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  • Brock Landers
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    • 06-30-08
    • 45360

    #1
    Vince Young broke...


    Six years after entering the NFL as the third player taken in the draft, Vince Young finds himself without a team and with just a fraction of the money he received from a contract that guaranteed him $26 million.
    The question is, where did it all go?
    In an increasingly caustic war of words, attorneys have been arguing for months over whether Young is an out-of-control spender who put himself deeply in the hole or simply a victim of inexperienced advisers, one of whom was his own uncle.
    Either way, the quarterback whose future seemed unlimited after he led Texas to a Rose Bowl victory in 2006 is now back home in Houston and in a tenuous financial condition.
    "I would just say that Vince needs a job," said Trey Dolezal, Young's attorney, when asked to give a general assessment of his client's finances.
    Young was cut by the Buffalo Bills, his third NFL team, in August. He was trying to make the Bills as a backup, the same role he filled with the Philadelphia Eagles in 2011.
    The fall has been a dizzying one for the player who twice made the Pro Bowl with the Tennessee Titans. Young sent out a tweet thanking the Bills and their fans after he was released but hasn't spoken to the media since. He declined a request to be interviewed for this story.
    Even in pro sports, where tales of squandered wealth abound, Young's plight is "pretty dramatic," said Kenneth Shropshire, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business who has written and lectured extensively on the business of sports.
    "You'd think it would be hard to blow that much money," Shropshire said.
    Young is suing his former agent, Major Adams, and a North Carolina financial planner, Ronnie Peoples, alleging that they misappropriated $5.5 million. In some instances, the pair forged his signature or impersonated him on the phone or in emails, according to the lawsuit, filed in Houston in June.
    The suit was filed five days after a New York lender notified Young that a loan of nearly $1.9 million obtained in his name during the NFL lockout in 2011 was in default. Young is now seeking to stop the lender, Pro Player Funding LLC, from enforcing a judgment of nearly $1.7 million, claiming he wasn't involved in obtaining the loan and that the proceeds went to Adams and Peoples.
    "They conspired to take Vince's money," Dolezal said. "It's that simple."
    Young was the first client of a company, 1 Next Level Sports and Entertainment Inc., formed by Adams, a Houston criminal defense attorney, and the quarterback's uncle, Keith Young, a former middle school teacher.
    Young's problem was "he was just very young ... and allowing these people to have too much control over his life and his name," Dolezal said.
    That notion is vigorously disputed by attorneys for Adams and Peoples, who say Young has nobody to blame but himself.
    "This is a person scrambling helplessly and pointing in all directions to blame others to get out of debt," said Charles Peckham, Adams' attorney.
    Adams twice wrote checks to himself from Young's accounts, but both times were out of necessity, including once when the agent was required to use personal funds to charter a plane for the quarterback after he missed a team flight, Peckham said.
    Peoples has filed a countersuit in which he castigates Young for allowing his uncle to serve as his business manager despite having no expertise in that field.
    Peoples claims in the countersuit that every decision he made was approved by Keith Young. And he calls Vince Young's unwillingness to accept responsibility "a common occurrence ... as (former Titans coach) Jeff Fisher, (Texas coach) Mack Brown, numerous NFL executives, coaches, teammates, scouts, girlfriends and illegitimate children will attest."
    Peoples' attorney, David Chaumette, said he has documents to support the strongly-worded filing.
    "You'll find there was a lot of money being spent in a bunch of different directions," Chaumette said.
    A working phone number for Keith Young could not be located. Court records do not show that he has an attorney.
    According to public records, Vince Young was one of at least 10 NFL players who turned to Pro Player Funding for cash during the lockout. Loan documents show he borrowed the $1.9 million at 20 percent interest, with $619,122 in interest paid up front, and agreed that a judgment could be entered if he missed a payment.
    Young authorized $1 million in payments to Pro Player directly from his Eagles salary during the 2011 season, and his accountant was working this year to have a similar arrangement with the Bills, according to court records. However, when a payment due in May was never made, the loan went into default.
    In challenging the loan's validity, Young claims he didn't "knowingly execute" any of the loan documents. Anything he signed was "without the corresponding documents attached and without knowledge as to what the signatures pages referred," one of his court filings states.
    Pro Player says its case is supported by the fact that Young's signatures were notarized and that emails show he was involved in making sure the lender received repayment directly from the Eagles.
    "Call me if this is not 100 percent clear," Young's accountant wrote him in August 2011 in an email explaining the arrangement. "We want to make certain you know exactly what is going on at all times, especially when you're signing your name to something."
    Young also contends that Pro Player's efforts to serve him and the Bills with legal papers during training camp, which included a threat to contact the local sheriff, "played a role" in the Bills' decision to release him.
    "I wasn't in the room when they (the Bills) made a decision, but what would you think? It certainly wouldn't help me if I'm the owner or the head coach knowing all this is going on with Vince and then he goes out and plays poorly," Dolezal said.
    Bills coach Chan Gailey declined comment when asked if Young's off-the-field issues had anything to do with his release.
    AP Sports Writer John Wawrow in Orchard Park, N.Y., contributed to this report.
  • Bostongambler
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    • 02-01-08
    • 35581

    #2
    Damm, but its still no where near the 100 mill Antoine Walker blew.
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    • SBR Lou
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      • 08-02-07
      • 37863

      #3
      Big surprise there.
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      • BigDeem5
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 02-26-11
        • 17191

        #4
        My favorite player in college, and NFL. Sad.
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        • Brock Landers
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 06-30-08
          • 45360

          #5
          whats the % of NFL and NBA players that go broke shortly after leaving the game? i know its more than 50%
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          • Sam Odom
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 10-30-05
            • 58063

            #6
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            • Vegas39
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              • 09-22-11
              • 30686

              #7
              Originally posted by Brock Landers
              whats the % of NFL and NBA players that go broke shortly after leaving the game? i know its more than 50%
              upper 60% i'd guess
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              • tblues2005
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 07-30-06
                • 9234

                #8
                It is sad but true here. These guys don't know how to manage their money at all. The NFL needs to have money management classes for their players to help them with this I think would help them.
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                • Smoke
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-09-09
                  • 48111

                  #9
                  Brock I feel your pain

                  I will nurse you back to health
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                  • ChalkyDog
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 10-02-11
                    • 9598

                    #10
                    Awesome, a broke degenerate. I assume he will be logged into SBR in no time.
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                    • ChalkyDog
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 10-02-11
                      • 9598

                      #11
                      repeat post - disregard.
                      Last edited by ChalkyDog; 09-19-12, 12:15 PM.
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                      • ChalkyDog
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 10-02-11
                        • 9598

                        #12
                        Originally posted by tblues2005
                        It is sad but true here. These guys don't know how to manage their money at all. The NFL needs to have money management classes for their players to help them with this I think would help them.
                        If someone handed me 26 mil at 22 years old, I would be broke as shit.

                        I was making tons of money, cash, at that age - and it literally burnt a hole in my pocket. Not a single bill is saved from those days. 2 years later, I was struggling getting by on student loans.

                        If someone gives me 26 mil today, in 2 years I will probably have 30 million of that 26.
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                        • Philmill
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-30-11
                          • 4275

                          #13
                          Great Players on the field and court but dont know the value of a dollar or how to save it for their own good...sad.
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                          • ToPHeR
                            SBR MVP
                            • 12-06-11
                            • 1326

                            #14
                            Sports stars are on that there government spending spree!
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                            • borednaz
                              SBR MVP
                              • 08-28-10
                              • 3809

                              #15
                              I remember reading a good article a while back I just forget where about this. To summarize the players actually see about 22% of their actual income the rest goes to agents, accountants, and taxes etc. I think it was slightly higher if they are able to handle most of their own affairs, but since most of them would rather not worry about day to day life & just train they are at the mercy of people.

                              Still even 22% of 26 million that is still 5.72 mill of only the guarantee. Who knows how much he made through his career. That being said he 5 million in the hands of a black athlete is like $6k in Brock Landers hands, boom one -600 ML later and he's broke.
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                              • rumnblack
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 05-21-12
                                • 876

                                #16
                                No sympathy, guy has no work ethic and therefore probably has no money ethics either.
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                                • TxAaron
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 08-25-11
                                  • 2082

                                  #17
                                  Guy will never be completely broke. He owns a top notch steak house in Austin and is well invested in a bunch of other local businesses and real estate.

                                  He just needs to move back to Houston or Austin where he can live for free and be treated like royalty.
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                                  • Bdolan33
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 05-02-12
                                    • 1255

                                    #18
                                    Its called gambling and being a square
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                                    • TheCentaur
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 06-28-11
                                      • 8108

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by tblues2005
                                      It is sad but true here. These guys don't know how to manage their money at all. The NFL needs to have money management classes for their players to help them with this I think would help them.
                                      I can already hear the cries of racism and enslavement when they have to attend class instead of chillin by the pool with the hoes
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                                      • stevenash
                                        Moderator
                                        • 01-17-11
                                        • 65249

                                        #20
                                        In this day and age, with all the past horror stories regarding athletes and blown fortunes, I find this inexcusable.

                                        You mean to tell me, when his agent was signing him for that big fat contract, he didn't sit Vince down and say "yo, Vinny, lock up 1/2 money up long term, so when you are 48 years old you are still enjoying it"

                                        I pity Vince, but pity is not compassion.

                                        This is not a black/white issue either, for every black athlete that squandered a gazillion dollar, I can cite the Jack Clark's of the world with his foolish auto spending, or worse, Lenny Dykstra doing hard time, or Schlister....................
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                                        • Vegas39
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 09-22-11
                                          • 30686

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by stevenash
                                          In this day and age, with all the past horror stories regarding athletes and blown fortunes, I find this inexcusable.

                                          You mean to tell me, when his agent was signing him for that big fat contract, he didn't sit Vince down and say "yo, Vinny, lock up 1/2 money up long term, so when you are 48 years old you are still enjoying it"

                                          I pity Vince, but pity is not compassion.

                                          This is not a black/white issue either, for every black athlete that squandered a gazillion dollar, I can cite the Jack Clark's of the world with his foolish auto spending, or worse, Lenny Dykstra doing hard time, or Schlister....................

                                          Very well said
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                                          • MUHerd37
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 10-23-09
                                            • 12816

                                            #22
                                            Fukk all those guys. Complete morons.
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                                            • OTL
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 03-08-10
                                              • 2433

                                              #23
                                              This is pathetic. He was an exciting player to watch, so I wonder why can't he get signed by an NFL team? Is it due to injury problems? Is he a locker room cancer?
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                                              • stevenash
                                                Moderator
                                                • 01-17-11
                                                • 65249

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Vegas39
                                                Very well said
                                                Thank you sir
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                                                • Sam Odom
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 10-30-05
                                                  • 58063

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by OTL

                                                  ...why can't he get signed by an NFL team?

                                                  head case ... sexual identity problems
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                                                  • tblues2005
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 07-30-06
                                                    • 9234

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by TheCentaur
                                                    I can already hear the cries of racism and enslavement when they have to attend class instead of chillin by the pool with the hoes
                                                    You got that right. I can just imagine the outrage.
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                                                    • SBR_John
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 07-12-05
                                                      • 16471

                                                      #27
                                                      He took out a $1.9 million dollar loan at 20% and prepiad nearly $700k in interest??? That kind of reckless behavior will sink anyone.
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                                                      • BigDeem5
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 02-26-11
                                                        • 17191

                                                        #28
                                                        VY denies allegations on twitter
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                                                        • Brock Landers
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 06-30-08
                                                          • 45360

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by SBR_John
                                                          He took out a $1.9 million dollar loan at 20% and prepiad nearly $700k in interest??? That kind of reckless behavior will sink anyone.
                                                          A fuckin' juice loan
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                                                          • Deuce
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                                                            • 01-12-08
                                                            • 29843

                                                            #30
                                                            Lack of education and raised like an ape.
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                                                            • Naz18
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 09-10-09
                                                              • 4277

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                                              A fuckin' juice loan
                                                              Broke Lenders knows all about juice...
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                                                              • Sam Odom
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 10-30-05
                                                                • 58063

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by BigDeem5

                                                                VY denies allegations on twitter

                                                                Just like when he went 'missing' , family said he was suicidal , agent called the cops <=== NEVER HAPPENED
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                                                                • Dutch
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 09-21-10
                                                                  • 4339

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by SBR_John
                                                                  He took out a $1.9 million dollar loan at 20% and prepiad nearly $700k in interest??? That kind of reckless behavior will sink anyone.

                                                                  This. The end is near when you start taking out big ass loans @ 20%.
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                                                                  • frostno98
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 09-11-07
                                                                    • 9769

                                                                    #34
                                                                    The CFL would work great for Vince Young.
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                                                                    • William Walters
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 01-17-11
                                                                      • 6372

                                                                      #35
                                                                      This is no surprise people. Tard scored a 6 on the wonderlic.
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