At this stage in 2011 the St Louis Cardinals were +7500

[2daBank]

Brett Cecil , Ceciling up the game as usual .
6-1 game now 6-5 game within minutes of that pussy bitch entering the game

I was watching the kc preseason game so didn't see but why the fukk did matheny pull waino after 5 innings and 77 pitches? Then leave Cecil out there to get clobbered like always. He has tons of good options that been pitching great down there but of course he goes w Cecil cause that his boy.

[pilebuck13]

They won't beat dodgers

[2daBank]

They won't beat dodgers

Heard that before!

I tend to agree but playoffs are a crapshoot, once you get in ya never know.

[thomorino]

Heard that before!

I tend to agree but playoffs are a crapshoot, once you get in ya never know.

Yeah, Wainright was done after 5, very lucky to not get hammered, had control issues, but got some timely double plays. I have money on Cards tonite, he looks like he will have to go back on the DL if he's struggling this much against Atlanta.

[thomorino]

That should do it but you never know with Cards bullpen as good as its been lately.

[2daBank]

Yeah, Wainright was done after 5, very lucky to not get hammered, had control issues, but got some timely double plays. I have money on Cards tonite, he looks like he will have to go back on the DL if he's struggling this much against Atlanta.

Yea I didn't have chance to see but I just heard broadcasters say his velo was way down. Luckily they have weaver waiting in the wings.

[2daBank]

That should do it but you never know with Cards bullpen as good as its been lately.

Needed those cause I don't think rosenthal available tonight.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Cards are rolling

[stevenash]

Numberfire.com which is very accurate, astonishing accurate, one of two services I pay for when I don't feel like putting in the work myself says Cards will finish 85 and 77, have 50/50 chance of making playoffs, 1 in 3 chance of winning division, and 3 percent chance of winning WS, which would make them 33 to 1.

59-56

85-77

49.6%

35.5%

2.8%

[thomorino]

As said, the idea Martinez is a #1 is a fukking joke. He's not even the second best pitcher on his own team right now. Barely getting through Atlanta's lineup with Kemp out

[milwaukee mike]

Numberfire.com which is very accurate, astonishing accurate, one of two services I pay for when I don't feel like putting in the work myself says Cards will finish 85 and 77, have 50/50 chance of making playoffs, 1 in 3 chance of winning division, and 3 percent chance of winning WS, which would make them 33 to 1.

59-56

85-77

49.6%

35.5%

2.8%

based on current betting odds, chances of making the playoffs are a bit worse, to win the division you can still get more than 3-1 odds

i would put odds of winning ws at maybe 50-1, putting some value on the 75-1

[milwaukee mike]

Yup and yup
im just thankful that Cards we're resilient enough to still have life
after blowing over 10 saves and numerous holds this year

could you imagine their record if they woulda converted on even half the save opportunities
even 6 of them would be 12 game swing , take away 6 losses and add 6 wins , cards
wouldmbe running away with the central

that doesn't make any sense, how is winning an additional 6 games somehow a 12 game swing? unless every one of those games was against the cubs, and you could eliminate the brewers/pirates from contention

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Mike......

lets say say you are 6-6

you go on to blow the next 6 games in 9th inning in a row


you would of been

12-6

instead you are

6-12


differential from not 6 games , but 12 games

up 6 to down 6 is a 12 game swing in win loss record

[milwaukee mike]

Mike......

lets say say you are 6-6

you go on to blow the next 6 games in 9th inning in a row


you would of been

12-6

instead you are

6-12


differential from not 6 games , but 12 games

up 6 to down 6 is a 12 game swing in win loss record

if one team is 12-6, and the other is 6-12, the team that is 12-6 has a 6 game lead, not a 12 game lead

[Fidel_CashFlow]

I get what your saying standings wise
but do you see what I mean win loss wise

[lakerboy]

I put$100 on them at +7500. Why not?

[2daBank]

I put$100 on them at +7500. Why not?

At risk of being called a "delusional homer" again I now firmly believe they are gonna take the central.

I certainly don't believe they are better than the nats or doyers but that doesn't mean they can't beat either in a series. I'm certain neither would be thrilled to have to see a team that has gotten them both before as underdogs!

[johnnyvegas13]

I might revisit this in about 2 weeks when Cubs should put the division out of reach

Cards should have a chance to beat zona for final spot

That team is sputtering w greinke losing his mind

This team may have the best 4 man rotation and could stun dodgers in a 5 gm series like philly 5 yrs ago

[thomorino]

I might revisit this in about 2 weeks when Cubs should put the division out of reach

Cards should have a chance to beat zona for final spot

That team is sputtering w greinke losing his mind

This team may have the best 4 man rotation and could stun dodgers in a 5 gm series like philly 5 yrs ago

Arizona's lineup is much better than St. Louis's, Peralta is back now too. Other than Lynn St. Louis's pitchers are all very inconsistent on the road. The Cardinals and the Royals are very similar, both teams that go on hot streaks but aren't likely good enough to make the playoffs because of flaws in the roster. St. Louis has way too many left handed hitters, three of their 4 best current hitters, Fowler, Wong, and Carpenter, are very mediocre against left handed pitchers. Molina usually starts wearing down at this time of the year too.

[krk1030]

Worth a shot to hedge once they have to play the dodgers, but coukd definitely see them knocking off the nationals.

[krk1030]

Arizona's lineup is much better than St. Louis's, Peralta is back now too. Other than Lynn St. Louis's pitchers are all very inconsistent on the road. The Cardinals and the Royals are very similar, both teams that go on hot streaks but aren't likely good enough to make the playoffs because of flaws in the roster. St. Louis has way too many left handed hitters, three of their 4 best current hitters, Fowler, Wong, and Carpenter, are very mediocre against left handed pitchers. Molina usually starts wearing down at this time of the year too.

Arizona's offense is pathetic outside of chase field.

[thomorino]

Arizona is definitely a flawed team, but they still have multiple 25 home run hitters +, the Cardinals have zero. The Cardinals are hitting a year-old leadoff hitter in clean-up.

[johnnyvegas13]

Anyone buying or have a cards ws ticket

it was 80-1 a month ago

now just 20-1

and the nl looks wide open

braves and phillys r a joke

cubs and dodgers r down

Zona and Rockies not that good either

[johnnyvegas13]

I just gotta bump this after cards win again tonight

anyone else thinking cards ws run

just tslked w someone earlier who said they have a deal w the devil

thats ussually what we say after a team wins the ship

[kingdom]

(In response to comment about arizona offense on road:
they are 37-27 on road and bullpen has 10/16 blown saves at home and a bullpen record of 9-14 at home. Seems like they play better on the road in winning games in the later innings. their pitching keeps them in games when their offense doesn't.

[slambam]

These guys are a completely different team without Matheny. It's crazy.

[jts1207]

Cubs are stacked and Bryant back soon.

Will be enjoyable burying the Cards again.

[snider]

Stacked pitching wins in the playoffs though . Cards without Matheny have much better staff than Chicago.

[johnnyvegas13]

I like cards +150 tonight vs the rookies