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  • 7deuceoff$uit
    SBR MVP
    • 04-08-16
    • 2212

    #1
    The only way to beat the house...
    Is to become the house.

    How many of you have tried being your friend's bookie. Did you run into any problems? Any ruined friendships? It seems like it's the only way to win if you have a lot of degenerate friends, but how ethical is it? Currently have a friend's brother who chases non stop. Kind of feel bad for him.
  • jjgold
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-20-05
    • 388179

    #2
    Lol

    All headaches and there’s no upside
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    • 7deuceoff$uit
      SBR MVP
      • 04-08-16
      • 2212

      #3
      JJ, so far I have just a handful of friends. All losers, and chase, but most importantly they pay. Thinking about only dealing with people I know.
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      • Cuse0323
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 12-09-09
        • 30169

        #4
        Might as well be the one to take their money.
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        • lonegambler23
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 06-22-16
          • 9760

          #5
          this is funny. my friend asked me today if i wanted to be his bookie. i said ok sure bring it on. im 2-0 today
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          • Harry N. Lloyd
            SBR MVP
            • 03-26-08
            • 4810

            #6
            I've worked both sides of the window. I know these truths to be self evident. Most bettors lose more than they win percentage wise. That of course will kill you, but add the vigorish on top and the bookie is simply printing money.

            I have no idea why it is so, but it is definitely true, almost all of the crazy wild things that happen to swing a game go against the degenerate gambler, and so by default goes in the bookie's favor. When I make bets I suffer "bad beats". When I booked bets all the breaks went my way.
            God must love bookies.
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            • jjgold
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 07-20-05
              • 388179

              #7
              Once they start losing money they’re not friends anymore

              Secondly what are you gonna do if they don’t pay?


              Stay away
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              • JIBBBY
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 12-10-09
                • 83686

                #8
                Only way to beat the house is to buy the house..

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                • pinnacle420
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 10-01-12
                  • 6254

                  #9
                  This never ends well.....
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                  • Fishhead
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 08-11-05
                    • 40179

                    #10
                    Well, many of my friends and myself have made over a million each against the house so no need to become the house in theory if willing to work hard and gain knowledge
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                    • Harry N. Lloyd
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-26-08
                      • 4810

                      #11
                      They have to believe you are taking bets on behalf of someone bigger than you. Because you probably are, even if you don't know it.

                      Because you yourself are doing something illegal, bigger illegal types can knock on your door at any time.

                      You ready for that?
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                      • Cuse0323
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 12-09-09
                        • 30169

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jjgold
                        Once they start losing money they’re not friends anymore

                        Secondly what are you gonna do if they don’t pay?


                        Stay away
                        They lose money to someone else anyway. If they have any integrity then they will pay. Worth the risk.

                        Don’t listen to jj. He doesn’t like money.
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                        • Fishhead
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 08-11-05
                          • 40179

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jjgold
                          Once they start losing money they’re not friends anymore

                          Secondly what are you gonna do if they don’t pay?


                          Stay away

                          Happy New Year HAWK!
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                          • jjgold
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 07-20-05
                            • 388179

                            #14
                            Stay away from being a bookie it’s illegal
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                            • Fishhead
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 08-11-05
                              • 40179

                              #15
                              Originally posted by jjgold
                              Stay away from being a bookie it’s illegal
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                              • pretentiousGuy
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 09-13-18
                                • 136

                                #16
                                How would becoming the house mean you beat the house?

                                Title is wrong btw.
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                                • 7deuceoff$uit
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 04-08-16
                                  • 2212

                                  #17
                                  A lot of good info in this thread. Thanks guys and happy new year!
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                                  • DOM_Toretto
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 01-28-13
                                    • 9035

                                    #18
                                    I feel like you’d need at least 50 clients to start... And if they are ‘normal’ size bettors like 100 bucks average, not high rollers, you’d need at least what $100k cash? starting bankroll. Then you’d also want an online interface, not sure how much those cost to use. But then you’d be printing money, probably better than most full time jobs.
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                                    • Shute
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 03-20-17
                                      • 11835

                                      #19
                                      Good advice all around in this thread
                                      Good thread
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                                      • milwaukee mike
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 08-22-07
                                        • 26914

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by DOM_Toretto
                                        I feel like you’d need at least 50 clients to start... And if they are ‘normal’ size bettors like 100 bucks average, not high rollers, you’d need at least what $100k cash? starting bankroll. Then you’d also want an online interface, not sure how much those cost to use. But then you’d be printing money, probably better than most full time jobs.
                                        why in the world would you need to start with 50 clients? and have 1000 bets worth of bankroll

                                        you wouldn't need any bankroll, because you would be booking losers and getting +110 on every bet
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                                        • DOM_Toretto
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 01-28-13
                                          • 9035

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                                          why in the world would you need to start with 50 clients? and have 1000 bets worth of bankroll

                                          you wouldn't need any bankroll, because you would be booking losers and getting +110 on every bet
                                          Guess I’m not sure what the OP’s goal is, to book bets for fun or for a job. Sure you could book bets for 3 or 4 of your buddies but I doubt that leaves you much better than just placing your own bets, then you’re exposed to a much higher liability than you would be controlling your own bets.
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                                          • jjgold
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 07-20-05
                                            • 388179

                                            #22
                                            Disaster waiting to happen
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                                            • milwaukee mike
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 08-22-07
                                              • 26914

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by DOM_Toretto
                                              Guess I’m not sure what the OP’s goal is, to book bets for fun or for a job. Sure you could book bets for 3 or 4 of your buddies but I doubt that leaves you much better than just placing your own bets, then you’re exposed to a much higher liability than you would be controlling your own bets.
                                              i think it would be much better than just placing your own bets unless he knows what he's doing betting wise

                                              at $100/bet, assuming 4 bets/week and a 5% hold, that's a profit of $1000/year/player ... 4 can turn into 10 which can turn into 20 etc

                                              not sure how someone would start with 50, easier to start with a few and then get word of mouth

                                              leave some balances online to hedge off of bets he would be uncomfortable with
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388179

                                                #24
                                                Lol are
                                                You guys stupid??

                                                Gamblers scum they will stiff and then call police and it’s over
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                                                • milwaukee mike
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 08-22-07
                                                  • 26914

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                                  Lol are
                                                  You guys stupid??

                                                  Gamblers scum they will stiff and then call police and it’s over
                                                  why would they stiff and call the police? gamblers don't call the police, girlfriends/wives might but even then the cops aren't gonna care

                                                  risks might outweigh the rewards though
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                                                  • 2daBank
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 01-26-09
                                                    • 88966

                                                    #26
                                                    I never had the heart to be able to take degens money. I’m always tryin to talk them out of making bad plays, although they rarely listen! Lol
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                                                    • jjgold
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 07-20-05
                                                      • 388179

                                                      #27
                                                      If gamblers want to stiff locals
                                                      They call police

                                                      Not as
                                                      Many pure locals anymore so does
                                                      Not happen

                                                      Not worth court and fines
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                                                      • milwaukee mike
                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                        • 08-22-07
                                                        • 26914

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by jjgold
                                                        If gamblers want to stiff locals
                                                        They call police

                                                        Not as
                                                        Many pure locals anymore so does
                                                        Not happen

                                                        Not worth court and fines
                                                        and what exactly do these gamblers say to the police? i made some bets and i don't want to pay, here's the guys name that takes bets... but they weren't really bets because i'm not paying, but arrest the guy anyway
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                                                        • danshan11
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 07-08-17
                                                          • 4101

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                          I never had the heart to be able to take degens money. I’m always tryin to talk them out of making bad plays, although they rarely listen! Lol
                                                          you are joking right, every single play a good player makes is only available because someone placed a bad one. Most line moves that make a play for a sharp player are usually the result of a bad play. everyday you are taking advantage of the inexperienced bettor. Smart bettors are like wolves waiting on the hill for the one dumb sheep to wander off in the wrong direction and they pounce!
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                                                          • jjgold
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 07-20-05
                                                            • 388179

                                                            #30
                                                            I love garage bookies with $100 to their name
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