Democratic Convention Live Thread

[rkelly110]

Only a 3 point lead in the polls now.. Lead is shrinking week by week now whether you'd like to think so or not.. Denial is a bitch when all your hopes and dreams are finally realized as they are being flushed down the toilet... LOL...

When taking a dump, think Trump.

Don't be a twit, vote for the slit.

[JIBBBY]

[rkelly110]

Trump is your brain on drugs, say no to Trump!

[chico2663]

Would fate permit it, the election of Hillary Clinton will be the supreme and perhaps terminal act in an Anything-Goes-And-Nothing-Matters society. Yet, even with the fabulous luck of running against a consummate political oaf, she struggles to get the upper hand, and she may land in the White House with the lowest voter turnout in modern history. And then her reward in office may be to dodge indictment for four years while the nation crumbles around her. This is the way the world ends: not with a bang or a whimper but with a cackle.


Imagine the scene following Hillary’s election. In order to salvage the last shred of its credibility, the Federal Reserve raises its overnight funds rate another quarter percent and crashes the last Potemkin semblance of a “recovering” economy, that is, the levitated stock markets. Tens of millions of retired individuals previously driven into them by zero interest rate policy are wiped out. Even more gravely, pension funds and insurance companies are destroyed, but not before their troubles trigger derivative contracts with big banks which then explode and expose the inability of counterparties to make good on their ends of the bet.

In a blind panic, the Federal Reserve reverses its policy in December, drops the Fed Funds interest rate back to 25 basis points and announces the grandest new round of “quantitative easing” (money printing) ever, while congress is coerced into voting for the greatest bailout of institutions the world has ever seen, along with a “one time” helicopter drop of a cool trillion dollars in the form of combined tax cuts and “shovel-ready infrastructure projects.” The media rejoices. The US Dollar tanks. Absolutely nobody wants US treasury bonds, bills, and notes. The pathetic remnant of the American middle class stares into the abyss. (If it looks hard enough, it sees the US government down there.)

We’re now living in the setup for this, treating the election shenanigans so far as just another sordid television entertainment. It’s more than that. It’s an engraved invitation to the worst crisis since the Civil War. The crisis may even feature events like a civil war with identity groups skirmishing around our already-ruined “flyover” cities just like the factions in Aleppo and Fallujah. Thank the “Progressive” Left for that. Believe me, history will blame them for chucking the idea of a unifying common culture onto the garbage barge.

And yes, for all our tribulations here in America, the rest of the world will be struggling with its own epic disorders. It remains to be seen whether they will lead to war as, say, the Chinese ruling party attempts to evade the crash of its own rickety banking system, and the inflamed millions of ruined “investors,” by starting a brawl with Japan over a few meaningless islands in the Pacific. Could happen. And, oh, is North Korea for real with its right out front nuclear bomb-and-missile program? What does the rest of the world plan to do about that?

You don’t even want to look at the Middle East. The grisly conflicts there of recent decades are just a prelude to what happens when the House of Saud loses its grip on the government. That will happen, and then the big question is whether Aramco can continue to function, or whether the critical parts of it end up damaged beyond repair as competing tribes fight over it. In any case, the world will begin to notice the salient fact of life in that part of the world: namely, that the Arabian desert, and much of the great band of arid territory on either side of it, cannot support the populations that mushroomed in the nutrient bath of the 20th century oil economy. And they won’t all be able to self-export to Europe either.

Speaking of that interesting region, around the same time Hillary sets up for intensive care in the third floor of the White House, the old order will be swept away across Europe. Farewell Merkel and Monsieur Hollandaise. Farewell to the squishy Left all over the place. Enter the hard-asses. You’d think if anything might unite that continent it might be the wish to defend secular freedom under the rule of law, but even that remains to be seen.

Yes, the world following 3Q 2016 is looking like one hot mess. If you remember anything, let it be this: the primary mission of your cohort of the human race is managing contraction. The world is getting wider and poorer again and the outcome everywhere will be determined by the success of people to manage their lives locally. The big things of this world — governments, corporations, institutions — are losing their traction and whatever we manage to rebuild will get done locally. In victory, Hillary may utterly cease to matter.

http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/trending/

Hey dipstick. insurance funds can't go bankrupt. In the history of insurance there was one company that was going under and another bought them On insurance you have to have a certain amt. of capital to be in business and a certain amt of capital to cover your claims.

[Thor4140]

Thor stop hating and just keep tailing me in the MMA section like I know you do.. Should be on your knees licking my ball sack these days with all the money you made off me in the MMA section over the years..

I just hit about every bet in every fight on the UFC card Saturday night.. Business as usually for me and just check the event thread if you think I'm full of shit, check the event thread before that and the one before that as well....

I post every bet pending and you can't bullshit or make that shit up pal..
Jealousy is a bitch isn't it Thor?..



PS...Here is your remaining 500 bet points back and this is your final payment with an additional 100 bet points of interest.. Use them well.. That's 1100 payback bet points for the original 1000 loan you gave me.. Thanks for the loan at the time even though I didn't ask for it...

Good job winning them back Jibby and good job throwing out all that other bullshit lol. U can't get thru one post without bullshitting. I didn't read one of your post in that section as well as the others because i didn't get a chance to see the fights till late last night. (recorded) I had to dodge that thread because i didn't want to see any results. U keep thinking i am tailing u. Lets be honest Jibby a guy that bets like u wins every bet. The sad part is that u lose most of them too because u are on both sides of the pick with all the hedging u do. Always remember Jibby u couldn't of paid me back anything unless i brought u back from the dead.

[JIBBBY]

Good job winning them back Jibby and good job throwing out all that other bullshit lol. U can't get thru one post without bullshitting. I didn't read one of your post in that section as well as the others because i didn't get a chance to see the fights till late last night. (recorded) I had to dodge that thread because i didn't want to see any results. U keep thinking i am tailing u. Lets be honest Jibby a guy that bets like u wins every bet. The sad part is that u lose most of them too because u are on both sides of the pick with all the hedging u do. Always remember Jibby u couldn't of paid me back anything unless i brought u back from the dead.

I see you posting in the MMA section all the time but you don't read the threads.. Ok pal what ever you say, who's the one full of shiit now? Shall I bump your recent post from you in the tiny MMA section?

Thor I'm done wasting my time with you and I told you that before. You can't piss in the same gambling bucket as me and you certainly can't challenge me in the integrity department either. You know this so stop all this non sense of yours already..

You got your bet points after bringing it up in every post of yours so piss off now son. I owe you nothing and we are even Steven....

[DwightShrute]

[Thor4140]

I see you posting in the MMA section all the time but you don't read the threads.. Ok pal what every you say, who's the one of full shiit now? Shall I bump your recent post from you in the tiny MMA section?

Thor I'm done wasting my time with you and I told you that before. You can't piss in the same gambling bucket as me and you certainly can't challenge me in the integrity department either. You know this so stop all this non sense of yours already..

You got your bet points after bringing it up in every post of yours so piss off now son. I owe you nothing and we are even Steven....

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Sure bump it up Jibby. Bump one up where it proves i read the thread from the time the fights started till i watched them about eight last night. Jibby try to do me a favor okay. Give us one thread where u keep out the bullshit. Just one

[JIBBBY]

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Sure bump it up Jibby. Bump one up where it proves i read the thread from the time the fights started till i watched them about eight last night. Jibby try to do me a favor okay. Give us one thread where u keep out the bullshit. Just one

Thor I don't have the time for your crap but I'll make it for you one last time.. I'm generous like that..

Does this thread ring a bell in the MMA section? You just posted in it today, right next to the event thread.. Lol... You're a funny little man Thor.. You actually make me laugh now... http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/boxing-mma-ufc-betting/3290748-future-fights-thread-p7.html

[JIBBBY]

Pay per play with the Clinton foundation coming around full circle.. Very corrupt even though many funds went out to Charitable causes.. It was clearly an effort to pad the Clinton pockets and that goes against our laws in place.. Another Clinton breech of law what else is new??

Check the link and watch the vid.. Ben Carson is on it - http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/2...ay-accusations

More Clinton stink coming out to a theater near you!!!

[brainfreeze]

.. So true, hurts so bad...so unexpected ...

[JIBBBY]

.. So true, hurts so bad...so unexpected ...

Yeeeees you understand... Someone on this forum stepped on a lego before I see, just like I have..

[Jayvegas420]

Only a 3 point lead in the polls now.. Lead is shrinking week by week now whether you'd like to think so or not.. Denial is a bitch when all your hopes and dreams are finally realized as they are being flushed down the toilet... LOL...

Whatever....
I just want some of those points & a bet against Trump is money in the bank.
was just trying to get you riled up so you'd bet!

lemme know if you change your mind.

[Jayvegas420]

Would fate permit it, the election of Hillary Clinton will be the supreme and perhaps terminal act in an Anything-Goes-And-Nothing-Matters society. Yet, even with the fabulous luck of running against a consummate political oaf, she struggles to get the upper hand, and she may land in the White House with the lowest voter turnout in modern history. And then her reward in office may be to dodge indictment for four years while the nation crumbles around her. This is the way the world ends: not with a bang or a whimper but with a cackle.


Imagine the scene following Hillary’s election. In order to salvage the last shred of its credibility, the Federal Reserve raises its overnight funds rate another quarter percent and crashes the last Potemkin semblance of a “recovering” economy, that is, the levitated stock markets. Tens of millions of retired individuals previously driven into them by zero interest rate policy are wiped out. Even more gravely, pension funds and insurance companies are destroyed, but not before their troubles trigger derivative contracts with big banks which then explode and expose the inability of counterparties to make good on their ends of the bet.

In a blind panic, the Federal Reserve reverses its policy in December, drops the Fed Funds interest rate back to 25 basis points and announces the grandest new round of “quantitative easing” (money printing) ever, while congress is coerced into voting for the greatest bailout of institutions the world has ever seen, along with a “one time” helicopter drop of a cool trillion dollars in the form of combined tax cuts and “shovel-ready infrastructure projects.” The media rejoices. The US Dollar tanks. Absolutely nobody wants US treasury bonds, bills, and notes. The pathetic remnant of the American middle class stares into the abyss. (If it looks hard enough, it sees the US government down there.)

We’re now living in the setup for this, treating the election shenanigans so far as just another sordid television entertainment. It’s more than that. It’s an engraved invitation to the worst crisis since the Civil War. The crisis may even feature events like a civil war with identity groups skirmishing around our already-ruined “flyover” cities just like the factions in Aleppo and Fallujah. Thank the “Progressive” Left for that. Believe me, history will blame them for chucking the idea of a unifying common culture onto the garbage barge.

And yes, for all our tribulations here in America, the rest of the world will be struggling with its own epic disorders. It remains to be seen whether they will lead to war as, say, the Chinese ruling party attempts to evade the crash of its own rickety banking system, and the inflamed millions of ruined “investors,” by starting a brawl with Japan over a few meaningless islands in the Pacific. Could happen. And, oh, is North Korea for real with its right out front nuclear bomb-and-missile program? What does the rest of the world plan to do about that?

You don’t even want to look at the Middle East. The grisly conflicts there of recent decades are just a prelude to what happens when the House of Saud loses its grip on the government. That will happen, and then the big question is whether Aramco can continue to function, or whether the critical parts of it end up damaged beyond repair as competing tribes fight over it. In any case, the world will begin to notice the salient fact of life in that part of the world: namely, that the Arabian desert, and much of the great band of arid territory on either side of it, cannot support the populations that mushroomed in the nutrient bath of the 20th century oil economy. And they won’t all be able to self-export to Europe either.

Speaking of that interesting region, around the same time Hillary sets up for intensive care in the third floor of the White House, the old order will be swept away across Europe. Farewell Merkel and Monsieur Hollandaise. Farewell to the squishy Left all over the place. Enter the hard-asses. You’d think if anything might unite that continent it might be the wish to defend secular freedom under the rule of law, but even that remains to be seen.

Yes, the world following 3Q 2016 is looking like one hot mess. If you remember anything, let it be this: the primary mission of your cohort of the human race is managing contraction. The world is getting wider and poorer again and the outcome everywhere will be determined by the success of people to manage their lives locally. The big things of this world — governments, corporations, institutions — are losing their traction and whatever we manage to rebuild will get done locally. In victory, Hillary may utterly cease to matter.

http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/trending/

yeah....thats probably how Jesus would have put it too

[ByeShea]

Pay per play with the Clinton foundation coming around full circle.. Very corrupt even though many funds went out to Charitable causes.. It was clearly an effort to pad the Clinton pockets and that goes against our laws in place.. Another Clinton breech of law what else is new??

Check the link and watch the vid.. Ben Carson is on it - http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/2...ay-accusations

More Clinton stink coming out to a theater near you!!!

I have a feeling Hillary knows she is going to lose. She is cratering and the media is in overdrive to spin a message that says otherwise.

Obama's rock solid coalition:

Youth vote split. DJT will get 1/3 of Hispanic vote (and growing) and who knows how much of the black vote Trump gets, but it's going to be far more than Romney's 3-4% ... I'd say more like 30-40%, the country will be watching Trump's next big speech - he will knock it out of the park and no spin from Morning Joe, et al. can alter Trump's direct messaging.

She has no momentum - never did and never will. I don't know of the last President who got elected without it.

Meanwhile Hillary only leaves her compound once or twice a month to scoop up money in the Hamptons or LA. Lock her up.

[Jayvegas420]

Do you personally know any mexicans or blacks that intend to vote for trump?





Do you know any mexicans or blacks.......

[Triple_D_Bet]

I have a feeling Hillary knows she is going to lose. She is cratering and the media is in overdrive to spin a message that says otherwise.

Obama's rock solid coalition:

Youth vote split. DJT will get 1/3 of Hispanic vote (and growing) and who knows how much of the black vote Trump gets, but it's going to be far more than Romney's 3-4% ... I'd say more like 30-40%, the country will be watching Trump's next big speech - he will knock it out of the park and no spin from Morning Joe, et al. can alter Trump's direct messaging.

She has no momentum - never did and never will. I don't know of the last President who got elected without it.

Meanwhile Hillary only leaves her compound once or twice a month to scoop up money in the Hamptons or LA. Lock her up.

Youth vote will be 'split', despite the polls showing Hillary with a massive lead among youth. Trump to get 30-40% of black vote, despite currently grabbing about 5%, just cause. Trump to get 1/3 of hispanic vote, about the same as McCain and Romney, seems to actually be accurate....but doesn't seem like it will help. Clinton has no momentum, and all Presidents elected had it...except momentum doesn't seem to exist as a measurable quantity.

And somehow, all of the above exceptions to reality will magically change the electoral college map where Trump is highly likely to lose in a landslide

[JIBBBY]

I have a feeling Hillary knows she is going to lose. She is cratering and the media is in overdrive to spin a message that says otherwise.

Obama's rock solid coalition:

Youth vote split. DJT will get 1/3 of Hispanic vote (and growing) and who knows how much of the black vote Trump gets, but it's going to be far more than Romney's 3-4% ... I'd say more like 30-40%, the country will be watching Trump's next big speech - he will knock it out of the park and no spin from Morning Joe, et al. can alter Trump's direct messaging.

She has no momentum - never did and never will. I don't know of the last President who got elected without it.

Meanwhile Hillary only leaves her compound once or twice a month to scoop up money in the Hamptons or LA. Lock her up.

Yep I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head...

I remember when Bill Clinton was running for President and everyone pretty much gave him no chance at the start.. Much like Trump is doing now he really went after the black and minority votes, traveling and speaking from town to town, he had charisma and needless to say he slam dunked the live debates also..

He was clearly working harder then his opponent Dole at the time as he was pounding the streets.. He got most of the media coverage as well...So Bill Clinton barely squeaked out the win for Presidency in the end..

I see alot of the same parallels happening with Donald Trump now.. So yes he could squeak out the win just like Bill did back in the day..

Hillary is being lazy and really isn't going after it, she still doesn't get nearly the media coverage that Trump gets either.. So all this could very well cost her the election..

[ByeShea]

Youth vote will be 'split', despite the polls showing Hillary with a massive lead among youth. Trump to get 30-40% of black vote, despite currently grabbing about 5%, just cause. Trump to get 1/3 of hispanic vote, about the same as McCain and Romney, seems to actually be accurate....but doesn't seem like it will help. Clinton has no momentum, and all Presidents elected had it...except momentum doesn't seem to exist as a measurable quantity.

And somehow, all of the above exceptions to reality will magically change the electoral college map where Trump is highly likely to lose in a landslide

CNN exit polls indicated that Obama won 93% of the black vote in 2012 over Romney.

So now you're suggesting that Hillary will be outperforming Obama with the black vote, to net herself something like 95% of the black vote?

Just a helpful suggestion, but if you don't stop drinking the media's Kool-Aid you're gonna split your pantsuit.

[d2bets]

CNN exit polls indicated that Obama won 93% of the black vote in 2012 over Romney.

So now you're suggesting that Hillary will be outperforming Obama with the black vote, to net herself something like 95% of the black vote?

Just a helpful suggestion, but if you don't stop drinking the media's Kool-Aid you're gonna split your pantsuit.

Hillary won't get over 93%, but Trump won't get 7%. Maybe 2%. Of course there's no actual data, it's just exit polls, but I bet Trump finishes 3rd or 4th among blacks in exit polls. And probably 3rd among hispanics in many states.

[ByeShea]

Hillary won't get over 93%, but Trump won't get 7%. Maybe 2%. Of course there's no actual data, it's just exit polls, but I bet Trump finishes 3rd or 4th among blacks in exit polls. And probably 3rd among hispanics in many states.

Trump will easily get 20%, probably 30-40%.

Black America knows who Trump is, they watched him as an established brand on the Apprentice for 10 years. Like everyone else, he's viewed as a businessman before anything else.

Now, in 2016, Hillary says he's a racist - that he's something of a white supremacist. How stupid do you think black America is, anyway? You think blacks love Hillary?

[brainfreeze]

Trump will easily get 20%, probably 30-40%.

Black America knows who Trump is, they watched him as an established brand on the Apprentice for 10 years. Like everyone else, he's viewed as a businessman before anything else.

Now, in 2016, Hillary says he's a racist - that he's something of a white supremacist. How stupid do you think black America is, anyway? You think blacks love Hillary?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-11-30/donald-trump-sets-his-sights-on-black-evangelicals

you add black evangelicals, cops, and anti-esablishment folks (people are more awake) and trump has been sitting and meeting with black leaders all year... He will get more than 30% for sure...

[rkelly110]

That's nice you Trumpsters are all jacked up for a win. I only hope you come down easy after the shellacking.

[JIBBBY]

That's nice you Trumpsters are all jacked up for a win. I only hope you come down easy after the shellacking.

I didn't say Trump will win for sure, I just said his poll numbers are increasing which is FACT and he has a legit chance if he can keep up what he is doing and slam dunk the debates.. He's in this thing and Dems should not write him off just yet...

If Hillary wins I won't like it but I'll have to live with it.. My life won't change over night either way so what ever.. The Country will just continue to go down the shitter for another 4 years is what Americans will have to look forward too.. More National Debt, more racial divide and crime, poor schooling, weak borders, more terrorist attacks, more illegal immigration, tax increases, etc.. Same crap that is going on now basically but amp'd up a bit..

Clintons will walk out of office as billionaires in the end laughing all the way to the bank.. Country left in ruins...

[brooks85]

^lol good ol Pocahontas

where is jtoler?

he knows she endorsed Trump but he keeps running from admitting it

I'm not a Hillary supporter, get that through your thick skull.

So for you, free market=bad?

learn to read then since I never said you were. The fact that you're ignorant to her platform is the important part which is why you made yourself looking foolish with your post.

Again, who said they were going after predatory pricing? You're not fooling anyone by not answering you sheep. Go make up some more lies.

[brainfreeze]

<dl style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><dt style="font-size: 18px;">I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.</dt></dl>

- Thomas Jefferson

[brainfreeze]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]91416[/ATTACH]

<dl style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><dt style="font-size: 18px;">I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.</dt></dl>

- Thomas Jefferson

http://www.onenewspage.com/n/Markets/759s62wij/Deutsche-Bank-Calculates-How-Much-Of-The.htm

" Deutsche bank calculates how much value in s&p is due to central banks "

[brainfreeze]

Fbi has 30 more Benghazi emails ...

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e9d432f94d6c4dd8811ccda30ef6f24d/fbi-soon-release-documents-related-clinton-email-probe

[brooks85]

Hillary won't get over 93%, but Trump won't get 7%. Maybe 2%. Of course there's no actual data, it's just exit polls, but I bet Trump finishes 3rd or 4th among blacks in exit polls. And probably 3rd among hispanics in many states.

you know the deal everyone, place your bets accordingly

[DwightShrute]

[brooks85]

http://www.onenewspage.com/n/Markets...uch-Of-The.htm

" Deutsche bank calculates how much value in s&p is due to central banks "

The real travesty is when unfunded liabilities come due around the globe. In just three short decades the average country in Europe will need 60% of their GDP just to cover what they promised to their citizens. Hello more taxes. And, it is great news for USA;




The United States would need to save and invest an
amount equal to 8.2 percent of its GDP beginning
now and continuing every year forever to pay expect
-ed future benefits without future tax increases.



This could be accomplished by more than doubling
the current 15.3 percent payroll tax on employers and
employees, immediately and forever.




Alternatively, the federal government could
immediately stop spending nearly four out of every five
dollars on programs other than Social Security and
Medicare — eliminating most discretionary spend-
ing on such programs as education, national defense,
environmental protection and welfare — forever.

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/st319.pdf

And this doesn't factor in the EU falling apart or Obama's series damage. And yet you still have the sheep out there like kraken and rkelly who want to elect hillary. ignorance is a powerful weapon for the political class.

[brainfreeze]

The real travesty is when unfunded liabilities come due around the globe. In just three short decades the average country in Europe will need 60% of their GDP just to cover what they promised to their citizens. Hello more taxes. And, it is great news for USA;




The United States would need to save and invest an
amount equal to 8.2 percent of its GDP beginning
now and continuing every year forever to pay expect
-ed future benefits without future tax increases.



This could be accomplished by more than doubling
the current 15.3 percent payroll tax on employers and
employees, immediately and forever.




Alternatively, the federal government could
immediately stop spending nearly four out of every five
dollars on programs other than Social Security and
Medicare — eliminating most discretionary spend-
ing on such programs as education, national defense,
environmental protection and welfare — forever.

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/st319.pdf

And this doesn't factor in the EU falling apart or Obama's series damage. And yet you still have the sheep out there like kraken and rkelly who want to elect hillary. ignorance is a powerful weapon for the political class.

My point is it's a fiat currency backed by absolutely nothing ...and they can print, print and print...and buy whatever they want, and as long as people around the globe buy and sell in dollars there will be no recourse...but yea 8.2% is practical, but all the programs and government spending is beyond ...people are taxed enough already and their pretty sick of it, the rich are offshore, the middle hold the burden here.. and if it pursues as is, it will be truly be the haves and have nots...

[JIBBBY]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]91416[/ATTACH]

<dl style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69); font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><dt style="font-size: 18px;">I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.</dt></dl>

- Thomas Jefferson

That's powerful stuff.. Thomas was a wise man even back in the day..

[brainfreeze]

That's powerful stuff.. Thomas was a wise man even back in the day..

A truly timeless individual ....

was a christian as well...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Thomas_Jefferson

[DwightShrute]