I mean he couldn't win in Cleveland and he blamed the coaches and now he can't win in Miami. Why do we always blame the coaches? Could he actually be a flop?
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No, he's not a flop. Maybe just not as great as everybody thought. Maybe he's Drexler/Dominique?Comment -
no he is better than everyone thinks. most great players make others better, but to make your teammates worst you have to be really really amazing.Comment -
LeFraud has fooled everyone. All this guy has done since HS is cause his teammates to shrink and place blame on everyone else. He even faked people into crowning him King.
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When they call you "possibly the greatest player of all time", I think your ego might enlarge a bit. 3 big egos in Miami with ridiculously overrated expectations = disaster.
Every team needs to be called an underdog. Every player needs to be doubted. Once they lose that title their next challenge is ego.Comment -
i don't know why you gave me points since you dont like lebron and i think this shows he is one of the 5 best players to ever play basketball. no one else has ever been so good that the other players on the team just stand around and watch in amazement. he is so good he made d-wade an average player.Comment -
Lebron is a great player, I think he probably should have stayed in Cleveland since I don't see how he is going to accept a lesser role that he has to play on the Heat.
I say Lebron is as good as Kobe(when he was healthy).Comment -
For all of Lebron's amazing talents there are several holes in his game. He has never been Jordan and he isn't as good as Kobe. Lebron has talents, but they are not suitable to being a primary mover of a championship caliber team. Wade, for all purposes is basically the same skill set but with more heart,courage, and determination. Wade has the drive. Wade is a winner. Lebron is a pretender. Wade took a piece of shit Marquete team to the final 4 as a Senior. One of the most amazing runs in March Madness of my life time. Lebron is only a threat with the ball in his hands and then it's not a huge threat because he really has never had a consistent jumper. he also is not a good FT shooter. Lebron makes highlights because he is big and very athletic and his dunks get the crows going but in the end they are only worth 2 pts.. Just like at the end of the game tonite when they were down by 8-10 under 1 minute and the Magic gave him the dunk.. He did it because it was free and padded his stats. What the Heat needed was a 3ptr there to have any chance.. Wouldn't have mattered anyways but the right play was to shoot the 3 rather than dunk, then foul and give the 2 pts back up?Comment -
Because your post proves my point. Lebron = shrinking teammates. He hogs the ball so much that guys stand around and don't know what to do. I could go down a long list of players who got thrown under the bus playing under Lebron.
Now, I definitely don't agree with you saying Lebron is a top 5 player. I'm not sure if your being serious or sarcastic? Lebron's not even a top 50 player at this point.Comment -
He's good, MAC. I think your bitterness towards him for leaving is affecting your judgement on that last comment.Comment -
bron bron is a top 2 player, he only lead the shitty cavs to a few number 1 seeds, while the boston trio was in tack, orl was going hard, atl was hanging around. last year he quit in the playoffs, anybody who watches bball could tell u that. this guy is legit, give the heat some time. i think they only had 3 players that played together and now their down to 2 wade and chalmers, cant count anthony he blows. greatness takes time doesnt happen overnight.Comment -
Pauulz - I'm really not bitter. I'm glad he left the Cav's, it was time to go and after he tanked games, I didn't want him on the team. Am I relishing his failure? Oh, yes but I'm not bitter that he left. If you check the forums here last year I said it was time for change.
I still stand by my statement that he's probably a top 50 guy "right now". If he keeps up his current stats for the next 5 - 7 years he will move up. I think he's already peaked and is on the decline of his career. He's played a lot of basketball on his legs and he's really not a basketball player. He's more like a football player body playing the game. His game is very one dimensional and he hasn't improved his shooting, post moves, FT's, etc. This is his worst year ever at rebounding and he turns the ball over WAY TOO much. Anyone not noticing his decline is in denial or hasn't really seen him play much.Comment -
The only people who think Lebron's a top 10 player ever are very, very young. The Con continues.Comment -
He does turnover the ball too much and his ballhogging is bad for the Heat.
I agree he'll fade away as the years go by, because he'll lose his strength.
He's not TALENTED like Kobe, who works hard and as every year goes by, improves his jumpshoots and a few other stuff.
But right now, he's still TOP-10 on the league.Comment -
I really can't list 10 players better than lebron on the league.Comment -
Top 10 EVER??? I can think of a lot of guys that are better than Lebron if his career ended today. He has time to move up the list but I'd put him behind guys like...
Jordan
Kobe
Magic
Bill Russell
Bob Cousy
Wilt
Bird
Kareem
KC Jones
Shaq
Hakeem
Malone
Barkley
Isiah Thomas
John Stockton
Patrick Ewing
Elvin Hayes
Doctor J
Elgin Baylor
Bob Petit
KG
John Havliceck
Jerry West
Moses Malone
Oscar Robertson
Tim Duncan
PippenComment -
I thought you were saying nowadays. Not the whole history...Comment -
I don't think so. Miami should improve going forward.Comment -
Well there's over 100 players that have more points than Lebron... I'm sure the formatting is going to suck but here you go. Lebron has A LOOOONG way to go to get in the top 20. The way he's regressing already, I'd bet he won't make top 10. Lot of miles on his legs already and he doesn't have a jumpshot.
Rank Player PTS 1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 38387 2. Karl Malone* 36928 3. Michael Jordan* 32292 4. Wilt Chamberlain* 31419 5. Julius Erving* 30026 6. Moses Malone* 29580 7. Shaquille O'Neal 28349 8. Dan Issel* 27482 9. Elvin Hayes* 27313 10. Hakeem Olajuwon* 26946 11. Oscar Robertson* 26710 12. Dominique Wilkins* 26668 13. George Gervin* 26595 14. John Havlicek* 26395 15. Kobe Bryant 26169 16. Alex English* 25613 17. Reggie Miller 25279 Rick Barry* 25279 19. Jerry West* 25192 20. Artis Gilmore 24941 21. Patrick Ewing* 24815 22. Allen Iverson 24368 23. Charles Barkley* 23757 24. Robert Parish* 23334 25. Adrian Dantley* 23177 26. Elgin Baylor* 23149 27. Kevin Garnett 22484 28. Clyde Drexler* 22195 29. Gary Payton 21813 30. Larry Bird* 21791 31. Hal Greer* 21586 32. Dirk Nowitzki 21446 33. Ray Allen 21200 34. Walt Bellamy* 20941 35. Bob Pettit* 20880 36. Tim Duncan 20820 37. David Robinson* 20790 38. Mitch Richmond 20497 39. Paul Pierce 20178 40. Tom Chambers 20049 41. John Stockton* 19711 42. Vince Carter 19679 43. Bernard King 19655 44. Clifford Robinson 19591 45. Walter Davis 19521 46. Terry Cummings 19460 47. Bob Lanier* 19248 48. Eddie Johnson 19202 49. Gail Goodrich* 19181 50. Reggie Theus 19015 51. Dale Ellis 19004 52. Scottie Pippen* 18940 53. Chet Walker 18831 54. Isiah Thomas* 18822 55. Bob McAdoo* 18787 56. Mark Aguirre 18458 57. Dolph Schayes* 18438 58. Glen Rice 18336 59. Dave Bing* 18327 60. World B. Free 17955 61. Calvin Murphy* 17949 62. Lou Hudson 17940 63. Chris Mullin 17911 64. Lenny Wilkens* 17772 65. Bailey Howell* 17770 66. Magic Johnson* 17707 67. Rolando Blackman 17623 68. Otis Thorpe 17600 69. Tracy McGrady 17592 70. Earl Monroe* 17454 71. Ron Boone 17437 72. Kevin McHale* 17335 73. Michael Finley 17306 74. Jack Sikma 17287 75. Kevin Willis 17253 76. Antawn Jamison 17239 77. Jeff Malone 17231 78. Chris Webber 17182 79. Spencer Haywood 17111 80. George McGinnis 17009 81. Bob Cousy* 16960 82. Buck Williams 16784 83. Latrell Sprewell 16712 84. Tiny Archibald* 16481 85. Joe Dumars* 16401 86. James Worthy* 16320 87. Billy Cunningham* 16310 88. Stephon Marbury 16297 89. Paul Arizin* 16266 90. Randy Smith 16262 91. Jason Kidd 16245 92. Jerry Stackhouse 16119 93. Derek Harper 16006 94. Kiki Vandeweghe 15980 95. Juwan Howard 15961 96. Pete Maravich* 15948 97. Rasheed Wallace 15860 98. Jack Twyman* 15840 99. Detlef Schrempf 15761 100. Larry Nance 15687 101. Grant Hill 15675 102. Jeff Hornacek 15659 103. Antoine Walker 15647 104. Sam Cassell 15635 105. Terry Porter 15586 106. Walt Frazier* 15581 107. LeBron James 15580Comment -
LeBron will easily score 30,000 by the end of his career. Is he going to be top 10 ever? He was on his way but the bad decision and now an average/above average team will hamper thatComment -
Mac are you kidding me? I already said I'm talking about RIGHT NOW.Comment -
LOL, I'd have to say that Lebron is definitely top 5 today and possibly #2 or #1. He's a freak athlete for the game of basketball. The guy is the size and weight of Julius Peppers and one of the fastest guys in the league. I call it as I see it. He's a top talent in the league... BUT, for all his athleticism he's missing a lot of key tools in the game. His jumper, free throw shooting, and post up game are the most troublesome. But he also takes plays off and doesn't get in the flow of the game at times and doesn't involve his teammates.
Most of all he doesn't have the desire to win. He'd rather have fun, be famous and make money instead of being hell bent on winning. After he tanked game 5 he walked off the court and it didn't even phase him. A true winner wouldn't go to sleep until he redeemed himself. He doesn't have the killer instinct and would rather defer to someone else to take the last shot.
It's actually sad because if he spent time honing his craft, he could really be one of the best ever but he doesn't seem to have a high work ethic and is just relying on his God giving gifts. He'd rather practice trick shots instead of free throws. I saw Jordan lose to Boston and Detroit and get determined to win. I saw him work on his body and improve his shot in order to take the rigors of the post season. lebron hasn't gotten better lately.Comment -
Suppose Lebron regrets not deciding on the Bulls?Comment -
Only time will tell but Lebron haven't won shit yet and there are no more excuses. It's not the coaches fault or his teammates fault anymore. He has to play ball or shut up.Comment -
i guess lebron fans will have their excuses ready by the end of the season if ever they don't win oneComment -
LeBron is a very good player. But his move to the Heat did not step up his game. His game was better when he was carrying the load. Sharing the load is making him soft. Reminds me when Karl Malone joined the Lakers and most thought they were a lock to win it all.Comment
