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  • d2bets
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    • 08-10-05
    • 39995

    #806
    Goodbye to the Trump Bump; Hello to the Trump Slump.
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    • pilebuck13
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      • 05-15-15
      • 17918

      #807
      Originally posted by d2bets
      Goodbye to the Trump Bump; Hello to the Trump Slump.
      why don’t we blame Obama? Because when things were up everyone on the left credited Obama now they blame trump? Do you not see this? Everything just political
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      • jjgold
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        • 07-20-05
        • 388179

        #808
        Massive collapse
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        • vitterd
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          • 09-14-17
          • 58460

          #809
          Originally posted by pilebuck13
          why don’t we blame Obama? Because when things were up everyone on the left credited Obama now they blame trump? Do you not see this? Everything just political
          Trump is a steaming pile of shit....deal with it.
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          • d2bets
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            • 08-10-05
            • 39995

            #810
            Originally posted by pilebuck13
            why don’t we blame Obama? Because when things were up everyone on the left credited Obama now they blame trump? Do you not see this? Everything just political
            And the reverse is true. You credit Trump when the market went up. Things in Year 2 are naturally a whole more about Trump than was Year 1.
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            • guitarjosh
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              • 12-25-07
              • 5786

              #811
              This whole thing is still just a bubble, the Fed is taking the air out.
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              • vitterd
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                • 09-14-17
                • 58460

                #812
                I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that mr bankruptcy is bankrupting the country. I mean, this wasn’t exactly hard to see coming.
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                • guitarjosh
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                  • 12-25-07
                  • 5786

                  #813
                  He entered office with 20 trillion in debt, we're already bankrupt.
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                  • DeathAdder
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                    • 12-04-14
                    • 588

                    #814
                    The perfect Christmas Present would be seeing Donald Trump impeached. Not asking for a lot Santa. Make it happen and I'll donate $5000 to Shriners so fast I'd make Usain Bolt do a double take. Want to see every last person with their 401ks, pensions, stocks on the line to turn on this egomaniacal dictator because ya'll gonna lose it with this dipsh_t running the country.
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                    • pavyracer
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                      • 04-12-07
                      • 82736

                      #815
                      Trump wipeout out in a week almost a trillion in stock value. This is a disaster never seen in our lifetime.
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                      • DwightShrute
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                        • 01-17-09
                        • 103112

                        #816
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                        • Madison
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                          • 09-16-11
                          • 6442

                          #817
                          Yep. To the tune of unwinding 50 Billion a month of the bonds they bought to prop this deception up. What's the total 4 Trillion?
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                          • Grits n' Gravy
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                            • 06-10-10
                            • 13024

                            #818
                            Originally posted by brooks85
                            that should tell you something moron lol

                            I told you about this on day 1. Exactly about this. Everything you've done has been seen and defeated before.


                            lol the moron grits was a hillary supporter


                            day 1 stuff here kids
                            Actually I wasn’t a Hillary supporter. Not once did I say she was a qualified candidate. Go crawl back up into that yeasty, smelly, disease infested hole your mom calls a vagina. The real world is not for you.

                            Brooks and his white trash family waiting on their govt bologna and cheese so they can celebrate Christmas.
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                            • Madison
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                              • 09-16-11
                              • 6442

                              #819
                              Originally posted by guitarjosh
                              This whole thing is still just a bubble, the Fed is taking the air out.
                              Sorry. Been awhile

                              Yep. To the tune of unwinding 50 Billion a month of the bonds they bought to prop this deception up. What's the total 4 Trillion?
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                              • Grits n' Gravy
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                                • 06-10-10
                                • 13024

                                #820
                                Is anyone surprised Trump running market to ground? Every single one of his business ventures goes down the shitter. Fortunately his supporters aren’t fully affected by drop since they have zero money invested in anything.
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                                • RoyBacon
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                                  • 09-21-05
                                  • 37074

                                  #821
                                  Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy
                                  Is anyone surprised Trump running market to ground? Every single one of his business ventures goes down the shitter. Fortunately his supporters aren’t fully affected by drop since they have zero money invested in anything.
                                  ...are you retarded?

                                  I'm going to answer for you by posting some of his ventures;

                                  • Trump Tower, 725 Fifth Avenue, Midtown Manhattan: A 58-story[79] mixed-use tower, the headquarters of the Trump Organization, was developed in partnership with The Equitable, and opened in 1983. Trump bought out the Equitable's stake in 1986,[80] and now owns the office and retail components of the tower.[81] The building also contains the three-story penthouse apartment that was Donald Trump's primary residence until he moved to the White House.[82] The value of the tower was estimated at $450 million in 2017.[83] Trump took out a $100 million mortgage on the building in 2012.[81]
                                  • Trump World Tower, 845 United Nations Plaza, also in Midtown Manhattan: In 2006, Forbes magazine estimated "$290 million in profits and unrealized appreciation" going to Trump.[84]
                                  • AXA Financial Center in Manhattan and 555 California Street in San Francisco: Trump owns a 30 percent stake in these two office buildings, resulting from a property swap involving Riverside South. Trump's stake in the two buildings was estimated to be at least $850 million as of 2013.[81]
                                  • The Trump Building at 40 Wall Street: Trump bought and renovated this building for $1 million in 1995. The pre-tax net operating income at the building as of 2011 was US$20.89 million and is valued at $350 to $400 million, according to the New York Department of Finance. Trump took out a $160 million mortgage attached to the property with an interest rate of 5.71% to use for other investments.[81] Forbes valued the property at $260 million in 2006.[84]
                                  • Trump International Hotel and Tower Chicago: The entire project is valued at $1.2 billion ($112 million stake for Trump).
                                  • Trump International Hotel Las Vegas: A joint development with fellow Forbes 400 members, Phil Ruffin ("key partner"), and Jack Wishna ("minority partner").[85] In 2006, Trump's stake was estimated at $162 million.[84] In Forbes in March 2017, the Trump International Las Vegas was described as a 50-50 partnership between Donald Sr. and Ruffin, with Eric as the primary manager for the Trump Organization.[70]
                                  • Trump International Hotel and Tower New York: Trump provided his name and expertise to the building's owner (GE) during the building's re-development in 1994 for a fee totaling $40 million ($25 million for project management and $15 million in incentives deriving from the condo sales). Forbes values Trump's stake at $12 million. In March 2010, the penthouse apartment at Trump International Hotel & Tower in New York City sold for $33 million.[86][87]
                                  • Trump Park Avenue Park Avenue & 59th Street: It is valued at $142 million. Trump owns 23 apartments at Trump Park Avenue, which he rents for rates as high as $100,000 per month, and 19 units at Trump Parc.[81]
                                  • 6 East 57th Street: Trump has a leasehold interest on this retail building, adjacent to Trump Tower, through the year 2079.[88] The building was occupied by a Niketown store from 1996 to 2018.[88][89] The value of Trump's interest was estimated at $470 million as of 2015.[90]
                                  • Mar-a-Lago: A historic estate in Palm Beach, Florida, most of which was converted by Trump into a members-only resort. The property was worth as much as $250 million as of 2013.[81] Trump also owns two neighboring private houses, valued at $6.5 million and $3 million.[81]
                                  • Seven Springs: A 213-acre (86 ha) estate with a 13-bedroom mansion near Bedford, New York. Trump paid $7.5 million for the property in 1995.[91] Local brokers put the property's value at around $40 million as of 2013.[81] Trump had hoped to develop the land with a golf course or houses, but apparently abandoned those plans in 2015.[91]
                                  • Beverly Hills house: A 5-bedroom home purchased by Trump in 2007 for $7 million,[92] and valued at $8.5 to $10 million as of 2013.[81]
                                  • Trump International Hotel Washington, D.C.: The Old Post Office Pavilion, historically known as the Old Post Office and Clock Tower, is a property located at 1100 Pennsylvania Avenue NW in Washington, D.C. The Trump Organization developed the property into a luxury hotel, which opened in September 2016.

                                  Carousel

                                  Central Park Carousel: A merry-go-round carousel located in Central Park, Manhattan. In 2010, Trump took over the management of the Central Park carousel, where he promised to revive the merry-go-round after its previous operator was removed by the city's parks department. The carousel generates $589,000 from annual admissions.[93][94][95] The Trump Organization has a contract to operate the carousel through 2021.[96]
                                  Skating rink


                                  Wollman Rink, Central Park


                                  Wollman Rink: A public ice rink in the southern part of Central Park. Wollman Rink has been operated by a joint venture between Trump Organization and Rink Management Services of Mechanicsville, Virginia since 2001. The Trump name is prominently displayed on the walls of the rink as well as on the Zamboni that maintains the rink. Operation of the Lasker Rink on the north edge of Central Park is also handled by the two companies. The rink generates close to $8.7 million in annual income from rink admissions.[78][93][94] The Trump Organization has a contract to operate the rink through 2021.[96]
                                  Trump Winery

                                  Trump Winery is a winery situated on Trump Vineyard Estates near Charlottesville, Virginia. It is valued between $5 million to $25 million.[78]
                                  The vineyard was purchased by Trump in April 2011 from Patricia Kluge, the widow of John Kluge. The property was distressed.[97] and was officially opened in October 2011.[98] Trump Winery is situated in the Monticello Wine Trail. Trump's son Eric was a partner in the purchase.[99]
                                  After purchasing the property, Trump turned over management of the winery to his son.
                                  Golf courses

                                  The Trump Organization owns or manages seventeen golf courses in the United States, Scotland, Ireland, and the United Arab Emirates.[100] As of 2015, Trump listed income of at least $176 million in an 18-month span from his golf courses – about 41% of the low-end estimate of his income.[78]
                                  United States


                                  Trump National Golf Club in Los Angeles




                                  Trump Turnberry golf course in Scotland



                                  International


                                  Real estate licensing


                                  Trump International Hotel at Las Vegas




                                  The former Trump International Hotel & Tower, Toronto


                                  Many developers pay Donald Trump to market their properties and be the public face for their projects.[107] For that reason, Trump does not own many of the buildings that display his name.[107] According to Forbes, this portion of Trump's empire, actually run by his children, has valuation of $562 million. According to Forbes, there were 33 licensing projects under development including seven "condo hotels" (i.e. The seven Trump International Hotel and Tower developments). Trump has generated more than $74 million in real estate licensing deals and has $823.3 million worth of real estate in joint ventures.[81]
                                  • Manhattan:
                                    • Trump Palace: 200 East 69th Street, New York, NY.
                                    • Trump Parc and Trump Parc East: Two adjoining buildings on Central Park South on the southwest corner of The Avenue of the Americas. Trump Parc East is a 14-story apartment building and Trump Parc (the former Barbizon Plaza Hotel) is a 38-story condominium building.
                                    • Trump Plaza: 167 East 61st Street, New York, NY (36-story, Y-shaped plan condominium building on the Upper East Side)
                                    • 610 Park Avenue (Old Mayfair Hotel): Trump is helping with the construction and development of this property for Colony NorthStar.
                                    • Trump SoHo: Hotel Condominium: A partnership with Bayrock Group to build a 42-story building in Soho.[citation needed] "Russian-born" Felix Sater was listed as an employee of Bayrock when the partnership was born. Sater had served time in prison for injuries he inflicted in a bar fight before the Soho partnership.[71]

                                  • New York City suburbs:
                                  • Florida:
                                  • Other domestic:
                                  • International:
                                    • Elite Tower, Ramat Gan, Israel was a planned commercial real estate development slated to be the tallest building in Israel. Called the Trump Plaza Tower, Trump shelved the plans in 2007, when the site was sold on to Azorim for NIS 306.5 million.[122][123] Trump purchased the site for $44 million.[124]
                                    • Trump International Hotel & Tower Lido Lake, West Java, Indonesia. Trump Hotels will be involved with the 700-hectare Lido Lake development, 1 hour from Bandung, Indonesia including a six-star luxury resort, 18-hole signature Ernie Els championship golf course, elite Lifestyle Country Club & Spa as well as a high-end residential offering including luxury villas and condominiums.[125][126] One of the Trump Organization's partners in Indonesia is Tanoesoedibjo, who is "building up a following as he mulls a presidential run", according to Forbes.[70][71] MNC Lido City is partially funded by the Chinese government.[127][128]
                                    • Trump International Hotel & Tower Vancouver, Vancouver. A skyscraper under construction in Downtown Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. The 63-story, 188-metre-high (617 ft), mixed-use tower is located at 1133 West Georgia Street, and has been completed in 2016. Trump Vancouver is the second tallest building in the city, after the Shangri-La tower located across West Georgia Street.[citation needed] The licensed tower in Vancouver is a project primarily of Donald Jr.'s with its builder, "Malaysian heir Joo Kim Tiah".[70]
                                    • Trump Towers Istanbul, Istanbul, Turkey[129]



                                  Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower, Panama



                                  Former properties

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                                  • vitterd
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                                    • 09-14-17
                                    • 58460

                                    #822
                                    Roy still thinks trump has money. Lmao.

                                    Dude, the guy is as broke as you and his credit rating is lower than Jt315 IQ

                                    His one success in life was being a con man that fooled the dumbest of the dumb to vote for him.
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                                    • guitarjosh
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 12-25-07
                                      • 5786

                                      #823
                                      This thread is basically what's wrong with America. Most people would rather get political gain than fix the underlying issues.
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                                      • vitterd
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                                        • 09-14-17
                                        • 58460

                                        #824
                                        Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                        This thread is basically what's wrong with America. Most people would rather get political gain than fix the underlying issues.
                                        The right used 9/11 to attempt political gain....so, everything is used for political gain.
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                                        • DwightShrute
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                                          • 01-17-09
                                          • 103112

                                          #825
                                          Originally posted by vitterd
                                          The right used 9/11 to attempt political gain....so, everything is used for political gain.
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                                          • DwightShrute
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                                            • 01-17-09
                                            • 103112

                                            #826
                                            Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy
                                            Is anyone surprised Trump running market to ground? Every single one of his business ventures goes down the shitter. Fortunately his supporters aren’t fully affected by drop since they have zero money invested in anything.
                                            failure is part of success. The most successful people are those that failed more than most. That's because they take chances. Try it.

                                            Try something .... I dunno .... a chef for instance. Make a dish people will love and give you money to eat it. I bet you will fail several times before you get it right.

                                            It's common knowledge. I thought.
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                                            • guitarjosh
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                                              • 12-25-07
                                              • 5786

                                              #827
                                              Originally posted by vitterd
                                              The right used 9/11 to attempt political gain....so, everything is used for political gain.
                                              Yes, and so did the left, just like both sides are trying to with the economy & stock market. Both sides are wrong then, and both are wrong now. We've been blowing bubbles since the mid 90s. Each bubble has been bigger, and each crash was worse, and that will get worse until we stop blowing bubbles.

                                              I doubt we're in a recession right now, and it would be a first if we went from cycle highs to a recession in 3-4 months. If the democrats sweep to power in 2020 and there is no recession, it will probably happen on their watch. Unfortunately, the GOP will probably try to make political hay of it rather than fixing the underlying problem, the Fed.

                                              What we're seeing is the fallacy of central planning, we set the price for credit the same way communist countries set the price of everything, and just as they would end up with massive surpluses or shortages, we're getting the same thing when it comes to credit and liquidity.
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                                              • guitarjosh
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 12-25-07
                                                • 5786

                                                #828
                                                Originally posted by Madison
                                                Sorry. Been awhile

                                                Yep. To the tune of unwinding 50 Billion a month of the bonds they bought to prop this deception up. What's the total 4 Trillion?

                                                50 billion a month being unloaded is the equivalent of a 2.75 basis point hike a month, or 33 basis points a year.
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                                                • Thor4140
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                                                  • 02-09-08
                                                  • 22296

                                                  #829
                                                  Originally posted by pilebuck13
                                                  why don’t we blame Obama? Because when things were up everyone on the left credited Obama now they blame trump? Do you not see this? Everything just political
                                                  No we said give him two years and it is all on him and that is what happen. You just can’t get passed your Trump blinders. The guy is a disgrace of a human and if u haven’t figured it out after seeing what he was using his charity money for than you must be despicable too.
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                                                  • grease lightnin
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                                                    • 10-01-12
                                                    • 16015

                                                    #830
                                                    Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                    the underlying problem, the Fed.
                                                    .
                                                    Is Powell too vague/incompetent?

                                                    Or is he just trying to break the market’s co dependence on the Fed?

                                                    Either way the market is throwing a tantrum over it.
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                                                    • DrunkHorseplayer
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                                                      • 05-15-10
                                                      • 7719

                                                      #831
                                                      The markets will be fine; trade war talk has people scared, nothing more.
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                                                      • guitarjosh
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                                                        • 12-25-07
                                                        • 5786

                                                        #832
                                                        Originally posted by grease lightnin
                                                        Is Powell too vague/incompetent?

                                                        Or is he just trying to break the market’s co dependence on the Fed?

                                                        Either way the market is throwing a tantrum over it.
                                                        Hard to say at this point, but I think it's safe to say Greenspan, Bernanke, and Yellen were all incompetent, and left a huge bubble. He is probably trying to clean it up, and break the market's reliance on cheap money, but he could easily over tighten and cause a recession. Trump should have picked Neel Kashkari if he was wanting to keep the good times rolling.
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                                                        • grease lightnin
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 10-01-12
                                                          • 16015

                                                          #833
                                                          Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                          Hard to say at this point, but I think it's safe to say Greenspan, Bernanke, and Yellen were all incompetent, and left a huge bubble. He is probably trying to clean it up, and break the market's reliance on cheap money, but he could easily over tighten and cause a recession. Trump should have picked Neel Kashkari if he was wanting to keep the good times rolling.

                                                          Yea, it was great to hear Greenspan say everyone should run for cover earlier this week. He needs to go away once and for all.
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                                                          • chico2663
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                                                            • 09-02-10
                                                            • 36915

                                                            #834
                                                            Originally posted by pilebuck13
                                                            why don’t we blame Obama? Because when things were up everyone on the left credited Obama now they blame trump? Do you not see this? Everything just political
                                                            because he let cohn sp go for a faux pundit.
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                                                            • pavyracer
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 04-12-07
                                                              • 82736

                                                              #835
                                                              Trump is a tariff man. He will win this war but the price will be the economy tanks.
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                                                              • Venom72
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 10-05-16
                                                                • 2041

                                                                #836
                                                                Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                                Trump is a tariff man. He will win this war but the price will be the economy tanks.
                                                                Well, thats not really winning then
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                                                                • RoyBacon
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                                                                  • 09-21-05
                                                                  • 37074

                                                                  #837
                                                                  Luckily the price of Food Stamps remain UNCH.
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                                                                  • chico2663
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                                                                    • 09-02-10
                                                                    • 36915

                                                                    #838
                                                                    no but price of food went up. Shows what a dumb ass trump and his followers are... he said he was the tariff president. Stock market has taken a negative dump of at least 3000. He also had to give farmers 2 give aways after we already give the farmers a give away. Drump doing his best to make us a 3rd world country
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                                                                    • chico2663
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                                                                      • 09-02-10
                                                                      • 36915

                                                                      #839
                                                                      Hey roy are you smart enough to know that he just licensed his name to most those properties? Didn't think so.
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                                                                      • RoyBacon
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                                                                        • 09-21-05
                                                                        • 37074

                                                                        #840
                                                                        Originally posted by chico2663
                                                                        Hey roy are you smart enough to know that he just licensed his name to most those properties? Didn't think so.
                                                                        Yea.. that's eassssy money.

                                                                        He owns a lot on that list. His holdings are valued at $9-11 billion.
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