Is the "fading teams on a B2B" theory dead in the NBA?

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  • No coincidences
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 01-18-10
    • 76300

    #1
    Is the "fading teams on a B2B" theory dead in the NBA?
    Seems like teams playing on consecutive days are actually getting stronger.

    Bucks and Warriors baffled me tonight with their 4Q performances.
  • Whippit
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    • 04-29-10
    • 3065

    #2
    it's priced in
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    • Pauulzcappin
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      • 04-23-10
      • 20295

      #3
      Earl Boykins had the best game of his career probably tonight, but Bucks looked sharp defensively.

      Monta Ellis is just a beast.
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      • No coincidences
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 01-18-10
        • 76300

        #4
        Originally posted by Whippit
        it's priced in


        Wasn't "priced in" with the LAL/MIL 2H tonight.

        The Bucks were blown out at Portland last night, yet they win by 20 in LA tonight? That made zero sense.
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        • No coincidences
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 01-18-10
          • 76300

          #5
          Originally posted by Pauulzcappin
          Earl Boykins had the best game of his career probably tonight, but Bucks looked sharp defensively.

          Monta Ellis is just a beast.
          Bucks looked like a high school team last night.
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          • Pauulzcappin
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 04-23-10
            • 20295

            #6
            Yea. That's one of the reasons why I liked the Lakers tonight. IDK wtf happened though.
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            • Whippit
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              • 04-29-10
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              #7
              it's priced into the line already

              there's no accounting for the in-game bs
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              • yisman
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 09-01-08
                • 75682

                #8
                plus GS only had 7 players for the 4Q and OT after Amundsen fouled out.
                [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                [/quote]

                [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                • No coincidences
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 01-18-10
                  • 76300

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Whippit
                  it's priced into the line already

                  there's no accounting for the in-game bs
                  That's what I'm saying, though -- maybe it's time to fade the "priced in" factor, which had the Bucks at +12 despite LAL being notorious for hardly ever covering DD spreads at home and the fugging Kings favorites against anyone.
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                  • Foals
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 01-20-10
                    • 857

                    #10
                    Lakers were coming off a long road trip and were playing their 1st game at home. Always fade them on their 1st game back. Bucks just played plain gutsy all throughout and they deserved the win.
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                    • No coincidences
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 01-18-10
                      • 76300

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Foals
                      Lakers were coming off a long road trip and were playing their 1st game at home. Always fade them on their 1st game back. Bucks just played plain gutsy all throughout and they deserved the win.
                      I had MIL +12, but to win by 19 straight up having played and getting routed the night before? The Lakers should be embarrassed.
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                      • vyomguy
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 12-08-09
                        • 5794

                        #12
                        No its not dead...the key is picking your spots...bucks and warriors were the right plays tonight.
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                        • No coincidences
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 01-18-10
                          • 76300

                          #13
                          Originally posted by vyomguy
                          No its not dead...the key is picking your spots...bucks and warriors were the right plays tonight.
                          Bucks +12 or Bucks ML? Because the Lakers have no excuses for this loss.

                          I don't know if there's ever a "right play" when it comes to GS and SAC. Both just horrible teams.
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                          • Whippit
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                            • 04-29-10
                            • 3065

                            #14
                            lakers were legimate double digit point faves imo

                            just too hard to predict when an opponent decides to bring "A" game to LA

                            add in shitloads of lucky shots & you have the bucks not just covering, but winning outright
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                            • Foals
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 01-20-10
                              • 857

                              #15
                              Originally posted by No coincidences
                              I had MIL +12, but to win by 19 straight up having played and getting routed the night before? The Lakers should be embarrassed.
                              "fading teams on a B2B" usually does not work this early into the season. Teams are fresh and historically the Bucks have played the Lakeshow well. I think the Portland game last night was a huge red flag for people to take the Lakers - Milwaukee looked like they were looking forward to this game and did not play at all last night. They gave it their all today and it showed.

                              As for the GS game, well, they were clearly gassed by the 4th. The Kings just have the ability to shit games in the 4th that you cannot take them in any spot. Cousins and Evans are bonehead players and I feel for Westphal because he is a decent coach but he cannot do anything if these two players continuously commit stupid errors.
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                              • vyomguy
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                                • 12-08-09
                                • 5794

                                #16
                                Originally posted by No coincidences
                                Bucks +12 or Bucks ML? Because the Lakers have no excuses for this loss. I don't know if there's ever a "right play" when it comes to GS and SAC. Both just horrible teams.
                                Bucks were actually one of my highest rated plays tonight. There were 3 angles which were going against lakers tonight. I had Bucks +12.

                                Warriors...I know this team inside out...they are my local team...I have predicted more than 90% of their games correctly this season on ATS....I knew they would keep it close or win SU. B2B doesn't apply to warriors as they are a very young team...besides they had to just travel 60 miles to sacremento.....so traveling wasn't a factor. Besides, kings stink and warriors are a much better team than people give credit.
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                                • Pauulzcappin
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 04-23-10
                                  • 20295

                                  #17
                                  Why not say it before the game then
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                                  • yisman
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 09-01-08
                                    • 75682

                                    #18
                                    Lakers were definitely legit double digit faves, with Milwaukee on the tail end of a back to back and missing core pieces.

                                    Sometimes good teams throw up a real stinker, and that's what happened tonight.

                                    It doesn't mean the line was way off.
                                    [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                                    [/quote]

                                    [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                                    • vyomguy
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                                      • 12-08-09
                                      • 5794

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Pauulzcappin
                                      Why not say it before the game then
                                      I posted my lean for bucks on lyon's thread...people dont notice with all the clutter.
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                                      • demens
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 10-22-10
                                        • 2785

                                        #20
                                        Looking at the records from past years, i dont see how this has ever been profitable.

                                        B2B is already accounted for in the line you get. There is no advantage to be played. I think its silly when people throw that into their break down of a game as if its a death sentence.

                                        There are some teams worth fading and some worth tailing on B2B that are an exception, but overall its pretty meaningless. Not only is b2b meaningless, 4 games in 5 nights is meaningless too and 5 games in 7 nights just the same.

                                        Its an 82 game season with 15 guys on each roster. Being tired is overblown, these are pro athletes. And on top of that you have the bookies that know these situations better then you do so even if a team is tired its already reflected in the line way before you think you found an edge there.
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                                        • Goat Milk
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 03-24-10
                                          • 25850

                                          #21
                                          This is something you consider towards the last 30 games of the season NC, especially with the older teams like the Spurs who will struggle on B2Bs later in the season most likely
                                          Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                          • yisman
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 09-01-08
                                            • 75682

                                            #22
                                            Agreed. Just like some teams have more significant home court than others, b2b affects some teams more than others, depending on things like travel, overall fitness, and age.
                                            [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                                            [/quote]

                                            [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                                            • CHAZ
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 12-09-09
                                              • 4978

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                              This is something you consider towards the last 30 games of the season NC, especially with the older teams like the Spurs who will struggle on B2Bs later in the season most likely
                                              Exactly
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                                              • lolbear
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 09-10-09
                                                • 756

                                                #24
                                                bucks team = bogut + boykins
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                                                • Whippit
                                                  Restricted User
                                                  • 04-29-10
                                                  • 3065

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by vyomguy
                                                  I posted my lean for bucks on lyon's thread...people dont notice with all the clutter.
                                                  then man up & start your own thread

                                                  don't be a piggybacker
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                                                  • Ratzz
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 07-07-10
                                                    • 8965

                                                    #26
                                                    fading the NETS against the HORNETS is a great idea.. especially 1st QTR

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                                                    • demens
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 10-22-10
                                                      • 2785

                                                      #27
                                                      Nets are:
                                                      6-1 ATS B2B
                                                      6-0 ATS B2B vs teams with a .500 record
                                                      4-1 ATS B2B on the road
                                                      4-0 ATS B2B on the road vs teams with a .500

                                                      Fading the Nets is a greatidea.
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                                                      • Wojo
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 03-19-10
                                                        • 1764

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by vyomguy
                                                        Bucks were actually one of my highest rated plays tonight. There were 3 angles which were going against lakers tonight. I had Bucks +12.
                                                        Not trying to be a jerk, but you said "I posted my lean for bucks on lyon's thread" in a post but also said in an earlier post that the "Bucks were actually one of my highest rated plays tonight."

                                                        So a "lean" to you is "one of your highest rated plays"?

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                                                        • JOHON8
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 01-28-10
                                                          • 7712

                                                          #29
                                                          It's too early in the season to follow the B2B trend, a lot of amateurs make the mistake of thinking this is profitable before we even reached the xmas. But when you just had an entire summer to train and get your stamina up, it's going to take a while before the season wears down on you.
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                                                          • demens
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 10-22-10
                                                            • 2785

                                                            #30
                                                            B2B Since February last season 131-141
                                                            B2B Since February 2008 season 119-120

                                                            250-261 over the last 2 years. Thats 49% ATS. 51% if you fade.

                                                            These numbers are even worse if you count from March, with teams cover more then 50%.

                                                            This isn't profitable period. Late season or not.
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                                                            • Goat Milk
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 03-24-10
                                                              • 25850

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by demens
                                                              B2B Since February last season 131-141
                                                              B2B Since February 2008 season 119-120

                                                              250-261 over the last 2 years. Thats 49% ATS. 51% if you fade.

                                                              These numbers are even worse if you count from March, with teams cover more then 50%.

                                                              This isn't profitable period. Late season or not.
                                                              yeah and overs will hit at a 52% clip one year. does that mean overs are not profitable?
                                                              Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                              • Pauulzcappin
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 04-23-10
                                                                • 20295

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                                yeah and overs will hit at a 52% clip one year. does that mean overs are not profitable?
                                                                Of course not goat, you can only break even and you have to bet all of them!!!
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