Dis-respecting the Big Ten

**blackbart** · 03-16-09, 05:09 PM

even worse

Line History:
Pinnacle

Game:
Siena
vs
Ohio State

POINTSPREADS
03/15 11:17PM: +3 +101 / -3 -111
03/16 07:17AM: +3½ -108 / -3½ -102
03/16 04:53PM: +3½ -111 / -3½ +101

**blackbart** · 03-16-09, 05:13 PM

does everyone think the b10 sucks, the ohio st favored over siena by 3.5 in dayton no less. Illinois favored by 4 over w. kentucky. I know siena is good but i was hoping for at least 7.

**The General** · 03-16-09, 05:16 PM

I thought the conf was weak, but Vitale said the 3rd best conf. I dunno. Prob good wagers on the dogs. No intimidation factor here.

**MartinBlank** · 03-16-09, 05:24 PM

Didn't Vitale pick Siena to beat Ohio State?

Siena is a good basketball team, and I wouldn't touch that Siena/OSU game.

Funny story, someone asked Self who he would rather play in a November tourney---Siena or Michigan State--and he said Michigan State----thought the risk of playing Siena wasn't worth possibly losing.

And don't forget Illinois. They played Penn State to that 38-33 game just a few weeks back. I think Illinois is a year away.

**blackbart** · 03-16-09, 05:33 PM

i know the b10 is supposed to be the 3rd best conf. , i just dont see that in the lines.

**2daBank** · 03-16-09, 05:55 PM

only big 10 team i got makin it to sweet 16 is purdue every1 else out in 1st 2nd mabey for mich st

**LT Profits** · 03-16-09, 06:11 PM

I like both Siena and Western Ky outright, as well as Northern Iowa outright over Purdue.

I have Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota winning one game each.

I have Michigan State going to Sweet 16 (two wins), then losing to Kansas.

**2daBank** · 03-16-09, 06:19 PM

i was lookin forward to takin n. iowa in 1st round then brackets came out and they get purdue i just dont see them beatin purdue

**LT Profits** · 03-16-09, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by 2daBank

i was lookin forward to takin n. iowa in 1st round then brackets came out and they get purdue i just dont see them beatin purdue

Definitely worth a shot in SBR Contest with the upset rules.

**frostno98** · 03-16-09, 06:25 PM

Michigan State and Purdue is the only team that will make it to the Sweet Sixteen, everybody else sucks. Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohiostate, Minnesota, all dead after the 2nd round.

**blackbart** · 03-16-09, 06:27 PM

i guess we all agree

**pavyracer** · 03-16-09, 06:32 PM

I have Purdue, Michigan State, Ohio State, Minnesota winning first round and Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan losing in the first round.

**2daBank** · 03-16-09, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Definitely worth a shot in SBR Contest with the upset rules.

tru i just got upsets comin out my @$$ though. gotta take chalk somewhere figured this was as good a game as any for that. gl

**unde0087** · 03-16-09, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by blackbart

does everyone think the b10 sucks, the ohio st favored over siena by 3.5 in dayton no less. Illinois favored by 4 over w. kentucky. I know siena is good but i was hoping for at least 7.

they got in right, Big 10 only looks good when they are playing each other. How can any of these teams lay more than that? If you only score 55 points a game it is tough to win by 10. The league is way down, when they play teams that have 3 or 4 athletic players that can score off the dribble these teams will have problems.

I know it was at the beginning of the season but a great example.....look what UNC did to Mich St. Mich St is known for playing stiff defense in the Big 10, holding teams to low scores and they got torched because top teams like UNC make their defense look bad. It is because these teams have multiple threats so teams like this can't key on one or two players. When Big 10 plays teams like this no matter what defense they bring they will still have to put up 75+ and they just can't do it.

**Vonnegut** · 03-16-09, 07:09 PM

Watch out for Wisconsin. Canny coach.

**unde0087** · 03-16-09, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Vonnegut

Watch out for Wisconsin. Canny coach.

Once again, if they can make baskets they have a shot. The last game I watched them play I had an over bet on the game. The two just needed 11 points in the final 5 minutes, I think both got 7 points total. Wisconsin 0-7 from the field and only 3 points scored on free throws. You can play defense but no one wins 1-0 so you have to score. That will be the key to any Big 10 team if they want to go anywhere. The scoring will have to come up quite a bit, especially after the first round.

**blackbart** · 03-16-09, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by unde0087

they got in right, Big 10 only looks good when they are playing each other. How can any of these teams lay more than that? If you only score 55 points a game it is tough to win by 10. The league is way down, when they play teams that have 3 or 4 athletic players that can score off the dribble these teams will have problems.

I know it was at the beginning of the season but a great example.....look what UNC did to Mich St. Mich St is known for playing stiff defense in the Big 10, holding teams to low scores and they got torched because top teams like UNC make their defense look bad. It is because these teams have multiple threats so teams like this can't key on one or two players. When Big 10 plays teams like this no matter what defense they bring they will still have to put up 75+ and they just can't do it.

good point, and siena has about 7 or 8 athletic players that can score off the dribble.

**ACCBball** · 03-17-09, 10:00 AM

big ten's style of play not good for tourney play

Originally posted by unde0087

they got in right, Big 10 only looks good when they are playing each other. How can any of these teams lay more than that? If you only score 55 points a game it is tough to win by 10. The league is way down, when they play teams that have 3 or 4 athletic players that can score off the dribble these teams will have problems.

I know it was at the beginning of the season but a great example.....look what UNC did to Mich St. Mich St is known for playing stiff defense in the Big 10, holding teams to low scores and they got torched because top teams like UNC make their defense look bad. It is because these teams have multiple threats so teams like this can't key on one or two players. When Big 10 plays teams like this no matter what defense they bring they will still have to put up 75+ and they just can't do it.

Totally agree with you, their style of play is not going to get it done against teams that can score. I will say that if a team tries to get into a grind it out game then they could be in trouble cause Big 10 teams are so used to it but I dont see that happening.

The tourney favors teams that can score and have great scorers. I dont see how some people are going to take Wisconsin over FSU. I cant think of one guy on Wisky that is consistent on offense. If the shot clock is running down who is going to step up and make that shot? FSU plays great D, has a scorer that is on fire and has three big men that are very athletic, two of which can step out and hit threes.

I dont think its a coincidence that the best offensive team in the Big ten ran through the tournament. A healthy perdude team with great scorers overwhelmed penn state and Ill and even a cold shooting performance (34%) was enough to beat OSU.

**Axis** · 03-17-09, 10:31 AM

Of the late, Big 10 teams just don't do so well in the tourny...They play a different style of basketball than the rest of the country...it's just like in football...tough ball, but generally doesn't seem to stack up well with the rest of the country...

I haven't finished a full bracket yet, but have Wis. losing...MSU winning, Purdue Winning, OSU winning...

I know that OSU game is a toss up, but the numbers point to OSU, and the numbers treated me pretty well over the past few weeks in the conf. tournys...

That's just me...(don't mind the MSU avatar lol)