Breaking: Pinny420 exposed for blatant dishonesty , enlighten us Pinny

[High3rEl3m3nt]

Song for SBR, for letting the forum get to where it is:

[jayc88]

guy is using sbr to lure people into buying his paid picks
he might have had a nice run, but everyone who is not a complete fukking idiot will know that it will not continue like this.
I have no idea why sbr lets him do that, his thread should be put into the tout forum imo

[High3rEl3m3nt]

His thread is doing good. There's no need to buy his picks. He's hitting at a much better clip on his free plays. He has had a few days, where if his clients bet REAL money, they would have lost 80 to 100 units. I have the charts and the excel sheet. To be fair, he's also had some days where he has hit 80 units. I hope guys don't get burried and risk their whole rolls. Very important to reduce percentages of your BR per unit, when following a high volume guy--you have to survive the ups and downs.

[jayc88]

well im not interested in either his free picks or his paid picks, but from some of the picks i've seen it is obvious that he is just a coinflip bettor.
I will give his thread a maximum of 4 weeks until the tide turns and everyone starts crying about losing money following his picks.

[Smoke]

Higher what was joshuas record on paid plays?

[thunderous]

Pinny apologized and I made a comment, before I saw the apology, stating that I didn't believe the comment was truly representative of who he is...he is a father of three.

Pinny acted like a wounded animal for two reasons. 1) he hung himself--revealed that he does not wager some, many, or all of his plays. As a part of this point, and something that I have not discussed in great detail, Pinny has shaved points off his plays. To the peons in the 420 nation, who could not tell you how much a half point, point, or in the case that I discovered, a point and a half are worth, this does not mean anything. To many of the OG's here, this is huge.

2) I am an intelligent mother.fukkker and I am armed with truth. Two combinations that are not fun to go up against.

There are several things I am reading that are not entirely true. Pinny has never had problems getting page views. I did not track and for that matter I do not track anyone, with the intent of giving them exposure. My intent is to give them undisputable transparency. One of Pinny's charges in the many emails is that, "how could you do this, I thought we were friends?" Friends, I don't even know your real name lol. I am not going to befriend anyone that I track to the degree that it compromises the main objectives that drive my project. I don't offer safe haven for liars and cheats. I show there A$$ to the Hall of Shame--e.g. Brock Landers, e.g. the Hall of Shame being rectified in honor of Pinny's offenses. I do find it interesting, the number of people who are coming out of the woodwork in support of me and my charges against Pinny, which include one of his actual FRIENDS. I could bury Pinny in a few screenshots of emails, but he has a tendancy to hang himself, and to me, a self-burial is the most entertaining form of burial.

The final misunderstanding that I am seeing repeated, is that this was a one time, isolated offence out of 750 or so plays. That's not true. He gave out 7 of these teasers. He also gave out the Twolves -3 -110 midday on Sunday, November 10. What he does not know, is that SJ55 also gave out Twolves -3, but he gave the play out on Saturday, November 9. On Sunday, November 10--yes, I am being this detailed in hopes that the 420 zombies can follow along, IT was only 4's accross the board.

So you guys might say, well, it's just 8 plays out of 750 (that I know of, bet there are more if I did a play-by-play audit), but I'd counter that 8 plays (again, that I know of) in roughly A SINGLE FUKKKKING Month.

If this is a jab at me then let me just clarify a couple of things

I have now understood that you have a tracking website and it's important to you that whom you are tracking give out the correct information to which I agree but most here could care less because we (or at least me) have no intention of signing up for any tout service. So to me it doesn't make any difference to me if he gave you wrong plays or inflated lines or whatever.
Again it must be important to you but here at SBR no one should care.

If this was a thread started by you I would have stayed out of it but being started by Roxxy's ghost tells me he is a desperate POS who has only one agenda and that is to bring down Pinny.

You discovered that few/some/many of the plays Pinny gives you in reality he doesn't play...great work!
I am not surprised by that and neither should you...who in reality plays these many games? Tout or not...

[High3rEl3m3nt]

Here's the thing, it would take me a long time to separate the free plays from his paid plays, which were hitting at a nicer clip.

Also, if odds and lines are inaccurate, I can't say with certain what his record is. The 7 teasers he gave out, which do not exist, represent 77 units of action and 70 units won. Please keep that in mind.

Here's what I have:



Average odds are determined by removing the outlier numbers e.g odds that were outside of the norm on either side of the spectrum.

[thunderous]

His thread is doing good. There's no need to buy his picks. He's hitting at a much better clip on his free plays. He has had a few days, where if his clients bet REAL money, they would have lost 80 to 100 units. I have the charts and the excel sheet. To be fair, he's also had some days where he has hit 80 units. I hope guys don't get burried and risk their whole rolls. Very important to reduce percentages of your BR per unit, when following a high volume guy--you have to survive the ups and downs.

You really think people just blindly tail him or any other poster for that matter?
I will give you a example or 2....He posted a soccer play -150 I check at my book and it's at -145 but I have a bunch of pending plays in NBA at night and the soccer game isn't starting until the next day so I decide to wait and see how my games go. Next day I see the line moves to -171...I didn't bet it because I didn't see value in it and sure enough it won but I am not feeling left out because its my money and my decision. Another example he had a football play at -6.5 when I check it just before game time it's -7.5 now I know the difference between -6.5 and -7.5 so what do I do I leave it alone....sure enough it wins by 7. Am I lucky that I didn't tail him? NO I was smart....

So basically everyone doesn't blindly follow someone (at least not me).
And like I said I was and am not interested in any tout service....all i care about the picks he has made or makes in his thread here at SBR

[High3rEl3m3nt]

If this is a jab at me then let me just clarify a couple of things

I have now understood that you have a tracking website and it's important to you that whom you are tracking give out the correct information to which I agree but most here could care less because we (or at least me) have no intention of signing up for any tout service. So to me it doesn't make any difference to me if he gave you wrong plays or inflated lines or whatever.
Again it must be important to you but here at SBR no one should care.

If this was a thread started by you I would have stayed out of it but being started by Roxxy's ghost tells me he is a desperate POS who has only one agenda and that is to bring down Pinny.

You discovered that few/some/many of the plays Pinny gives you in reality he doesn't play...great work!
I am not surprised by that and neither should you...who in reality plays these many games? Tout or not...

Insightful post. Very telling. And no, post was not made with you in my mind.

[High3rEl3m3nt]

You really think people just blindly tail him or any other poster for that matter?
I will give you a example or 2....He posted a soccer play -150 I check at my book and it's at -145 but I have a bunch of pending plays in NBA at night and the soccer game isn't starting until the next day so I decide to wait and see how my games go. Next day I see the line moves to -171...I didn't bet it because I didn't see value in it and sure enough it won but I am not feeling left out because its my money and my decision. Another example he had a football play at -6.5 when I check it just before game time it's -7.5 now I know the difference between -6.5 and -7.5 so what do I do I leave it alone....sure enough it wins by 7. Am I lucky that I didn't tail him? NO I was smart....

So basically everyone doesn't blindly follow someone (at least not me).
And like I said I was and am not interested in any tout service....all i care about the picks he has made or makes in his thread here at SBR

lol. sounds like you don't, but you don't appear to have turned full blown zombie. Read some of the posts from the 420 zombies and tell me that I am wrong.

[mid10]

This shitt is so ridiculous that it is laughable. Pinny post his stuff. Play it, Fade it, don't look at. Who gives a fuckk. If people wanna pay for picks b/c their too lazy to cap there own games. Nothing you can do to save them from themselves. You guys are like the forum police. If you want to bring something to the forum. Post WINNERS. Any fool can troll and try to bring people down.

[High3rEl3m3nt]

If pinny were just a poster, this would not have occured.

Simple question:

If pinny is a tout, do you believe a higher ethical bar should be set for him?

[thunderous]

lol. sounds like you don't, but you don't appear to have turned full blown zombie. Read some of the posts from the 420 zombies and tell me that I am wrong.

not at all...you are not wrong. No question about it.
But just like you are asking me to read responses...isn't it interesting that guys like justin whatever, jayc are coming out of the woodwork to bash him. I would agree them coming out if they are paid subscribers but they claim having nothing to do with his plays and yet have great interest in bringing him down? What do they care?

[High3rEl3m3nt]

didn't ask you to read the responses. I was responding to a full-blown zombie response, who though he was so clever, he posted his response in Pinny's thread to demonstrate his loyalty to the nation.

To the zombie 420 nation, you have met your match and lost:

[boeing power]

This shitt is so ridiculous that it is laughable. Pinny post his stuff. Play it, Fade it, don't look at. Who gives a fuckk. If people wanna pay for picks b/c their too lazy to cap there own games. Nothing you can do to save them from themselves. You guys are like the forum police. If you want to bring something to the forum. Post WINNERS. Any fool can troll and try to bring people down.

I would agree with all this except for the fact pinny is a tout and people need to know the truth about his tracking.

[Nyjrkm06]

Man shut this shit down you pricks , dude gives upwards of 60% winners yet all you bitches do is chase him away

[Fidel_CashFlow]

[High3rEl3m3nt]

Man shut this shit down you pricks , dude gives upwards of 60% winners yet all you bitches do is chase him away

If he was just a poster, none of this would have happend. You are a zombie drug addict. Fortunately, you can still follow his plays. I am sure one of the minions will soon send you a pm, telling you how to find him. A poster pm'd me this, but wished to remain anonymous:

"the thread is being used as a marketing technique to line up the lemmings...seems there's a few guys now "working the door" to send out little "you like the thread...you'll love the "even better" paid service" pm's on his behalf...has that homespun "underground" feel to it, but seems quite well orchestrated"

He's not here just to help, he's here to drum up business.

[Nyjrkm06]

If he was just a poster, none of this would have happend. You are a zombie drug addict. Fortunately, you can still follow his plays. I am sure one of the minions will soon send you a pm, telling you how to find him. A poster pm'd me this, but wished to remain anonymous:

"the thread is being used as a marketing technique to line up the lemmings...seems there's a few guys now "working the door" to send out little "you like the thread...you'll love the "even better" paid service" pm's on his behalf...has that homespun "underground" feel to it, but seems quite well orchestrated"

He's not here just to help, he's here to drum up business.

So youre telling me he came to give a sample size of winnings to collect customers?
Come on man be real he went something like 45-25. He was making everyong money who cares if he's a tout so be it, but let him post 3 plays everyday if they are winning ones

[mid10]

It is irrelevant to me if he runs a paid service or not. If he can pull it off more power to him. No one has to read his thread. Question I have is why you feel such a strong moral duty to do all of this. I'm guessing its not just to stop degenerates from losing money to a tout

[High3rEl3m3nt]

Please respond to this email. Also, before someone says I am revealing personal information, his real name is not Gabe Mcintosh. It'd be the equivalent of me saying that my real name is "brian," which it is not.

[jjgold]

Guys are so jealous here it's really sad

Unsuccessful people are jealous people

[High3rEl3m3nt]

It is irrelevant to me if he runs a paid service or not. If he can pull it off more power to him. No one has to read his thread. Question I have is why you feel such a strong moral duty to do all of this. I'm guessing its not just to stop degenerates from losing money to a tout

Mid, you can guess, or you could look at the evidence. I am not doing this for money. I am irrate that I spent as much time tracking a dishonest loser who does not even bet his own selections. That's my motive for this thread. I tracked close to 800 of his plays in a single month. You'd be a little angry too.

[Smoke]

If he was just a poster, none of this would have happend. You are a zombie drug addict. Fortunately, you can still follow his plays. I am sure one of the minions will soon send you a pm, telling you how to find him. A poster pm'd me this, but wished to remain anonymous:

"the thread is being used as a marketing technique to line up the lemmings...seems there's a few guys now "working the door" to send out little "you like the thread...you'll love the "even better" paid service" pm's on his behalf...has that homespun "underground" feel to it, but seems quite well orchestrated"

He's not here just to help, he's here to drum up business.

Sadly this is the truth. When people get a taste of the free plays they start inquiring about his service and he has the lemmings contact them and give them the site info. I saw at least a dozen people the last few days who want the info to buy one of his packages and he sends the minions out to spread the info

[High3rEl3m3nt]

jjgold, for you to understand what's occurred, you'd need a translator. You do not possess the intelligence or patience to understand what happened. You are one of the worst things that's happened to SBR. Unfortunate.

[High3rEl3m3nt]

Some might say that Pinny is the MaryKay of SBR...running a multi level marketing scheme.

[Smoke]

Guys are so jealous here it's really sad

Unsuccessful people are jealous people

Corbon you're the one who said all touts are scum

He's only here to sell packages

[Fidel_CashFlow]

bet ya if Pinny wasnt hitting 2 out of every 3 plays for the 100 pages
this wouldnt be such a big issue for you to dedicate so much of your time too .
I dont know Pinny or you ... so I realize I really should keep my mouth closed.
But you seem desperate fella.

[onacloud]

you obviously do or why would you try to blast me for no reason on the forum!!! I did nothing but try to befriend you brian and you shit on me!!! lose my contact info don't ever contact me again and im considering seeking legal advice to have your shit site pulled.. so you might want to just take my name down you asshole!! I wont have people slandering me or my name!! you think im joking.. try me!!

Grow up... I can use the name 'pinnacle420' anywhere on the internet on any site and your 'lawyers' couldn't do a thing about it

You want to be a tout so bad, but why? If you are a winning gambler why do you need degenerates to ship you money? Get a job you make us Hoosiers look bad

[mid10]

He is running an add campaign for his servie by posting winning games that people can follow or fade. You are running a smear campaign that people can listen to or ignore. I prefer the campaign that increases my bankroll.

[High3rEl3m3nt]

bet ya if Pinny wasnt hitting 2 out of every 3 plays for the 100 pages
this wouldnt be such a big issue for you to dedicate so much of your time too .
I dont know Pinny or you ... so I realize I really should keep my mouth closed.
But you seem desperate fella.

Do some research, understand what I provide, understand what pinny agreed to, and then reframe your response with this new information in mind. Also realize that I hold a responsibility to let the public know who is honest and who is not. If someone that I track turns out to lie, I have to say something. BTW, I only addressed these issues after erroneous claims were made about my tracking and site.

[High3rEl3m3nt]

He is running an add campaign for his servie by posting winning games that people can follow or fade. You are running a smear campaign that people can listen to or ignore. I prefer the campaign that increases my bankroll.

SBR does not want him using his thread to drum up business.

Secondly, you tell me how I am smearing him? Have I said anything that is untrue? If so, let's hear the specifics.

[SlowNsteady]

How long you going to circle jerk over some bullshit teaser? Move on, life is short.

[High3rEl3m3nt]

8 false plays in roughly a month...and that's without a detailed audit, which I am slowly working on. To you, who obviously does not care about ethics and holding touts accountable, I can understand why you can't get around this issue. To others, this is not okay.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

do you post plays or keep a spreadsheet here High3r ? Just wondering.

Lets hope you are right here, and that your intentions are true.

All I see in his thread is him consistently posting wins,having a good time,

and following the guidelines for the most part.

Trust me when I say I know my place here, and I already know im not involved in players talk

and the history around all this enough to run my mouth in the first place,

but a lot of this shit im reading seems like their is a envious motive behind it.

Hope all this time and effort is worth it for you will be the last thing I say to ya .