns even more than the average person in order to defend themselves.
                                                                      That's what the fake news media tells you.. I understand.. Let's stick basketball and facts Cheese.. America is rolling and more ethnic people hold jobs today then under your boy Obama in the good Ole USofA.. We are not at war and the economy is booming under this president now.. That's a good thing

                                                                      Fake news won't tell you this but it's happening now.. We're all good in the USA right now. Be thankful and enjoy this Memorial day weekend.. It's ok to hate on the man but don't hate on the job he's done in 2 years..

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