Should overtime be included in game and 2nd half totals/spreads?

**pat venditto** · 02-08-09, 01:20 AM

Fuk off.

**FreeFall** · 02-08-09, 01:20 AM

nope. When you bet the total or the spread, you are betting the final line. Be it no ot or 5 ots. Your betting the FINAL score of that game.

**WileOut** · 02-08-09, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by FreeFall

nope. When you bet the total or the spread, you are betting the final line. Be it no ot or 5 ots. Your betting the FINAL score of that game.

I understand this but I don't think it should be this way

**Chi_archie** · 02-08-09, 01:28 AM

It evens out usually in the end, in how much it helps or hurts you...

but nothing hurts worse then capping a game real well, feeling real strong about it....say a 10 point underdog or more...and they play so well that they end up tied after regulation..... and in theory you won that bet by 10 points... then they lose by 14 after OT....... now that hurts

**AgainstAllOdds** · 02-08-09, 01:36 AM

Thats why they call it gambling.

**diogee** · 02-08-09, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

It evens out usually in the end, in how much it helps or hurts you...

but nothing hurts worse then capping a game real well, feeling real strong about it....say a 10 point underdog or more...and they play so well that they end up tied after regulation..... and in theory you won that bet by 10 points... then they lose by 14 after OT....... now that hurts

Not for me it won't...I play more dogs and unders than vise versa so OT almost always hurts me.

**WileOut** · 02-08-09, 01:41 AM

I wonder if possible overtime is built into every total line with like an extra point or 2 or whatever it would be worth over the long run?

**WileOut** · 02-08-09, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

It evens out usually in the end, in how much it helps or hurts you...

but nothing hurts worse then capping a game real well, feeling real strong about it....say a 10 point underdog or more...and they play so well that they end up tied after regulation..... and in theory you won that bet by 10 points... then they lose by 14 after OT....... now that hurts

That is why I think overtime shouldn't count, especially in totals. Overtime is the exception. Its just not consistent. Using overtime brings more luck into the equation and thats probably why books like to include it.

**pat venditto** · 02-08-09, 01:45 AM

AAO i didn't know you were friends with urkel pal

**yisman** · 02-08-09, 02:00 AM

I've said for years it shouldn't be.

Totals and spreads should be based on regulations only.

MLs should be the only thing OT should matter for.

If you take a team +7 and it goes to OT and they lose by 9, you should get a cover. The game was a tie. Similarly, if you had UNDER 139, regulation ends at 65-65 and then there are a dozen points in OT, you should get a win.

**roasthawg** · 02-08-09, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by WileOut

I wonder if possible overtime is built into every total line with like an extra point or 2 or whatever it would be worth over the long run?

Exactly, it is built into the lines. I play far more dogs than I do favs and I play quite a few unders too...I take my share of bad beats throughout the season. It goes with the territory...sucks when it happens but it's not unexpected.

**Chi_archie** · 02-08-09, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by diogee

Not for me it won't...I play more dogs and unders than vise versa so OT almost always hurts me.

good point D...

and my reference was to a real life, game in mid-jan

Notre Dame and Louisville..... last second shot to tie it, then a 16-2 run by louisville in OT. and I don't remember the spread.... but I think harangody messed up the ND 2nd half spread, by fouling for no reason with 4 secs left...

I almost said a curse word that night..... jimmni crickets!!!

**Shortstop** · 02-08-09, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by WileOut

In my opinion overtime should not be included in grading game totals, game spreads, 2nd half totals, or 2nd half spreads. The only thing that should take overtime into account is the ML.

This seems like common sense. When you place a bet, you are betting on what takes place over 4 quarters or the last 2 in the case of 2nd half betting.

No I didn't lose any games tonight or recently because of this but I've always thought this. Especially totals. If not the spread then definately take overtime out of the total equation. But I want the spread out too.

Its not going to change but I wonder why they do it this way?

You wouldn't have started this thread unless you've been buried by taking 2nd half unders. We're not stupid here at SBR.

**pavyracer** · 02-08-09, 09:23 AM

They should learn something from soccer. Why don't they offer two lines? One for regulation time and one for overtime?

**WileOut** · 02-08-09, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

They should learn something from soccer. Why don't they offer two lines? One for regulation time and one for overtime?

pavy you are on to something here. For a long time I figured JJ was the smartest man here but now you are catching up quickly.

Also I bet there would be value in opening a book that doesn't include overtime in grading wagers other than ML. A lot of people just don't want it included. Messes with their capping.

**curious** · 02-08-09, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

In my opinion overtime should not be included in grading game totals, game spreads, 2nd half totals, or 2nd half spreads. The only thing that should take overtime into account is the ML.

This seems like common sense. When you place a bet, you are betting on what takes place over 4 quarters or the last 2 in the case of 2nd half betting.

No I didn't lose any games tonight or recently because of this but I've always thought this. Especially totals. If not the spread then definately take overtime out of the total equation. But I want the spread out too.

Its not going to change but I wonder why they do it this way?

Overtime counts in 2nd Half spreads? I did not know that. So, I have Richmond 2H money line, they went into OT, the 2H won't be graded until OT is over?

**yisman** · 02-08-09, 04:07 PM

^ that's ML, not spreads.

**curious** · 02-08-09, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by yisman

^ that's ML, not spreads.

So will my play be graded at the end of the half or at the end of the OT? I have Richmond 2H money line.

**LT Profits** · 02-08-09, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by curious

So will my play be graded at the end of the half or at the end of the OT? I have Richmond 2H money line.

OT counts so will be graded at end of OT.

**InTheHole** · 02-08-09, 04:59 PM

Confusing poll... I think OT should only be accounted for full-game wagers

**curious** · 02-08-09, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

OT counts so will be graded at end of OT.

Richmond got blown out in the 5th overtime. So it didn't matter anyhows.

Thanks for clearing that up though.