President Clinton it is........

[Russian Rocket]

They nailed Petraeus for less. He gave his paramour mistress/biographer (who had a TS clearance) his personal journals that contained classified data. They got him for mishandling classified and fined him 100k.

They prosecuted a sailor for taking a selfie on a sub with classified sonar equipment in the background. They prosecuted a USMC major for sending a warning (classified info transmitted) to his buddy in AFG over Gmail about a suspected Taliban sympathizer in the police force -- who later killed a bunch of Marines. Then there was John Deutch -- former CIA director who pleaded guilty to mishandling classified (on his home computer, that was on the Internet). He never served a day in jail or paid a fine because Bill Clinton gave him a full pardon on his last day in office.

At a minimum she should be fined.

[kidcudi92]

Is this a thinly veiled snuke in the snizz reference?

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/155547/inside-the-snizz

[chico2663]

[chico2663]

They nailed Petraeus for less. He gave his paramour mistress/biographer (who had a TS clearance) his personal journals that contained classified data. They got him for mishandling classified and fined him 100k.

They prosecuted a sailor for taking a selfie on a sub with classified sonar equipment in the background. They prosecuted a USMC major for sending a warning (classified info transmitted) to his buddy in AFG over Gmail about a suspected Taliban sympathizer in the police force -- who later killed a bunch of Marines. Then there was John Deutch -- former CIA director who pleaded guilty to mishandling classified (on his home computer, that was on the Internet). He never served a day in jail or paid a fine because Bill Clinton gave him a full pardon on his last day in office.

At a minimum she should be fined.

Patreas sp was so much worse. He took classified documents and put them on a drop box so that his mistress could write a book . The only reason he got busted was because his mistress thought he was messing with a lady and was threatening her.He admitted he knew they were classified. She had already written the book on him but was writing a book on the cia.Also in the military if you have an affair it is a court martialling sp affair.But he was already out but eric cantor caught general allen cheating on his wife. It lead to his resignation just as he was being named supreme commander of NATO. The sailor knew that it was classified. It is a matter of knowledge.

[chico2663]

Vice President Richard B. Cheney had several deferments, none for medical reasons such as his later poor health. He infamously said that he “had other priorities.”Former Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft did not serve–received 7 deferments to teach business ed. at Southwest Missouri State University.
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush did not serve, receiving a deferment during Vietnam.
“Bush’s Brain” Karl Rove, did not serve, receiving several deferments so that he could plan future wars and GOP “permanent majority.”
Former Sen. Phil Gramm, did not serve, received several deferments.
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich did not serve, avoided the draft with several deferments.
Former U.S. President Ronald Reagan, a major hawk, avoided combat during World War II by making training films for the army while remaining in California. Later, he seemed several times to have confused his movie role as a tailgunner with the real thing.
President George W. Bush used his father’s influence to get into the Air National Guard in order to avoid going to Vietnam, though he loudly proposed using nuclear weapons on the North Vietnamese. He was Absent Without Leave (AWOL) several times and eventually failed to finish his 6 year term in the Air National Guard, serving only 4 years. His father’s influence kept him from being prosecuted for this. For some reason, “W” still insists that he “has seen war.” Maybe on TV, but that’s all.

[chico2663]

ALTHOUGH i HAVE MASS RESPECT FOR MCCAIN but the bush family derided him when he ran against w. They kept telling voters that he had a black child.

[chico2663]

[Thor4140]

Of course. He's ensnared in her web of lies too. If they pressed charges he would have caught heat.

The only thing we learned is that she had more than email server and several admins and devices - ie, a shit ton more rope to hang the lying crook.

Will be interesting to see how hard Obama campaigns for her - I don't think she helps him or his legacy.

And btw, Obama did campaign to make loans more "accessible" to minority home owners. How many millions of his voters whose lives he helped ruin is anyone's guess.

Just wondering were u this upset when Cheney outed one of our very own CIA agents or even more worse when Bush and Cheney lied us into war killing thousands of our soldiers and maiming thousand more?

[rkelly110]

Funny how everything quieted down once facts started flying.

[ByeShea]

Just wondering were u this upset when Cheney outed one of our very own CIA agents or even more worse when Bush and Cheney lied us into war killing thousands of our soldiers and maiming thousand more?

Who, Valerie Plame? I'm still laughing at that stupid story.

Bush & Cheney lied about ... WMD?

The Democrats (including Hillary) were 100% on board the war and cited WMD as a reason to oust Saddam before GWB was even elected.

And yet a few years go by and the revisionists go to work and we're left with mumbling puppets like yourself getting the story wrong.

You gonna challenge me on this? I'll tell you what happens next, someone posts the actual quotes from Clinton & Co. pre-Iraq invasion and then this thread gets quieter than a mouse pissing on cotton - at least until the next opportunity arises to project the fantasy that Obama has been good for the economy or something like that.

[irish1]

Who, Valerie Plame? I'm still laughing at that stupid story.

Bush & Cheney lied about ... WMD?

The Democrats (including Hillary) were 100% on board the war and cited WMD as a reason to oust Saddam before GWB was even elected.

And yet a few years go by and the revisionists go to work and we're left with mumbling puppets like yourself getting the story wrong.

You gonna challenge me on this? I'll tell you what happens next, someone posts the actual quotes from Clinton & Co. pre-Iraq invasion and then this thread gets quieter than a mouse pissing on cotton - at least until the next opportunity arises to project the fantasy that Obama has been good for the economy or something like that.

[Thor4140]

Who, Valerie Plame? I'm still laughing at that stupid story.

Bush & Cheney lied about ... WMD?

The Democrats (including Hillary) were 100% on board the war and cited WMD as a reason to oust Saddam before GWB was even elected.

And yet a few years go by and the revisionists go to work and we're left with mumbling puppets like yourself getting the story wrong.

You gonna challenge me on this? I'll tell you what happens next, someone posts the actual quotes from Clinton & Co. pre-Iraq invasion and then this thread gets quieter than a mouse pissing on cotton - at least until the next opportunity arises to project the fantasy that Obama has been good for the economy or something like that.

Where exactly in my question did I ask u about what Hilary did? Laughing at outing one of our very own CIA agents shows just what a true scum bag u really are.

[ByeShea]

Where exactly in my question did I ask u about what Hilary did? Laughing at outing one of our very own CIA agents shows just what a true scum bag u really are.

What was it, 10 years ago - a desk agent in Langley, VA was outed by Dick Armitage - as payback for her and her fruitcake husband being complete scumbags and a big, boring media story about nothing ensued.

Now Hillary can tell her family and foreign contacts on September 12th that Benghazi was a coordinated terror attack - and then tell the American people and victims families that it was an impromptu violence over a YouTube video made in San Diego.

Apparently you'd rather talk about Valerie Plame's desk job from the 90s.

[Russian Rocket]

Patreas sp was so much worse. He took classified documents and put them on a drop box so that his mistress could write a book . The only reason he got busted was because his mistress thought he was messing with a lady and was threatening her.He admitted he knew they were classified. She had already written the book on him but was writing a book on the cia.Also in the military if you have an affair it is a court martialling sp affair.But he was already out but eric cantor caught general allen cheating on his wife. It lead to his resignation just as he was being named supreme commander of NATO. The sailor knew that it was classified. It is a matter of knowledge.

are you saying that Clinton didn't know that she was dealing with classified docs?

btw you don't know if Petraeus's leak was worst or not. Since Clinton's shit was traveling through her personal server, all that classified stuff could be already sitting on the desk of Putin as we speak.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Who the fukk is going to vote for this moron/crook?

Just so much bad news with her in almost every aspect....she is the extreme example of a puppet for corporations and doesn't even try to hide it...She IS the problem in Washington. I just don't get it man

What is she good at? Seriously it's sickening

[Russian Rocket]

US foreign policy has been an absolute disaster during the last decade (if not longer)...and Obama made things even more amateurish.

America's Misadventures started in the Middle East, from Persia,- removed the Shah a friend of the US.
In Afghanistan, armed and financed Osama Bin-Laden against the Soviets, who tried to stabilize that country, -thanks for 9/11!
Invaded Iraq, turned that country into hell on earth, millions killed!
Libya, removed Ghaddafi, -now anarchy-Islamic Terror Training Camp for the Continent of Africa.
Egypt, got rid of Hosni Mubarak, -Muslim Brotherhood and now a Military Dictatorship far worst than under Mubarak.
Now Syria, Assad is a moderate Arab Leader, protected the Christian Minorities. US on the instigations of your 'Friend' and it's Agents AIPAC, in the US, have dictated, to the US Government/Congress, that Assad must go. Why? Is there some benefit for the Zionist-Apartheid-Theocracy of the Terror State of Israel? You bet your ass that is! For that reason, tens of thousands have been killed, millions are on the move, uprooted, homeless flood of humanity, is engulfing the nations of Europe! Thank you for the US Foreign Policy decision making, that has destroyed the Middle East and N. Africa!!

Just a few short years ago Obama spent $500 million dollars on a program to train moderate Islamic terrorists. That program produced 5 trained warriors, now the Russians have recently killed 2 of them, that brings the grand total of 3 terrorists to overthrow Syria in the name of the holy pipeline.

I can guarantee you that when Clinton becomes the next president, she'll be looking to continue to do the exact same thing. I wouldn't be surprised, if that bitch already has plans to send ISIS camel jockeys to "liberate" the Eastern Ukraine...

[chico2663]

Who, Valerie Plame? I'm still laughing at that stupid story.

Bush & Cheney lied about ... WMD?

The Democrats (including Hillary) were 100% on board the war and cited WMD as a reason to oust Saddam before GWB was even elected.

And yet a few years go by and the revisionists go to work and we're left with mumbling puppets like yourself getting the story wrong.

You gonna challenge me on this? I'll tell you what happens next, someone posts the actual quotes from Clinton & Co. pre-Iraq invasion and then this thread gets quieter than a mouse pissing on cotton - at least until the next opportunity arises to project the fantasy that Obama has been good for the economy or something like that.

You didn't have a choice but to vote for it. You were deemed unpatriotic if you went against the president. Ask the dixie chicks about that. I find it ironic that tony blair has been charged by england but not with war crimes as he should be. They are impeaching him so that he can never serve again.

[chico2663]

US foreign policy has been an absolute disaster during the last decade (if not longer)...and Obama made things even more amateurish.

America's Misadventures started in the Middle East, from Persia,- removed the Shah a friend of the US.
In Afghanistan, armed and financed Osama Bin-Laden against the Soviets, who tried to stabilize that country, -thanks for 9/11!
Invaded Iraq, turned that country into hell on earth, millions killed!
Libya, removed Ghaddafi, -now anarchy-Islamic Terror Training Camp for the Continent of Africa.
Egypt, got rid of Hosni Mubarak, -Muslim Brotherhood and now a Military Dictatorship far worst than under Mubarak.
Now Syria, Assad is a moderate Arab Leader, protected the Christian Minorities. US on the instigations of your 'Friend' and it's Agents AIPAC, in the US, have dictated, to the US Government/Congress, that Assad must go. Why? Is there some benefit for the Zionist-Apartheid-Theocracy of the Terror State of Israel? You bet your ass that is! For that reason, tens of thousands have been killed, millions are on the move, uprooted, homeless flood of humanity, is engulfing the nations of Europe! Thank you for the US Foreign Policy decision making, that has destroyed the Middle East and N. Africa!!

Just a few short years ago Obama spent $500 million dollars on a program to train moderate Islamic terrorists. That program produced 5 trained warriors, now the Russians have recently killed 2 of them, that brings the grand total of 3 terrorists to overthrow Syria in the name of the holy pipeline.

I can guarantee you that when Clinton becomes the next president, she'll be looking to continue to do the exact same thing. I wouldn't be surprised, if that bitch already has plans to send ISIS camel jockeys to "liberate" the Eastern Ukraine...

This started with the removal of saddam. The reason they are trying to get rid of all these rulers is so the big banks can get the gold .Where is saddams gold? Not sure but I'm sure our ruling class got it.
Libyan War Planned Right After 9/11 … Or Before

Toppling Gaddafi was planned right after 9/11, or perhaps even before.
As American reporter Gareth Porter reported in 2008:

Three weeks after the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, former US defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld established an official military objective of not only removing the Saddam Hussein regime by force but overturning the regime in Iran, as well as in Syria and four other countries in the Middle East, according to a document quoted extensively in then-under secretary of defense for policy Douglas Feith’s recently published account of the Iraq war decisions. Feith’s account further indicates that this aggressive aim of remaking the map of the Middle East by military force and the threat of force was supported explicitly by the country’s top military leaders.

Feith’s book, War and Decision, released last month, provides excerpts of the paper Rumsfeld sent to President George W Bush on September 30, 2001, calling for the administration to focus not on taking down Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network but on the aim of establishing “new regimes” in a series of states…

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General Wesley Clark, who commanded the North Atlantic Treaty Organization bombing campaign in the Kosovo war, recalls in his 2003 book Winning Modern Wars being told by a friend in the Pentagon in November 2001 that the list of states that Rumsfeld and deputy secretary of defense Paul Wolfowitz wanted to take down included Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Sudan and Somalia [and Lebanon].

***

When this writer asked Feith . . . which of the six regimes on the Clark list were included in the Rumsfeld paper, he replied, “All of them.”

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The Defense Department guidance document made it clear that US military aims in regard to those states would go well beyond any ties to terrorism. The document said the Defense Department would also seek to isolate and weaken those states and to “disrupt, damage or destroy” their military capacities – not necessarily limited to weapons of mass destruction (WMD)…

Rumsfeld’s paper was given to the White House only two weeks after Bush had approved a US military operation in Afghanistan directed against bin Laden and the Taliban regime. Despite that decision, Rumsfeld’s proposal called explicitly for postponing indefinitely US airstrikes and the use of ground forces in support of the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance in order to try to catch bin Laden.

Instead, the Rumsfeld paper argued that the US should target states that had supported anti-Israel forces such as Hezbollah and Hamas.

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A senior officer on the Joint Staff told State Department counter-terrorism director Sheehan he had heard terrorist strikes characterized more than once by colleagues as a “small price to pay for being a superpower”.

General Clark added some details in 2007:

I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September.
***

So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”

Obama is simply carrying out the Neocons’ war plans created right after 9/11 … if not before.
Challenging The Supremacy of the Dollar and Western Banks

Ellen Brown argues in the Asia Times that there were even deeper reasons for the war than gold, oil or middle eastern regime change.
Brown argues that Libya – like Iraq under Hussein – challenged the supremacy of the dollar and the Western banks:

Later, the same general said they planned to take out seven countries in five years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.
What do these seven countries have in common? In the context of banking, one that sticks out is that none of them is listed among the 56 member banks of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). That evidently puts them outside the long regulatory arm of the central bankers’ central bank in Switzerland.
The most renegade of the lot could be Libya and Iraq, the two that have actually been attacked. Kenneth Schortgen Jr, writing on Examiner.com, noted that “[s]ix months before the US moved into Iraq to take down Saddam Hussein, the oil nation had made the move to accept euros instead of dollars for oil, and this became a threat to the global dominance of the dollar as the reserve currency, and its dominion as the petrodollar.”
According to a Russian article titled “Bombing of Libya – Punishment for Ghaddafi for His Attempt to Refuse US Dollar”, Gaddafi made a similarly bold move: he initiated a movement to refuse the dollar and the euro, and called on Arab and African nations to use a new currency instead, the gold dinar. Gaddafi suggested establishing a united African continent, with its 200 million people using this single currency.

[chico2663]

Sort of makes you want to vote for trump!

[Russian Rocket]

Sort of makes you want to vote for trump!

I hope you do

[chico2663]

HE is as bad as the rest. Uses his run at presidency to fatten his bank account. I would of voted for Kasich because he was my gov. and a great guy. He actually has a heart. The rest of these pendejos are just out for themselves.

[MoneyLineDawg]

HE is as bad as the rest. Uses his run at presidency to fatten his bank account. I would of voted for Kasich because he was my gov. and a great guy. He actually has a heart. The rest of these pendejos are just out for themselves.

What will you do if Kasich is named VP?

[MoneyLineDawg]

[Russian Rocket]

This is hilarious

[MoneyLineDawg]

This is hilarious

I know right....shameless liar

What does this quote mean to you guys...."To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."

[Russian Rocket]

I know right....shameless liar

What does this quote mean to you guys...."To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."

It means that she's basically untouchable, but the rest of the servants like you and I will be royally fukked in the similar circumstances.

[MoneyLineDawg]

It means that she's basically untouchable, but the rest of the servants like you and I will be royally fukked in the similar circumstances.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

What will you do if Kasich is named VP?

You or I have a better chance to be named VP... 0% chance of Kasich

[MoneyLineDawg]

You or I have a better chance to be named VP... 0% chance of Kasich

He's 5/1 on Betfair Exchange.....I would agree with you but people have been betting him for a while now, makes you wonder

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

He's 5/1 on Betfair Exchange.....I would agree with you but people have been betting him for a while now, makes you wonder

DEAD MONEY

[MoneyLineDawg]

Most likely

[irish1]

Chico, you conveniently left Bill Clinton out! Mr. Clinton got lots of help from his buddy and Klansman(KKK) William Fullbright to avoid the draft.

[Mr KLC]

[d2bets]

Who the fukk is going to vote for this moron/crook?

Just so much bad news with her in almost every aspect....she is the extreme example of a puppet for corporations and doesn't even try to hide it...She IS the problem in Washington. I just don't get it man

What is she good at? Seriously it's sickening

That's why Hillary can thank Trump when she becomes President. She literally probably could not beat anyone else. Republicans could have nominated anyone else and won, but they don't want to win.

[d2bets]

He's 5/1 on Betfair Exchange.....I would agree with you but people have been betting him for a while now, makes you wonder

Newt is free money. He's campaigning with Trump today in Kasich's backyard.

Here's the latest on Kasich. Hint: he still wants to be nominee.

Kasich urges RNC delegates to search their consciences on Trump: Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who has conspicuously declined to endorse Trump for president, told the Washington Post's Dan Balz on Tuesday that Republican National Convention delegates should "weigh their responsibilities against their consciences" before deciding whether to support the GOP presumptive nominee.
Kasich said he wasn't intending "to create any sort of disruption" with his comments, but when asked if he would endorse Trump before the convention, the governor said, "Unless I see a Saul-to-Paul transformation on the road to Damascus, I don't see it happening. . . . I may still support him, but I'm going to have to see changes."