Active shooter at Mandalay Bay

[HurryUpAndDrink]

Las Vegas Shooting ....

James Murren: CEO of Mandalay Bay/MGM Resorts International is a sitting member of the Homeland Security National Infrastructure Advisory Council-he's responsible for getting legislation and regulations passed for security & technology infrastructure in public places. Things such as x-ray backscatter machines.

So the CEO of Mandalay Bay is a sitting member of the Homeland Security National Infrastructure Advisory Council? This is not normal people!

The High Stakes Players

Michael Chertoff: Former United States Secretary of Homeland Security co-author of the US Patriot Act has a group called, the Chertoff Group founded in 2009. It's a "security and risk management group".The Chertoff Group has a vested interest in a massive push for backscatter machines because they're the biggest producers of these machines, along with another firm called OSI.

According to the source which was carbon dated September 11, 2017 the plan these two firms has is to pass laws that require the machines in all public places. This will be in the name of safety. And Americans will be happy to do it. Just like we were with the Patriot Act after 9/11. After they accomplish this they'll merge their firms in 2020, sell their stocks and make billions in profits. All while making the US like the middle east, which is their ultimate goal.

The government wants these machines going up in all the casinos in Las Vegas and eventually in places like parks, public schools, grocery stores, libraries, restaurants, public transportation stations, all event places, malls, everywhere you can imagine. They want to make America like the middle east as far as "security" goes.The Chertoff Group will make billions from this deal.

Wynn Casino already has backscatter machines in their casino and it hasn't even been four days. Dozens of newspaper articles have already mentioned how this is going to happen. The head of the Department of Homeland Security has been on CNN and talked about these machines and how we need them. Will Trump casino be next?

James Murren: CEO of Mandalay Bay/MGM Resorts International is a sitting member of the Homeland Security National Infrastructure Advisory Council-he's responsible for getting legislation and regulations passed for security & technology infrastructure in public places. Things such as x-ray backscatter machines. So the CEO of Mandalay Bay is a sitting member of the Homeland Security National Infrastructure Advisory Council?

Sheldon Adelson: CEO Las Vegas Sands: Contributed 25 million dollars to Donald Trumps campaign - Worth 32 billion dollars - Owns Israeli newspaper, Israel Hayom

FROM SARA BASS>>>

[slambam]

HurryUp - is that the article from 4chan? I know the guy posted there on 9/11/17 that an attack was coming to Vegas. I'm still skeptical, but fukk, you never know.

Also, what's up with the security guard getting shot before the concert goers? I haven't seen this, where's the proof?

EDIT - Nevermind, I see the story about the guard being shot before. That's fukked up. I don't wanna buy into these theories, but there's no excuse for that.

[Git Lo]

HurryUp - is that the article from 4chan? I know the guy posted there on 9/11/17 that an attack was coming to Vegas. I'm still skeptical, but fukk, you never know.

Also, what's up with the security guard getting shot before the concert goers? I haven't seen this, where's the proof?

EDIT - Nevermind, I see the story about the guard being shot before. That's fukked up. I don't wanna buy into these theories, but there's no excuse for that.

aint no shame in being a conspiracy scientist

[slapshot81]

so rhe security guard was shot 6 mins before massacre started hmm why did it take so long for police get to the room must have been some real shitty communication going on with hotel staff and the police this is really sad because if police responded sooner maybe lives would of been saved

[d2bets]

And why did Paddock light up the hallway with security guard before the killing? Was he busting in? Why was the security guard there? Was he investigating the room for some reason? The noise from busting the windows?

So many open questions still.

And yeah, why didn't the guard immediately contact police after being shot and shouldn't they have been up there then within 6 minutes?

[The Kraken]

Important point to be made here that Funny just brought up

There is an ongoing investigation involving a very high profile case, the fbi is not going to be releasing much to the public and the LV Sherriffs dept has already showed they’re incompetent imbeciles

In this day and age, that apparently means everyone gets to interpret the fragments of info being made public and form their own fantasy of a story

Moneyshooter was crying conspiracy immediately and is a perfect example of someone who declares anything and everything as a false flag or conspiracy. Not a shred of evidence is out, and honestly Paddock was probably still shooting people and TMS is hollering false flag and he has all his reasons why, and the fukking shooting ain’t even over

[TheMoneyShot]

Moneyshooter was crying conspiracy immediately and is a perfect example of someone who declares anything and everything as a false flag or conspiracy. Not a shred of evidence is out, and honestly Paddock was probably still shooting people and TMS is hollering false flag and he has all his reasons why, and the fukking shooting ain’t even over

What was going through my head?

1. Sort of happy I didn't board that plane from DET to LV. I was like damn... I was suppose to be there.

2. When it was first shown on LIVE TV... you're in SHOCK MODE. You're like... WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON? I figured it was some dude inside the concert... that carried a weapon with him... and just started smoking people. Caused the entire crowd to be in panic mode.

3. Conspiracy mode never set in. Wasn't even thinking it.

4. When I went to bed that night... I was just happy I was home.

5. Right when the CRIME PHOTOS were released it made me MORE SKEPTICAL about CONSPIRACY because instinctively they looked fake. Furthermore, the body language of the Sheriff of Las Vegas... when he said... something like... I'm upset that they were released. People know better. Seems like they were suppose to be sent out. You release photos from the CRIME SCENE? But you won't release footage of hotel surveillance?

6. Again... a 64 year old man carrying a heavy arsenal. Carrying bullets etc. I could see 1 gun... maybe 2 guns? And a shi$load of ammo... to get your point across. But come on... 20? It seemed like someone was trying to EXAGGERATE the story when drawing it out. Never had to do this. No killer in their right mind would do this. In my opinion... "It's an overkill plan." Especially when the story claims you had an escape plan? If you planned on unloading all the ammunition.... and using all the weapons available... you'd be there for at least 30 minutes + shooting... If not longer. How in the hell did you expect to escape? This is when the cockeyed story gets screwed up when they write it or tell it to the public.

7. Finding guns at his residence... and wiring money to a different country is just to add fuel to the fire. To throw the viewer off who's listening to the story.

Paddock could of been set up in some sort of "odd" deal that just went extremely wrong. You shoot and kill Paddock... and then someone else shoots from the window to carry out the plan. That individual just escapes. The time table at wikipedia tells me this is possible. Not saying 100% possible... but... simply possible.

I don't know of any gambler.... that loves to gamble. Not to mention... a "winning" gambler. Seen on the floor "supposedly" Saturday night gambling.... and says gee... I think I'll shoot a shi#$oad of people in a few hours and kill everyone? It doesn't make sense to me. No financial debt. Nothing wrong with the man. Zero. And you decide.... once you pull the trigger... your great and FREE LIFE... will be over shortly??? It simple doesn't add up to me.

That's why I'm starting to believe he was set up. And there's no way to figure out why... unless more evidence is released. But it won't.

[HurryUpAndDrink]

Well done MoneyShot

Reasonable inquiries.

[TheMoneyShot]

Don't know how accurate this Mandalay Bay Suite layout is? But apparently this is the layout of Paddock's room.

A person claims that one of the broken windows was from the bedroom and/or separate room. Which had an additional entrance/exit too if need be. You can also see the main entrance to the suite. Again, don't know how accurate it is... just posting for other posters opinions.

People are also suggesting that the distance from both broken windows is a decent length. Clearly, the media is saying one area was used to hit possible fuel storage tanks? But was that the real reason? Imagine if you had 2 people firing simultaneously in that room? The smoke and the bullet casings would be everywhere. Naturally, you wouldn't put 2 people side by side firing... correct? A possible reason why 2 different rooms were being used. Not necessarily 1 shooter moving around..... but 2 independent firing zones for 2 active shooters. Again, another theory.








Just an up close image of the broken window.

One person mentioned this...

Because of suicide risks, the windows in modern Las Vegas hotels are made of ballistic glass and have sensors built in them in case anyone tries to break them. If the story is true that the shots came from the 32nd floor and the shooter broke the windows to shoot, the sensors would have been triggered and hotel security would have instantly known which room it was.

I don't know if this is when the security guard approached the room or not? Or if they added this "security guard" to the story because people would of questioned this?

[grease lightnin]

Don't know how accurate this Mandalay Bay Suite layout is? But apparently this is the layout of Paddock's room.

A person claims that one of the broken windows was from the bedroom and/or separate room. Which had an additional entrance/exit too if need be. You can also see the main entrance to the suite. Again, don't know how accurate it is... just posting for other posters opinions.

People are also suggesting that the distance from both broken windows is a decent length. Clearly, the media is saying one area was used to hit possible fuel storage tanks? But was that the real reason? Imagine if you had 2 people firing simultaneously in that room? The smoke and the bullet casings would be everywhere. Naturally, you wouldn't put 2 people side by side firing... correct? A possible reason why 2 different rooms were being used. Not necessarily 1 shooter moving around..... but 2 independent firing zones for 2 active shooters. Again, another theory.








Just an up close image of the broken window.

One person mentioned this...

Because of suicide risks, the windows in modern Las Vegas hotels are made of ballistic glass and have sensors built in them in case anyone tries to break them. If the story is true that the shots came from the 32nd floor and the shooter broke the windows to shoot, the sensors would have been triggered and hotel security would have instantly known which room it was.

I don't know if this is when the security guard approached the room or not? Or if they added this "security guard" to the story because people would of questioned this?

I mentioned way earlier in the thread that I remember opening my window at the W Times Square back in 2003, and security came right upstairs to tell me to close it.

[TheMoneyShot]

Just posting this because I highlighted a few areas.


HOT PINK COLOR - Could this be a situation in which the gun was originally on his chest area? Or fell to the chest area after the shot? As you see a bloody area near the center of his chest... the blood splatter runs off the left shoulder area.... onto the carpet then heading upward to a light bloody area on the carpet. Then, there are darker drips that run North all the way to the apparent gun in which he shot himself with.

Would this indicate that someone intentionally took the gun from his chest and judging from the HOT PINK AREA.... brought the gun all the way to that spot and dropped it? Why was it moved for a photo?

There appears to be blood all of the gun's chamber and trigger area.

Was the blood drops just placed like that? Was it all staged?



ORANGE AREA - This are represents (what seems to be) blood splatter center of the casing. This is the only bullet that appears to have blood on the top of it. You'd figure that since Paddock shot himself in the mouth and the bullet casings were already on the floor... majority of the casings would have blood splatter all over them. But only one does. And who really knows? Someone could of dipped that particular casing into blood? Or placed it on top?



AQUA COLOR - This area represents all casings completely free of blood splatter. There is not a hint of blood on top of the casing. Which is somewhat odd... because majority of the blood is in this area.



What's wrong with this photo?

1. The gun seems to be placed North of the body. If they are suggesting this is where the gun was after the so called suicide... it's 100% impossible. Why would they be this dumb moving it? I have no clue.

2. If you suggest the gun fell on the chest area... then why was the crime scene tampered with... suggesting the gun was further North of the body?

3. Why are 99% of the casings free of blood splatter? Seems almost impossible that blood wasn't splattered on top of the casings. You see a decent area of the hotel floor... but no other area of blood splatter except for the area in HOT PINK. The theory is... someone placed the extra casings on top of the blood for crime scene photos. That's why there is no blood splatter on the casings. Indicating a staged crime scene.

[slambam]

My 2 cents. Paddock did it alone. If he had help, he and his partner would be dumb as fukk to set up cameras, it makes no sense. Plus that 2nd window had a terrible view of the concert area. I don't think the body looks staged. The gun was probably kicked away from the body - typical protocol. The blood on/around the bullets? I just don't see the suspicion. Blood leaked under the clean one's and when his head hit the ground splattered on the other one - which is on the opposite side of his head than the other bullets. The only conspiracy that I can even consider is that this was orchestrated by a higher organization. That still doesn't mean the police or FBI are in on it though.

[Auto Donk]

333 yd shot... not sure if that's the edge of the venue, or the honeypot of sitting ducks dead center on the "floor" of the concert.

well, we now know why the casino hasn't released any video..... there will be a flurry of wrongful death lawsuits. They'd been better off owning the facts up front than lying about them in conjunction with lead coward lying Lombardo.... (this fukhead was either lying from the start or utterly incompetent to have such a terrible grasp on the facts....

expect lvpd / city of vegas to be on the ass end of those wrongful death/pers. injury lawsuits as well....

can't say that i'd have wanted to charge down a bullet riddled hall way to take on a weapon/weapons converted to fully automatic capabilities; they probably should've come up the stairs near his suite, threw in percussion grenades and charged him.... clearly that's a swat team maneuver, not something the donut crew could have been expected to handle.....

but not getting out in front of the facts, but rather choosing to lie about them and cover them up and create a false narrative to cover their asses is going to come back and bite them in the ass.....


ballistics on .223 for any other gun nuts.... significant drop if shooting flat, from elevation the ballistics still generally apply, and you'd have to have some understanding of how much over your targets to aim, to drop the bullets in.... chances are very good that if he'd only had 20 people to shoot at, he'd never hit a one....

but, with a sea of people below, even an unskilled marksman could hit a sea of targets below, which is what he did.

[d2bets]

If the guard had called the police and they immediately knew of the room, then once he started shooting out the window, they could have set up snipers from another building and took him out that way. If they know the target isn't that the best way?

[Auto Donk]

If the guard had called the police and they immediately knew of the room, then once he started shooting out the window, they could have set up snipers from another building and took him out that way. If they know the target isn't that the best way?

no, blast a hole from the room above, drop in percussion grenades, rush the room from the stairwell.... perhaps get snipers with much higher caliber weaponry into Luxor, assuming it even has rooms high enough.... problem with MB being on the end of the strip is there's not a real good counter lair that can get a clear view of the 32nd floor.... maybe the opposite end of MB itself, but still difficult given the shooter's lair and the shooter not getting near the windows to afford a sniper a clear shot at him.....

[Auto Donk]

or do like arnold in one of his movies, comandere a blackhawk, pull it up to the snipers lair, and "light it up".....

personally, since his suite was at the end of the hallway, i'd loved to have blasted a bazooka or rpg down the hall way right into his fukkin' room..... blown his ass right out of there and send him flying 32 floors to the ground below....

MGM execs would shit at all the collateral property damage to their lovely hotel, but fuk em.... they let the fukker load all his shit in their service elevators without question, and gave him the avenue/ability to carry out his carnage in the first place.....

[rkelly110]

Media has it bass ackwards. Paddock blasted himself AFTER the security guard encounter. Thinking they were onto him.
Security guard saved a lot of lives........seeing how it took an hour for swat to get up there.

[Auto Donk]

tms, on your "splatter" evidence.... you have to assume that the gunman shot himself in the mouth while either standing (most likely) or sitting... he didn't lie down on the floor and shoot himself in the head. that's just where he fell.... in all likelihood, the "splatter" from the self inflicted gunshot went in some other direction altogether, and not right where his head ultimately wound up.....

thus, you'll find it somewhere else near the body, possibly some on the f'n ceiling for example.... but the lack of it right near where his head ultimately wound up on the floor isn't that revealing.....

[Auto Donk]

hotel security timeline is certainly to be scrutinized, particularly with all the "window sensor" technology, etc.... seems like they had their heads up their asses for sure.....

so i looked into it... and sure enough....

here's video from the "head of MB's security office" at the time the shooting began:

[Auto Donk]

yesterday's press conference....

to my mind, almost as telling as the change in narrative about the sec. guard being shot before the carnage below, is the fbi goon behind Lombardo staring down the sheriff as if he's just waiting for him to fuk up the narrative again....

just look at that bastard while Lombardo speaks:

[chargers4222]

Some people just can't accept that this man had accomplished what he wanted to accomplish in life, and simply wanted to "go out with a bang." Maybe a clearer motive comes out over time, but I doubt it. He was tired of living, and he just wanted to see what it felt like to kill a bunch of people before he left.

Honest question though -- how long until they start renting out that room again?

[grease lightnin]

Nice job in BTP, chargers!!!

What place are you in? I was looking at top ten earlier and the only one I recognized was Beer Dog.

[Auto Donk]

room will never be used by guests again....

video of latest press conference and "drilling" is very interesting..... soujnds to me like this guy was still in preparation mode, and freaked upon seeing security while preparing, and suddenly felt he had to carry out his plans immediately, as opposed to finishing off his preparation....

in other words, the security guard's presence in the hallway on an unrelated "open door" alarm from another room spurred him into immediate action..... one isn't drilling holes in a wall just prior to unloading on a crowd.... once he felt the gig might be up due to the sec. guard in the hall, he shot at the guard, and then hastily started shooting into the crowd below....

then again, we're dealing with crazy, so who knows.... but the whole drilling (which the sec guard heard), tells me he was forced into action before he was really ready to carry out his plans.....

[slambam]

Some people just can't accept that this man had accomplished what he wanted to accomplish in life, and simply wanted to "go out with a bang." Maybe a clearer motive comes out over time, but I doubt it. He was tired of living, and he just wanted to see what it felt like to kill a bunch of people before he left.

Honest question though -- how long until they start renting out that room again?

Never

[Auto Donk]

one thing for sure, after this latest nugget coming out about drilling sounds in casinos.... and the likelihood that in the future any drilling noises heard coming from my f'n room at Aria, Venetian, the Palms, etc., will probably garner immediate f'n attention from security....

is that I will no longer be able to bring to Vegas one of Ms. Donk's favorite items that typically finds some involvement in our "in room activities".....

so long, it's as if we hardly knew ye:

[teaserpleaser]

one thing for sure, after this latest nugget coming out about drilling sounds in casinos.... and the likelihood that in the future any drilling noises heard coming from my f'n room at Aria, Venetian, the Palms, etc., will probably garner immediate f'n attention from security....

is that I will no longer be able to bring to Vegas one of Ms. Donk's favorite items that typically finds some involvement in our "in room activities".....

so long, it's as if we hardly knew ye:

Donker you crazy man I didn't read that post because I couldn't stop laughing at that picture....how do you find this shit?? lolz

[Cuse0323]

Not sure if Cops are dumb, or conspiracy.

I think I know the answer though.

[Auto Donk]

Donker you crazy man I didn't read that post because I couldn't stop laughing at that picture....how do you find this shit?? lolz

just open my closet door and look inside this big military crate my wife has.....

[Auto Donk]

one thing for sure, in light of the actual evidence now established, is that instead of being a hero that ended the carnage, the security guard was actually the catalyst to the event starting when it did.....

talk about a 180!

[rkelly110]

one thing for sure, in light of the actual evidence now established, is that instead of being a hero that ended the carnage, the security guard was actually the catalyst to the event starting when it did.....

talk about a 180!

If that indeed is the case, goes to show how inept the police force is taking an hour to arrive.

I don't think that is the case, because looking at police body cam videos and listening to their radios, they had no idea
where the shots were coming from at 1st.

[Grits n' Gravy]

Everyone wants instant answers and are looking to find more people to blame when in fact it was just a horrific massacre committed by a piece of shit.

[teaserpleaser]

whats crazy is that cant really find anybody with much bad to say about him.

other than he was cheap.

but theres a lot of those dudes in vegas... the guys that are loaded not tipping cocktail ladies.

[PaperTrail07]

Right....is what it is......sad

Everyone wants instant answers and are looking to find more people to blame when in fact it was just a horrific massacre committed by a piece of shit.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

not sure if this has been posted because I havent been reading the thread
ever since it became downright comical with all the stupid shit theories being brought about



Key Witness in Las Vegas Shooting Kills Self and Daughter Following FBI Raid

A key witness in the Las Vegas shooting massacre has killed himself and his disabled daughter in a horrific murder-suicide shortly after the FBI raided his home.John Beilman was wanted for questioning by federal agents in connection with a communications device discovered in suspected shooter Stephen Paddock’s hotel room.
Investigators searched Beilman’s Fairport home the day before he shot his severely disabled daughter and himself, according to sources close to the investigation.Agents executed a search warrant and raided Beilman’s Williamsburg Drive home the day before he took his daughter, Nicole, into the backyard and shot her and then himself in the back of the head with a 12-gauge shotgun.John Beilman’s 27-year-old daughter, Nicole, had Rett Syndrome, a rare neurological disorder.Nicole Beilman relied upon a wheelchair and was dependent on her parents for care.
According to this report, upon the FBI searching the Mandalay Bay Hotel room used by CIA gun runner Stephen Paddock, a cell phone charger was discovered that had no accompanying phone—with SVR technology experts noting that this type of charger is used to charge a CP502520 3.0V 600mAh Li-MnO2 Non-rechargeable Thin Cell Battery used in various communication devices by both US Special Forces and CIA forces.
The company making this unique lithium battery, this report details, is Ultralife Corporation, based in Newark, New York, that specializes in military communications systems for the Pentagon—and whose lead engineer for this particular communication systems development was John Beilman.Listing himself as a “product design and manufacturing professional”, this report continues, John Beilman was employed by Ultralife Corporation between 2007-2012 where he worked on various top-secret communications systems for the US military—thereafter his leaving to become a top engineer at the General Motors research facility located in Rochester New York.
Fearing that Ultralife Corporation had been secretly funneling their US military communications systems to the CIA, this report notes, this past Tuesday (3 October), the FBI raided the home of John Beilman under a secret US Federal Court warrant—and that caused Beilman, less than 12 hours later, during the early morning hours of Wednesday (4 October), to wheel out his severely disabled daughter Nicole into his home’s backyard where she was executed, with Beilman then killing himself too—and that was followed 48 hours later (6 October) by the Pentagon awarding Ultralife Corporation new contracts valued at over $49 million.
The CIA, this report further notes, has long been known to eliminate witnesses to their “murder sacrifice” “false flag” operations—and that includes the hundreds of witnesses mysteriously killed following the 9/11 “Tower Sacrifice”, and the, likewise, hundreds of witnesses mysteriously dying following the “King Sacrifice” murder of President John F. Kennedy—and that London’s Sunday Times reported the “the odds against these witnesses being dead by February 1967, were one hundred thousand trillion to one.”The FBI claim they didn’t protect, or at the very least put under 24-hour surveillance, John Beilman following their raid on his home, due to American domestic intelligence experiencing a manpower shortage in their Las Vegas massacre investigation.
According to D&C, John Beilman committed the murder-suicide shortly after 5:20 a.m., Fairport police say.Fairport police said Beilman’s wife, Donna Beilman, was inside the home and did not hear the shots that took the life of her husband and daughter.
Fairport Police Chief Samuel Farina said John Beilman left behind a “goodbye note” to his wife that indicated the circumstances of the shooting but not a motive.A neighbor of Beilman reported that he saw two police cars near the home the day before the killings. Farina said this week that police had not responded to any calls at the home.The FBI and federal prosecutors declined to comment.
A federal magistrate judge would have approved a search of the home. However, approval of a search does not ensure a crime was committed; instead, it is a search for evidence of a crime.Records of federal searches are often filed under seal, and there was no public record available Friday of the search of the Fairport home.

[teaserpleaser]

was it just me or was that article a pain in the ass to read?

who the wrote that so much unneeded bullshit in there.