Trump Tax Plan

[brooks85]

like what? name one thing.


also, it's been established many times you don't have an accurate source of news in Australia so hilarious you would even use the words "understand" or "believe."

...



I don't know how you do it, but you leave me speechless with your stupidity sometimes. Just like your "7 years" post. You are penetrating dumb lol




"he lives there"

no penetrating shit moron, good job.

another one by comedy legend rkelly and he runs away immediately lol




"also, it's been established many times you don't have an accurate source of news in Australia so hilarious you would even use the words"

lol where the penetrate else would I saying he lived? penetrating idiot lol




and jokes on me because you're allowed to vote, un-penetrating real. Can't even do simple math or a read a penetrating sentence but is allowed to vote; America.

[rkelly110]

Brooksy losing it. Talking to himself. Many times today.

[brooks85]

^that's not going to work for you

another one by comedy legend rkelly and he runs away immediately lol

[Snowball]

watching the French debate
Le Pen says retirement age must stay at 60
tell me why the hell America doesn't have a retirement
age of 60 ... oh yeah.. that's right, sorry... "freedom".

[jtoler]

How much $$$ did Wall Street invest in candidate Trump, Optional? How much did any big industry invest in him for that matter? The United States is way overdue for a president who isn't hamstrung by a lifetime of corporate commitments.

No one gives a fuk about his tax returns - UNLESS HE BROKE THE LAW. Until he's not in compliance people should shut the fuk up. Obama's academic record is sealed, that way prying eyes can't see for themselves what he really thinks (or how dumb he is). IT WOULD BE USED AGAINST HIM. But he is in legal compliance, so we move on. People want Trump's tax records to pull out some of the BS that every billionaire does - so that IT CAN BE USED AGAINST HIM. But, again, he's in compliance. So we move on.

I suggest the "resistance" find something that actually interests and/or helps the American voter instead. That would be better for everyone.

Funny guy.

[guitarjosh]

watching the French debate
Le Pen says retirement age must stay at 60
tell me why the hell America doesn't have a retirement
age of 60 ... oh yeah.. that's right, sorry... "freedom".

People can stop working whenever they want, but to say that someone gets to stop producing and society is legally obligated to support them for decades is insane.

[Optional]

People can stop working whenever they want, but to say that someone gets to stop producing and society is legally obligated to support them for decades is insane.

Yeah Insane. That you as a member of 'the people' care so little about people that you never want to pay for anything for others (and yourself by extention)

You may not have retirement security for old people there but all the other civilized rich countries do. Why is that?

Why not in America? Simply because you guys are too selfish and stingy to get past the thought of "your taxes" going to someone else. No matter how much better society is for that cost. Irrelevant!!

What's really insane is how tight ass you are even when it comes to investing in a better future for yourself and all others. You still object to the "all others" receiving anything no matter what!

[guitarjosh]

Yeah Insane. That you as a member of 'the people' care so little about people that you never want to pay for anything for others (and yourself by extention)

You may not have retirement security for old people there but all the other civilized rich countries do. Why is that?

Why not in America? Simply because you guys are too selfish and stingy to get past the thought of "your taxes" going to someone else. No matter how much better society is for that cost. Irrelevant!!

What's really insane is how tight ass you are even when it comes to investing in a better future for yourself and all others. You still object to the "all others" receiving anything no matter what!

If you're talking about paying people to sit home and not contribute to society, you're right, I don't want to pay for that.

Those other civilized countries are heading over a demographic cliff with their aging populations. In USA, there is social security for people 65 and up.

I'm not against investing at all, but let's not confuse investing with spending money to buy votes. Again, you're right, I have no interest in paying someone who can contribute to society to sit home and contribute nothing. Please tell me how paying able bodied adults to sit home and contribute nothing to society is helping me. If you want to do that so bad, why don't you send me a check every month?

You liberals never cease to amaze me, me not wanting to pay someone with a healthy mind and body that can still contribute to society to sit home and do nothing is me being selfish and greedy, but someone wanting to sit home and live off what someone else produces is perfectly acceptable. Newspeak at its finest.

[Optional]

If you're talking about paying people to sit home and not contribute to society, you're right, I don't want to pay for that.

You know I wasn't but you have to go with the I'm a victim rhetoric as you have no other weapons or excuse apart from 'I dont wanna pay for that'.

I was talking about modern rich countries providing security for the aged. I think you should be able to see how that benefits a society, and you as on individual, without explanation.

It's only short sighted selfish types who like to personalize it and want to decide who is fit enough to work or not themselves.

Working people until they die is not required in rich countries. The 'perk' of actually being able to retire at 65 if you wish after a lifetime of working is not something to treat as shameful or bad. You're just too stingy to see past the $$$ and recognize that some programs are worth funding for the greater good of all. Not just 'good' for you right now.

[guitarjosh]

You know I wasn't but you have to go with the I'm a victim rhetoric as you have no other weapons or excuse apart from 'I dont wanna pay for that'.

I was talking about modern rich countries providing security for the aged. I think you should be able to see how that benefits a society, and you as on individual, without explanation.

It's only short sighted selfish types who like to personalize it and want to decide who is fit enough to work or not themselves.

Working people until they die is not required in rich countries. The 'perk' of actually being able to retire at 65 if you wish after a lifetime of working is not something to treat as shameful or bad. You're just too stingy to see past the $$$ and recognize that some programs are worth funding for the greater good of all. Not just 'good' for you right now.

First you're talking about providing security for people who can't provide for themselves, second you talk about letting people stop working at 65 and live on the backs of society for decades.

Let's say we have an SBR potluck dinner. Everyone is bringing something to the dinner, but I pay you not to bring anything. Tell me how anyone but yourself is better. Everyone would be better off if you brought something to the dinner. I'm worse off because there is less at the table and I have less money in my pocket. The only one who is better off is you. In the same way, everyone would be better off if people with an able body and mind were contributing to society. Again, people can live beneath their means and save and retire whenever they wish.

The real problem with your argument is that you're not looking at the fact that as people live longer, the costs to provide for them goes up, meaning younger generations can't afford to have children to pay into the system, meaning the system will at some point collapse unless changes are made.

I went back and reread both your posts to me and you didn't make one argument about how society is better off by paying people not to contribute to society. Perhaps you might start? I've explained how society is worse off and showed real examples of what happens.

Also, since you want to pay people to do nothing, why don't you start sending me gift cards from the SBR store?

[Optional]

One reason society is better off if the aging have security of lifestyle and the ability to look forward to the day they can retire is because it directly contributes in a big way to individual quality of life and overall social cohesion.

This is what we should be wanting our taxes spent on as a base priority. Making life better for the people.

I get that with an aging population that becomes tougher to fund unless working age numbers increase as well (immigration) but it's a backward step to throw out the baby with bathwater and start saying workers should no longer have the choice to retire if they have kept themselves healthy. I hesitate to call it a human right to not have to work until you die but when it comes to rich countries it is close to that imho.

[rkelly110]

People can stop working whenever they want, but to say that someone gets to stop producing and society is legally obligated to support them for decades is insane.

You are more than welcome to save for your own retirement and health care. Both of which you sign up for.
Just don't sign up. Tired of paying taxes from your hard work? Quit. Start a cash only business under the
radar. Move up to Alaska, live off the land. Many choices. If you get out of taxes, you still die.

Your case is no different than why companies leave. They want their money! Don't want to pay federal, state,
employee or SS taxes, let alone high wages.

There's a word for you both......greed.

[53 defense]

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In Delaware, people even put it in their pipes and smoke it !!!! No Kidding

I am in support of this, and suggest you all try it.


Have a great day to ALL!!!!!

[PittsburghPlayer]

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In Delaware, people even put it in their pipes and smoke it !!!! No Kidding

I am in support of this, and suggest you all try it.


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[guitarjosh]

One reason society is better off if the aging have security of lifestyle and the ability to look forward to the day they can retire is because it directly contributes in a big way to individual quality of life and overall social cohesion.

This is what we should be wanting our taxes spent on as a base priority. Making life better for the people.

I get that with an aging population that becomes tougher to fund unless working age numbers increase as well (immigration) but it's a backward step to throw out the baby with bathwater and start saying workers should no longer have the choice to retire if they have kept themselves healthy. I hesitate to call it a human right to not have to work until you die but when it comes to rich countries it is close to that imho.

People can already do that without taking 15% of workers' incomes. I'm also saying that if older people were still contributing and younger people were not paying them to not work, we could do a lot more good for the country, like paying down the national debt.

You are more than welcome to save for your own retirement and health care. Both of which you sign up for.
Just don't sign up. Tired of paying taxes from your hard work? Quit. Start a cash only business under the
radar. Move up to Alaska, live off the land. Many choices. If you get out of taxes, you still die.

Your case is no different than why companies leave. They want their money! Don't want to pay federal, state,
employee or SS taxes, let alone high wages.

There's a word for you both......greed.

Not paying taxes because you're paid in cash is illegal and will get you in jail, living off the land will require you to pay property tax.

Key word is the companies want what the companies produce. You want what the companies produce for free. You're the greedy one Kelly.

[chico2663]

People can already do that without taking 15% of workers' incomes. I'm also saying that if older people were still contributing and younger people were not paying them to not work, we could do a lot more good for the country, like paying down the national debt.



Not paying taxes because you're paid in cash is illegal and will get you in jail, living off the land will require you to pay property tax.

Key word is the companies want what the companies produce. You want what the companies produce for free. You're the greedy one Kelly.

I see it the other way. My taxes collectively have paid for roads bridges and other infrastructure that companies are using. They need to realize that.

[guitarjosh]

I see it the other way. My taxes collectively have paid for roads bridges and other infrastructure that companies are using. They need to realize that.

Their taxes have paid for those as well, and you didn't pay the gas tax so you could help other companies, it was so you could help yourself. Helping them was a byproduct of helping yourself, as them helping them causes them to help you.

[Snowball]

Kushner's sister is selling US citizenship to Chinese investors

so they can become New Jersey landlords.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/07/jared-kushners-family-criticised-for-touting-cash-for-visas-scheme-in-china

[rkelly110]

People can already do that without taking 15% of workers' incomes. I'm also saying that if older people were still contributing and younger people were not paying them to not work, we could do a lot more good for the country, like paying down the national debt.



Not paying taxes because you're paid in cash is illegal and will get you in jail, living off the land will require you to pay property tax.

Key word is the companies want what the companies produce. You want what the companies produce for free. You're the greedy one Kelly.

You need to get out more my friend. Go to any supermarket, Lowe's, fast food joint, Home Depot during the day
and you will see retired old people working, still contributing to society at all levels. Are they hogging up the jobs
that entitled brats don't want to do? FYI, retirees pay into medicare also.

These entitled basement dwellers want what their parents have now. Not years later of climbing the ladder.
The fault lies with their pampering parents.

If you are gonna pay taxes on cash, bless your heart, good luck on getting prosecuted if you don't.

Companies want their cake and eat it too. Most do when they go overseas. I want them to pay their fair share
nothing more, nothing less. You and companies are bitching about taxes not me. How can I be greedy?

[chico2663]

Their taxes have paid for those as well, and you didn't pay the gas tax so you could help other companies, it was so you could help yourself. Helping them was a byproduct of helping yourself, as them helping them causes them to help you.

You wrong there. I drove over 60,000 a year and couldn't take the mileage off because of alternative minimum tax.

[guitarjosh]

You need to get out more my friend. Go to any supermarket, Lowe's, fast food joint, Home Depot during the day
and you will see retired old people working, still contributing to society at all levels. Are they hogging up the jobs
that entitled brats don't want to do? FYI, retirees pay into medicare also.

These entitled basement dwellers want what their parents have now. Not years later of climbing the ladder.
The fault lies with their pampering parents.

If you are gonna pay taxes on cash, bless your heart, good luck on getting prosecuted if you don't.

Companies want their cake and eat it too. Most do when they go overseas. I want them to pay their fair share
nothing more, nothing less. You and companies are bitching about taxes not me. How can I be greedy?

I understand some people are working, but others aren't, they're living off taxpayers' dollars when they could be contributing to society.

The fault lies with the politicians who refuse to fix education and realize that market demands move faster than politicians. If those kids were taught vocations in high school instead of the stuff they're learning now, they'd get out of HS and be earning $15-$16 an hour to start.

Any money I make is to be taxed. If I don't report it, I'm guilty of not paying taxes.

Everyone wants their cake and eat it too. You want them to pay their fair share? What is that exactly? Let's say again we have an SBR potluck. I bring 45% of the food, I sit down and eat 17% of the food. How am I being selfish and greedy? I brought nearly half the food. Yes I ate 17%, but of the remaining food, roughly 33% was brought by me, and I'm not going to eat it. Aren't the people who brought nothing and showed up for free food selfish and greedy?

Seeing how the wealthiest 1% get 17% of the income and pay 45% of the income taxes, tell me how they're not paying their fair share and how my example is wrong.

[chico2663]

When the oil business pick up I know for a fact that an individual made over 60 million and his percentage was far less than mine making 140.000 being self employed. I know a guy that inherited 3 factories (I was best man in his wedding) paid less percentage than I did. So please don't tell me how your 35,000 dollar a year wannabee is an apologist for big business.

[guitarjosh]

You wrong there. I drove over 60,000 a year and couldn't take the mileage off because of alternative minimum tax.

What did I say that was wrong? The AMT was put in place to make sure that wealthier individuals pay their "fair share", sounds like something you would be in favor of.

[guitarjosh]

When the oil business pick up I know for a fact that an individual made over 60 million and his percentage was far less than mine making 140.000 being self employed. I know a guy that inherited 3 factories (I was best man in his wedding) paid less percentage than I did. So please don't tell me how your 35,000 dollar a year wannabee is an apologist for big business.

I'm an apologist for freedom and fairness. I don't know the deals of your anecdotes, but someone can earn 60 million one year but have losses over the previous years to offset the gains. If in 2017 someone loses 59 million but makes 59.1 million in 2018, should he be taxed 50 million despite only making 100k over a 2 year span?

[rkelly110]

I understand some people are working, but others aren't, they're living off taxpayers' dollars when they could be contributing to society.

The fault lies with the politicians who refuse to fix education and realize that market demands move faster than politicians. If those kids were taught vocations in high school instead of the stuff they're learning now, they'd get out of HS and be earning $15-$16 an hour to start.

Any money I make is to be taxed. If I don't report it, I'm guilty of not paying taxes.

Everyone wants their cake and eat it too. You want them to pay their fair share? What is that exactly? Let's say again we have an SBR potluck. I bring 45% of the food, I sit down and eat 17% of the food. How am I being selfish and greedy? I brought nearly half the food. Yes I ate 17%, but of the remaining food, roughly 33% was brought by me, and I'm not going to eat it. Aren't the people who brought nothing and showed up for free food selfish and greedy?

Seeing how the wealthiest 1% get 17% of the income and pay 45% of the income taxes, tell me how they're not paying their fair share and how my example is wrong.

So are you gonna work until you drop over? The less retirees work, the more young people have jobs. I mean how
long should one work? 40-50-60 years? I guess you are an advocate for the 70 retirement age? Good luck with that,
hope you have good genes. If you were in charge, there'd be no SS or medicare. Fuk 'em. Let 'em die. Ask your
grandparents why they aren't working and get back to me.

Funny. I went to a vocational school, printing. Went to a printing company started out at $1.65 an hour.
Whoo hoo! I was living the life! Top rate now is $15 after many years. Don't know what world you live in, but man
you are way out of touch.

So, if you went to a casino and won $600 and didn't have to fill out a 1099G form you'd still report?
Do you report your sports betting winnings?

Yes, those that didn't bring anything are greedy, selfish, scumbags, but the funny part is, they are tighty righties.
Seen it many times in person.

If you are gonna be an apologist for the rich, I'm done here, thanks for playing.

[guitarjosh]

So are you gonna work until you drop over? The less retirees work, the more young people have jobs. I mean how
long should one work? 40-50-60 years? I guess you are an advocate for the 70 retirement age? Good luck with that,
hope you have good genes. If you were in charge, there'd be no SS or medicare. Fuk 'em. Let 'em die. Ask your
grandparents why they aren't working and get back to me.

Funny. I went to a vocational school, printing. Went to a printing company started out at $1.65 an hour.
Whoo hoo! I was living the life! Top rate now is $15 after many years. Don't know what world you live in, but man
you are way out of touch.

So, if you went to a casino and won $600 and didn't have to fill out a 1099G form you'd still report?
Do you report your sports betting winnings?

Yes, those that didn't bring anything are greedy, selfish, scumbags, but the funny part is, they are tighty righties.
Seen it many times in person.

If you are gonna be an apologist for the rich, I'm done here, thanks for playing.

No, I'm not going to work until I drop over because I save and invest now. There aren't a set # of jobs in this country, so if an older person still works they could very well create more jobs for younger people. You also have to factor in productivity, and older people are typically more productive than younger people, so society is better if more productive people are working than less productive people. My grandparents were a teacher and a miner, they lived well beneath their means, saved and invested and were able to retire comfortably. I'm not against people retiring, I'm against paying people that can contribute to society to not contribute.

Look at what HVACR techs, electricians, plumbers, coders, etc make at entry level positions. They get $15-$16 an hour to start, by the time they're in their mid 20s they will be making 45-50k a year.

Legally I would have to report my winnings. If they find out I don't they can throw me in jail. The IRS can audit you because they claim your income doesn't match your lifestyle.

Let's see your proof they're on the right. The real issue is that I'm saying regardless of their philosophy, they should be paying more. You're saying they shouldn't be, in fact they're not getting enough and the person who brought almost half of the food is doing too little.

I'm going to be an apologists for freedom and fairness, you're an apologist for unfairness and greed.

[jtoler]

I'm an apologist for freedom and fairness. I don't know the deals of your anecdotes, but someone can earn 60 million one year but have losses over the previous years to offset the gains. If in 2017 someone loses 59 million but makes 59.1 million in 2018, should he be taxed 50 million despite only making 100k over a 2 year span?

Wouldnt that simply be categorized as misfortune. Thats different than being taxed from a set take home salary. Seems youre talking business losses which is essentially gambling no?

[khicks26]

No, I'm not going to work until I drop over because I save and invest now. There aren't a set # of jobs in this country, so if an older person still works they could very well create more jobs for younger people. You also have to factor in productivity, and older people are typically more productive than younger people, so society is better if more productive people are working than less productive people. My grandparents were a teacher and a miner, they lived well beneath their means, saved and invested and were able to retire comfortably. I'm not against people retiring, I'm against paying people that can contribute to society to not contribute.

Look at what HVACR techs, electricians, plumbers, coders, etc make at entry level positions. They get $15-$16 an hour to start, by the time they're in their mid 20s they will be making 45-50k a year.

Legally I would have to report my winnings. If they find out I don't they can throw me in jail. The IRS can audit you because they claim your income doesn't match your lifestyle.

Let's see your proof they're on the right. The real issue is that I'm saying regardless of their philosophy, they should be paying more. You're saying they shouldn't be, in fact they're not getting enough and the person who brought almost half of the food is doing too little.

I'm going to be an apologists for freedom and fairness, you're an apologist for unfairness and greed.

freedom and fairness. LOL Get back to work you old dog. Wall St & people that invest need something for nothing.

So you invest & take in more than you invest. Isn't that something for nothing. Its called free rent & its taxed less than any wage. Take the tax burden off the middle class & maybe people could retire at 60. Also SS is money that people pay in, its not a free ride.

You are an apologist for the rich, because you are one of them, or want to be just like them.

Its also society as a whole that has allowed some people to become rich. Take away society & their poor & living off the land. So YES they should pay more in tax's. They take a bigger chunk out of the society. If wealth is horded by a few families the rest of society is not given the same chance to live a decent life.

More money goes to the few who never work & live off Free Rents. Than to the masses that may get a hand out.

Your idiotology is the problem.

[maggiethebestdog]

I just read in my local news a woman had her 102nd birthday and she has been milking the system living the high life in a govt nursing home. She hasn't worked for years and is sucking money out of me. Tell that bitch to go out and keep working and stop leeching off me and the other taxpayers.

The top 10% earners in this country make 80% of the money. So they only pay around half the taxes???

[khicks26]

I just read in my local news a woman had her 102nd birthday and she has been milking the system living the high life in a govt nursing home. She hasn't worked for years and is sucking money out of me. Tell that bitch to go out and keep working and stop leeching off me and the other taxpayers.

The top 10% earners in this country make 80% of the money. So they only pay around half the taxes???

You are a dumb bitch Maggie. No point in trying to tell you anything.

Break out your King Dong & go fuk yourself.

[Snowball]

Most of you continue to argue over the inconsequential minutae within the prescribed parameters set by the International, non-national elite.

You talk of being a "taxpayer" as if this is somehow natural and good, when it is neither.

The Federal Reserve and income tax were forced upon Americans by blackmailing your politicians.

The governments do not even need your taxes, those monies you submit to them are forwarded to the international banks. when your federal, state, or municipal tax-charging regimes send usury payments to the banks, that is a remittance of slave to master.

The masters are sovereign entities and we are forced to use their money at interest compounded, and at inflation, this is why America is 20 trillion in debt just at the federal level, much more on the state and municipal.
Meanwhile, those who made all this happen keep their money in tax-free foundations, trusts and fake charities.

In an honest economy, value is created by work. In ours, it is created by the computers of ubermensch.

[brooks85]

freedom and fairness. LOL Get back to work you old dog. Wall St & people that invest need something for nothing.

So you invest & take in more than you invest. Isn't that something for nothing. Its called free rent & its taxed less than any wage. Take the tax burden off the middle class & maybe people could retire at 60. Also SS is money that people pay in, its not a free ride.

You are an apologist for the rich, because you are one of them, or want to be just like them.

Its also society as a whole that has allowed some people to become rich. Take away society & their poor & living off the land. So YES they should pay more in tax's. They take a bigger chunk out of the society. If wealth is horded by a few families the rest of society is not given the same chance to live a decent life.

More money goes to the few who never work & live off Free Rents. Than to the masses that may get a hand out.

Your idiotology is the problem.

another example of why my tv show is a great idea.

You are a dumb bitch Maggie. No point in trying to tell you anything.

Break out your King Dong & go fuk yourself.

typical reply of a 12 year old girl; your average liberal.

[khicks26]

another example of why my tv show is a great idea.




typical reply of a 12 year old girl; your average liberal.

Speaking of dumb bitch's. You can go get fuked to Chocolate Bacon.

[brooks85]

^case in point

another example of why my tv show is a great idea.




typical reply of a 12 year old girl; your average liberal.

[khicks26]

another example of why my tv show is a great idea.




typical reply of a 12 year old girl; your average liberal.

^case in point

No reply just BS

Mental Case in point.

To stupid & lazy to even type a post.