We are just gonna have to agree to disagree. You can absolutely be cut and have mass naturally. Like I've said it takes some genetics, training and proper diet. Doesn't mean everybody can look like this and doesn't mean to look like this you have to be on the "Juice".
The guys who always make the comment 'that guy is on juice' are usually coming from a jealous standpoint sad, but you know it's true. Are the guys competing in Mr. Olympia on or taken juice? yes, absolutely, but the Tebow types? Absolutely not true for most of those body types.
If your going to an L.A. Fitness and pumping some iron and then going out on dates or running errands like no big deal after your workout, you have not dug deep enough into your inner core to release the animal inside. Sorry dude ain't happening at an L.A. fitness. Bottom-line, you are not training at an ELITE LEVEL like the Tebow's of the world have. His warmup would probably be your workout. Not putting you down because i think it's great people take care of themselves and i'm sorry you had to turn to the juice in-order to feel gains in your workouts if that's how i read your response to me.
TMS, why do you see for example College and Pro football players after weight training bury themselves in a tub of ice? it's because the muscles are on FIRE and this fire last for hours after a workout not for just a few seconds after you finish your set...LOL, you train at an elite level and you'll know it and be begging for an ice bath. Do that type workout for a few years and you'll have a base core body that will always be with you.
Good luck with the workouts.
The guys who always make the comment 'that guy is on juice' are usually coming from a jealous standpoint sad, but you know it's true. Are the guys competing in Mr. Olympia on or taken juice? yes, absolutely, but the Tebow types? Absolutely not true for most of those body types.
If your going to an L.A. Fitness and pumping some iron and then going out on dates or running errands like no big deal after your workout, you have not dug deep enough into your inner core to release the animal inside. Sorry dude ain't happening at an L.A. fitness. Bottom-line, you are not training at an ELITE LEVEL like the Tebow's of the world have. His warmup would probably be your workout. Not putting you down because i think it's great people take care of themselves and i'm sorry you had to turn to the juice in-order to feel gains in your workouts if that's how i read your response to me.
TMS, why do you see for example College and Pro football players after weight training bury themselves in a tub of ice? it's because the muscles are on FIRE and this fire last for hours after a workout not for just a few seconds after you finish your set...LOL, you train at an elite level and you'll know it and be begging for an ice bath. Do that type workout for a few years and you'll have a base core body that will always be with you.
Good luck with the workouts.
We will agree to disagree... and disagree... and disagree some more. 
It's all good pal. No hard feelings.
