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  • The Kraken
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 12-25-11
    • 28918

    #36
    Originally posted by jjgold
    The posters that backed Betislands ran awayI blame them

    They begged posters to post up, they voted it high

    SBR NEVER DID

    Plenty of companies take add money from companies that go bankrupt and steal money

    It happens everyday
    SBR never backed BI?

    STFU

    SBR backed BI when they allowed them to be affiliates , when they allowed BI to be the main sponsor of the bash, when they gave them numerous upgrades in ratings to a B+, when a mod said he would trust his money there.

    Im not blaming SBR in any way for what happened but to SBR did not back BI is completely false and borderline moronic, JJ.
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #37
      Certain people won over 75K there

      Most posters were posting up $300-$500

      Do the math..horrible people lost money but many players just have no clue what makes a good sportsbook
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      • jjgold
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-20-05
        • 388179

        #38
        Originally posted by the kraken
        sbr never backed bi?

        Stfu

        sbr backed bi when they allowed them to be affiliates , when they allowed bi to be the main sponsor of the bash, when they gave them numerous upgrades in ratings to a b+, when a mod said he would trust his money there.

        Im not blaming sbr in any way but to sbr did not back bi is completely false and borderline moronic, jj.
        sbr never begged posters to post up

        read please

        posters voted it high
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        • Fishhead
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 08-11-05
          • 40179

          #39
          Originally posted by The Kraken
          fish why must you go so far out of your way to appear elite? If you are, so be it. let it be. But you do this on all fronts. You make sure we know you dine at the fanciest restaraunts, have valuable farmland, have won millions on slots, would trust certain posters with six figure balances of your money, post at the elite or big time forums, are a top tier member at most casinos in vegas, are banned or limited at most offshore books etc etc etc blah blah blah.

          Im torn on how I'd react if we ever meet. I'd probably get along with you well as we have a lot in common but a small part of me would resent you for being so boisterous all the fukking time.
          Because since day 11 or 12 posting(late 90's), you have hundreds of internet forum goons not believing many things related to gamblin or making assumptions about you...................then you try and explain and/or aid them in winning or giving them simple clues on how to win, and they take it as bragging or bullshitting, again, and especially these days, SBR, RX, EOG are comedy and/or facebook type forums............but I still enjoy all three, as stated.........good for laughs, seeing old friends, and picking up an occasional nugget...........................oh, and many times I post just to piss people off, especially the stiffs and wannabe freeloaders.
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          • The Kraken
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 12-25-11
            • 28918

            #40
            Stop with the posters JJ. We're not discussing them. I'm aware people shilled for BI bit that is independent of SBR backing BI. They are exclusive.

            There are plenty of other ways to back a book other than beg posters to post up.
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            • billysink
              Restricted User
              • 03-29-09
              • 5172

              #41
              Fukks still trying to get blood out of a fukkin turnip.

              Keep lookin in the rearview mirror at some shit happened can't a fukk anywhere fix.

              Way bigger problems out in front boys.

              Way.
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              • jjgold
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 07-20-05
                • 388179

                #42
                Many posters have no clue what makes good sportsbook

                They see free money and think its a WINNER

                People lose money at banks and brokerages all the time that were touted highly on major networks

                It happens

                get over it
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                • jjgold
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 07-20-05
                  • 388179

                  #43
                  Problem with many people in life is they play the blame game

                  That does nothing

                  BLAME YOURSELF
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                  • The Kraken
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 12-25-11
                    • 28918

                    #44
                    Get over losing more than $10k? easier said than done.

                    But trust me I have. I wrote those losses off last year as "business losses".

                    But please don't come here selling the bullshit that SBR did not back or promote BI because they sure as fukk did. I don't even know how someone can say that with a straight face.
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                    • billysink
                      Restricted User
                      • 03-29-09
                      • 5172

                      #45
                      Originally posted by jjgold
                      Many posters have no clue what makes good sportsbook

                      They see free money and think its a WINNER

                      People lose money at banks and brokerages all the time that were touted highly on major networks

                      It happens

                      get over it
                      The whole industry is prone to trying to make chikken salad out of birdshit. Without the C- books this industry would not exist on a level 99% of this board's participants could be involved. If you are a US player you are fukkin done whichever side of the coin you play on.

                      Give and take. Take and give.
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                      • Fishhead
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 08-11-05
                        • 40179

                        #46
                        Originally posted by jjgold
                        Many posters have no clue what makes good sportsbook

                        They see free money and think its a WINNER

                        People lose money at banks and brokerages all the time that were touted highly on major networks

                        It happens

                        get over it
                        CNBC does it weekly and it involves a little bit more money than I believe what EOG,SBR,RX attempts to profit from on a yearly basis with the numerous shady practices they perform...............having said that, condolences should be in order for anyone scammed or stiffed ANY AMOUNT of money, even though at many times they probably should have been extremely more cautious.
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                        • pavyracer
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 04-12-07
                          • 82669

                          #47
                          The old JJ "the dancing bear" GOLD is back boys!
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                          • Fishhead
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 08-11-05
                            • 40179

                            #48
                            Originally posted by jjgold
                            Problem with many people in life is they play the blame game

                            That does nothing

                            BLAME YOURSELF
                            In the majority of cases, you're right..........but in many cases this is not true..................for Gawdsakes, show some compassion for those that got raked over the coals, you're pissing people off that have lost loads of money to stiff operations offshore.
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                            • jjgold
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 07-20-05
                              • 388179

                              #49
                              The savvy bettors got out of betislands months before

                              They saw the writing on the wall and saw BI had horrible business practices

                              I would think you had to play there to really know..i never did..had no interest in the book and did not pay much attention to the whole BI run

                              Fisher gambling is risky period especially in CR and anyone with big balances anywhere is flat out DUMB

                              Lets feel bad for soldiers that got hurt or died in wars
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                              • The Kraken
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 12-25-11
                                • 28918

                                #50
                                Originally posted by jjgold
                                Problem with many people in life is they play the blame game

                                That does nothing

                                BLAME YOURSELF
                                I hope this isn't directed at me as I clearly said in a previous post that I do not blame SBR.

                                However, the players were the victims JJ. Way to blame the victims JJ.

                                Blame themselves

                                go fukk yourself baldy
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                                • pavyracer
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 04-12-07
                                  • 82669

                                  #51
                                  JJ was wined and dined by SSLP many times to stay quiet. Now he plays the dumb card giving us advice.
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                                  • Fishhead
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 08-11-05
                                    • 40179

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                    The savvy bettors got out of betislands months before

                                    They saw the writing on the wall and saw BI had horrible business practices

                                    I would think you had to play there to really know..i never did..had no interest in the book and did not pay much attention to the whole BI run
                                    Yes, the majority did.........still many savvy one's got raked because they couldn't get their large balances out soon enough.................but agree, the majority of the savvy one's playing there got out before the door caved in.
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                                    • jjgold
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 07-20-05
                                      • 388179

                                      #53
                                      Krackles anyone playing at an unknown book with hefty balances is dumb

                                      Maybe it is their faults
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                                      • billysink
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 03-29-09
                                        • 5172

                                        #54
                                        Anyone involved in this game at a level even worth worrying about a shop shut can only point the finger at the guy in the mirror.

                                        Can't point fingers when your feet are deeper in the dirt than your hand is in your fukkin pocket.

                                        This is SBR not the FDIC and the library of congress.

                                        Weak, weak arguments here on both sides.
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                                        • The Kraken
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 12-25-11
                                          • 28918

                                          #55


                                          JJ let me bring this back to point as we seem to wondering a bit. I'm not saying SBR is solely to blame (although they do have some to share) and Im not saying that we are absolved of some blame ourselves, especially those of us that had "hefty" balances.

                                          But that's all strawman talk to avoid your original quote that SBR did not back BI, which is 100% incorrect.

                                          I could argue with you on almost every point up. You lost no money so it's easy to sit on the sidelines and say its the players to blame, not SBR or even BI, as you insinuate. But that the blame falls on the players. This coming from "the players advocate" and the face of the industry watchdog you can't make this shit up.
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                                          • Fishhead
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 08-11-05
                                            • 40179

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by billysink
                                            Anyone involved in this game at a level even worth worrying about a shop shut can only point the finger at the guy in the mirror.

                                            Can't point fingers when your feet are deeper in the dirt than your hand is in your fukkin pocket.

                                            This is SBR not the FDIC and the library of congress.

                                            Weak, weak arguments here on both sides.
                                            Yes.....................any experienced forum and/or offshore bettor knows the risk, and has nobody to blame but themselves....................and there are thousands at EOG, RX, SBR combined that fit that criteria, no question about it.
                                            Last edited by Fishhead; 07-20-13, 01:39 PM.
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                                            • mbs4
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 05-14-10
                                              • 388

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by The Kraken
                                              Get over losing more than $10k? easier said than done.

                                              But trust me I have. I wrote those losses off last year as "business losses".

                                              But please don't come here selling the bullshit that SBR did not back or promote BI because they sure as fukk did. I don't even know how someone can say that with a straight face.
                                              Did you actually lose $10k or did you deposit a few hundred and run it up by taking advantage of soft lines, free half points, etc?
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388179

                                                #58
                                                Krackles your reading my post wrong
                                                I know Betislands had banner HERE
                                                I meant SBR never begged posters ..its right in next line!!

                                                They begged posters to post up, they voted it high

                                                SBR NEVER DID


                                                The posters that backed Betislands ran awayI blame them

                                                They begged posters to post up, they voted it high

                                                SBR NEVER DID

                                                Plenty of companies take add money from companies that go bankrupt and steal money

                                                It happens everyday
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                                                • The Kraken
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 12-25-11
                                                  • 28918

                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by billysink
                                                  Anyone involved in this game at a level even worth worrying about a shop shut can only point the finger at the guy in the mirror.

                                                  Can't point fingers when your feet are deeper in the dirt than your hand is in your fukkin pocket.

                                                  This is SBR not the FDIC and the library of congress.

                                                  Weak, weak arguments here on both sides.
                                                  That's not entirely true. There is some blame to go around here on all sides. Trust me I understand personal accountability here and I've since learned and made adjustments. Even though SBR is not the FDIC, they're the self proclaimed industry watchdog and John had profited handsomely off of that moniker, so there is certainly some amount of responsibility they must take when a book they constantly bumped up in rating all the way to calling them a book with very low risks of playing there goes belly up and stiffs a lot of people that paid their $200 yearly fee to John. Billy , this is all déjà vu and Im done. Nothing new will surface nor be said. As JJ correctly said, it's in the past time to move on.
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                                                  • The Kraken
                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                    • 12-25-11
                                                    • 28918

                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by mbs4
                                                    Did you actually lose $10k or did you deposit a few hundred and run it up by taking advantage of soft lines, free half points, etc?
                                                    Was the money I won not actually my money?
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                                                    • The Kraken
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 12-25-11
                                                      • 28918

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by jjgold
                                                      Krackles your reading my post wrong
                                                      I know Betislands had banner HERE
                                                      I meant SBR never begged posters ..its right in next line!!

                                                      They begged posters to post up, they voted it high

                                                      SBR NEVER DID


                                                      The posters that backed Betislands ran awayI blame them

                                                      They begged posters to post up, they voted it high

                                                      SBR NEVER DID

                                                      Plenty of companies take add money from companies that go bankrupt and steal money

                                                      It happens everyday
                                                      Agree to disagree :cheers :

                                                      back to phys chem
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                                                      • mbs4
                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                        • 05-14-10
                                                        • 388

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by The Kraken
                                                        Was the money I won not actually my money?
                                                        It was but I think the point that some are trying to make is that everyone was doing that so it should have been obvious that they were going under. Hindsight is 20/20 I know but you live and you learn.
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                                                        • jjgold
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 07-20-05
                                                          • 388179

                                                          #63
                                                          Good points by all

                                                          We all have opinions

                                                          Here is lesson men.....dont have big balances at books....of course places like Bookmaker and 5 Dimes you can have more compared to smaller books

                                                          I am sure SBR and players learned lessons

                                                          I just get ticked at guys having big balances at books
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                                                          • billysink
                                                            Restricted User
                                                            • 03-29-09
                                                            • 5172

                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by Fishhead
                                                            Yes.....................any experienced forum and/or offshore bettor knows the risk, and has nobody to blame but themselves....................and there are thousands at EOG, RX, SBR combined that fit that criteria, no question about it.
                                                            Fish it is pretty easy, having never met folk here, to see who has run game in their time and who has been run over gaming.
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                                                            • Fishhead
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 08-11-05
                                                              • 40179

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by mbs4
                                                              It was but I think the point that some are trying to make is that everyone was doing that so it should have been obvious that they were going under. Hindsight is 20/20 I know but you live and you learn.
                                                              Not everyone, sent 3 of 4 deposits to B.I. and lost them all......................they needed a few hundred more like me.
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                                                              • Fishhead
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 08-11-05
                                                                • 40179

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                Good points by all

                                                                We all have opinions

                                                                Here is lesson men.....dont have big balances at books....of course places like Bookmaker and 5 Dimes you can have more compared to smaller books

                                                                I am sure SBR and players learned lessons

                                                                I just get ticked at guys having big balances at books
                                                                What are you, a rookie???.................it's unavoidable at times.
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                                                                • billysink
                                                                  Restricted User
                                                                  • 03-29-09
                                                                  • 5172

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by Fishhead
                                                                  What are you, a rookie???.................it's unavoidable at times.
                                                                  Not a lot of people understand that. They can't see the big picture only their own issues. Perhaps it is better that way because most wouldn't understand.

                                                                  Take your laptop with a big out up on the screen in the middle of the neighborhood put it down on a streetcorner. Step back 20 paces. Also be prepared someone bout to jack the laptop. That is the big picture.

                                                                  Go back in the house pull up your account in the basement. Be prepared to have your shit jacked here too. That is your picture


                                                                  You got your little picture all jammed up with someone elses big money picture. You no longer have your balls in your own hand do you boys.

                                                                  If you did not have that figured out before posting up or buying your shitty little line than fukk can SBR do for you?
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                                                                  • daneblazer
                                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                    • 09-14-08
                                                                    • 27861

                                                                    #68
                                                                    The collapse of Costa Rica-based online sportsbook BetIslands an expensive lesson for bettors to put their trust in established operators.



                                                                    BetIslands’ failure is particularly galling for the SBR brain trust, who are being called every name in the book by irate bettors left holding empty stockings this Christmas, especially since SBR upgraded the sportsbook to a ‘B’ rating in November 2011 after BetIslands “verified their backing,” which SBR argued was proof of their “financial security.” For the record, there’s no evidence to suggest anything like the BetED/Covers fiasco, in which BetEd took the fall even through the Covers’ boys are widely presumed to have been BetEd’s beneficial owners via a lucrative revenue sharing deal with their former #1 recommended sportsbook. Regardless, it’s a sobering reminder that trust is that rarest of commodities, difficult to obtain and even harder to regain once it’s been lost.
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                                                                    • CoachJB
                                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                                      • 05-08-12
                                                                      • 358

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                      The savvy bettors got out of betislands months before

                                                                      They saw the writing on the wall and saw BI had horrible business practices

                                                                      I would think you had to play there to really know..i never did..had no interest in the book and did not pay much attention to the whole BI run

                                                                      Fisher gambling is risky period especially in CR and anyone with big balances anywhere is flat out DUMB

                                                                      Lets feel bad for soldiers that got hurt or died in wars
                                                                      This is why anyone with a brain bets on credit only. I have big balances everywhere and don't lose a wink of sleep at night, good agents everywhere. Posting up offshore is an absolute joke I can't believe people still do it, mind boggling.
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                                                                      • jjgold
                                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                                        • 07-20-05
                                                                        • 388179

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by CoachJB
                                                                        This is why anyone with a brain bets on credit only. I have big balances everywhere and don't lose a wink of sleep at night, good agents everywhere. Posting up offshore is an absolute joke I can't believe people still do it, mind boggling.
                                                                        Pretty solid post there JB

                                                                        Credit business is flourishing
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