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**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-11-16, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by khicks26

Do individuals have the right to control the masses with economic force?

Define "right", define "control", define "masses", define "economic", define "force", define "economic force".

The answer to you question is probably yes once you define these terms because I will dispute your definitions.

However, in the state of nature an individual does not have the right to restrict others from combining their labor with nature. So one individual does not have the right to hoard the world's resources and not put them into production.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-11-16, 11:36 PM

You haven't dealt with the inherent authoritarianism within collectivism very well khicks, other than to assert that individuals can be problematic too.

However, the individual is not inherently immoral but collectivism is, which is why you refused to answer both the questioned I posed.

**khicks26** · 02-11-16, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

Define "right", define "control", define "masses", define "economic", define "force", define "economic force".

The answer to you question is probably yes once you define these terms because I will dispute your definitions.

However, in the state of nature an individual does not have the right to restrict others from combining their labor with nature. So one individual does not have the right to hoard the world's resources and not put them into production.

So why do individuals have the right to control the means of production. Thus individuals control economic freedom of the masses.

**khicks26** · 02-11-16, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

You haven't dealt with the inherent authoritarianism within collectivism very well khicks, other than to assert that individuals can be problematic too.

However, the individual is not inherently immoral but collectivism is, which is why you refused to answer both the questioned I posed.

What questions have you answered well?

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-11-16, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by khicks26

What questions have you answered well?

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**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-11-16, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by khicks26

So why do individuals have the right to control the means of production. Thus individuals control economic freedom of the masses.

I repeat, an individual does not have the right to restrict others from combining their labor with nature.

So no, individuals can not control the economic freedom of the masses.

**khicks26** · 02-11-16, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

I repeat, an individual does not have the right to restrict others from combining their labor with nature.

So no, individuals not not control the economic freedom of the masses.

But they do.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-11-16, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by khicks26

But they do.

No, they don't, and if they did it would be immoral.

**khicks26** · 02-11-16, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

No, they don't, and if they did it would be immoral.

So are you saying that workers control the means of production.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

So are you saying that workers control the means of production.

For the third time, an individual does not have the right to restrict others from combining their labor with nature.

Therefore, the individual has the right to combine their labor with nature.

How is private property created in the state of nature? By combining your labor with nature.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 12:08 AM

I would make the case that in today's environment the restriction on the means of production is on behalf of the government.

If I wanted to open a health center for example, the government is going to stop me unless I conform to their regulations.

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

For the third time, an individual does not have the right to restrict others from combining their labor with nature.

Therefore, the individual has the right to combine their labor with nature.

How is private property created in the state of nature? By combining your labor with nature.

To few own to much for this to be the case.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

To few own to much for this to be the case.

Not true.

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

Not true.

OK then everything is fine. Were all rich & can do what ever we want. We don't need a government. No one will take advantage of anyone. Isn't utopia grand. LOL

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

OK then everything is fine. Were all rich & can do what ever we want. We don't need a government. No one will take advantage of anyone. Isn't utopia grand. LOL

Government restricts the means of production, you don't even deny this.

How does McDonald's prevent me from combining my labor with nature, or selling my labor?

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

Government restricts the means of production, you don't even deny this.

How does McDonald's prevent me from combining my labor with nature, or selling my labor?

That's the problem with libertarians, they blame the government for everything. All while looking past the the special interest groups & corporations that control the government. They like to defend large corporations that lobby & write our laws.

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg

khicks and d2bets who are you supporting and why?

People don't have to support Trump but every other realistic candidate besides Bernie and Cruz is more of the same

I support Sanders because he's not bought & paid for. I think the guy really wants to do some good. Not a fake liberal like the Clintons & Obama.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

That's the problem with libertarians, they blame the government for everything. All while looking past the the special interest groups & corporations that control the government. They like to defend large corporations that lobby & write our laws.

Are you denying the fact that corporations influence the laws now?

Large corporations exist in many instances because they are protectorates of the government.

Government wants to stifle the individuals, small business man, from competing and providing an alternative.

Show me a politician that can't be bought and I'll show you a unicorn, government is inherently immoral and you know it.

I've answered your questions, now go back and answer both of mine.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

I support Sanders because he's not bought & paid for. I think the guy really wants to do some good. Not a fake liberal like the Clintons & Obama.

He's a democrat stooge, maybe you could make the case that Ralph Nader wasn't bought and paid for, but this kibbutz socialist most definitely is.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 01:20 AM

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

Are you denying the fact that corporations influence the laws now?

Large corporations exist in many instances because they are protectorates of the government.

Government wants to stifle the individuals, small business man, from competing and providing an alternative.

Show me a politician that can't be bought and I'll show you a unicorn, government is inherently immoral and you know it.

I've answered your questions, now go back and answer both of mine.

All for small business, & no I am not in favor of large corporations. They are the ones making the decisions. Nobody can take a shit in this country without their say so. That's the problem, not the government. They are the government. If the TPP passes they will have all the power. So their you go a libertarian dream. The country will be run by business, & have no government. Isn't that what you guys want.

Once this happens your questions don't mean all that much.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

All for small business, & no I am not in favor of large corporations. They are the ones making the decisions. Nobody can take a shit in this country without their say so. That's the problem, not the government. They are the government. If the TPP passes they will have all the power. So their you go a libertarian dream. The country will be run by business, & have no government. Isn't that what you guys want.

Once this happens your questions don't mean all that much.

You don't understand the difference between capitalism and corporatism despite it being explained to you time and time again.

My questions are very relevant, and your refusal to answer them shows your lack of a coherent philosophical basis for your beliefs.

You're just a selfish piece of shit looking for a hand out.

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

I'm all for capitalism. But it will not work if its not regulated by a government that works for the people. That's what Sanders is about.

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

You don't understand the difference between capitalism and corporatism despite it being explained to you time and time again.

My questions are very relevant, and your refusal to answer them shows your lack of a coherent philosophical basis for your beliefs.

You're just a selfish piece of shit looking for a hand out.

No reason to get dickey about it. I'm not looking for a hand out. Here one of your own debating one of your own. But I doubt you will get it. Just like the guy in the video. Because you fukers are block heads.

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**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 01:36 AM

What did the Bolsheviks do to the Kulak during the revolution?

I stand with the Kulak.

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

What did the Bolsheviks do to the Kulak during the revolution?

I stand with the Kulak.

Good for you. Like I said Russia was not true communism. It was state run capitalism.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 01:44 AM

Leftism is just a ruse, cultural marxism, to ensure that non aristocracy, former peasant class, is never allowed to acquire any wealth.

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

Leftism is just a ruse, cultural marxism, to ensure that non aristocracy, former peasant class, is never allowed to acquire any wealth.

Left & right has nothing to do with it. Its Greed.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

Good for you. Like I said Russia was not true communism. It was state run capitalism.

No true Scotsman, logical fallacy.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

Left & right has nothing to do with it. Its Greed.

Which is why I called you a selfish piece of shit looking for a hand out.

Deep down you resent the success of the Kulak, where you have failed, and you want to see them destroyed, that's your true motivation.

You don't care about the elites, and are a useful idiot who enables them.

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

No true Scotsman, logical fallacy.

Just watch the vid Block Head. But like I said you won't get it. Then you will have no justification for the hate you have for people that don't look like you. Individual rights LOL Yeah for rich white guys only. ain't that right Dr Bozo.

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

Which is why I called you a selfish piece of shit looking for a hand out.

Deep down you resent the success of the Kulak, where you have failed, and you want to see them destroyed, that's your true motivation.

You don't care about the elites, and are a useful idiot who enables them.

Yeah you got me. LOL I work for the elites, just came in here to brainwash you. Oh never mind you already are.

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 01:59 AM

Orwell would be proud.

**Dr.Gonzo** · 02-12-16, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

Yeah you got me. LOL I work for the elites, just came in here to brainwash you. Oh never mind you already are.

If you get your revolution and have your foot in the boot on someones throat, who do you think that person will be? It will be a member of the Kulak class.

Do you honest think a movement is capable of targeting the elites? There's a reason you have to say every communist movement wasn't true communism.

At best you're a fool, at worst your guilty as charged.

**khicks26** · 02-12-16, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo

If you get your revolution and have your foot in the boot on someones throat, who do you think that person will be? It will be a member of the Kulak class.

Do you honest think a movement is capable of targeting the elites? There's a reason you have to say every communist movement wasn't true communism.

At best you're a fool, at worst your guilty as charged.

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