Lakers +3.5 v Cavs

zigomanisinsider · 01-21-10, 12:06 AM

look good

Shafted69 · 01-21-10, 12:08 AM

CLE will sweep the regular season series.

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Pride>UFC · 01-21-10, 12:11 AM

Lakers win this by 8 I think...

probably preview of finals now that Orlando and Boston have established themselves as not very good...not that Cleveland is either, but the other two teams managed to get much worse (adding Rasheed for Celtics and adding Vinsanity to the Magic and letting Turkoglu and Alston go were bad decisions for both teams) than the Cavs (adding a fat slob like Shaq to a quick, young team).

All in all, every one of the best four teams in the NBA got worse (Ariza's a better fit), but the Lakers are probably still the best.

Durrrr · 01-21-10, 12:15 AM

I'm thinking cavs here, Kobe injured, cavs playing hot. There's a reason they are favourite.

sportsguy04 · 01-21-10, 12:23 AM

Love Lakers here. Lakers bench is the key.

lakerboy · 01-21-10, 12:30 AM

I kinda like cavs right now they are certainly the play. I know Phil doesnt show much in these games. Like Kobe said last year this meant something but this year it doesnt cause Lakers have won already. It means a lot more to the cavs for sure.If they want homecourt they need this game to get the tiebreaker in case they are both tied at the end. Might be a no play. I do love the under.

Ace_of_Spades · 01-21-10, 12:32 AM

Cavs have been slammed, Lakeshow for me. It may come down to a 3 point victory. This is a very similiar position with a Bulls/Cavs match a few seasons agao. The Cavs beat the Bulls in Chicago and from memmory, i think the Bulls returned the favour and beat the Cavs in Cleveland or maybe they covered the +3, either way, quite similiar.

Its no lock, but its a good chance.

williams22 · 01-21-10, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by sportsguy04

Love Lakers here. Lakers bench is the key.

The Lakers bench is actually pretty poor this year. They were outscored 31-17 in bench points in the first matchup with the Cavs.

Ace_of_Spades · 01-21-10, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by lakerboy

I kinda like cavs right now they are certainly the play. I know Phil doesnt show much in these games. Like Kobe said last year this meant something but this year it doesnt cause Lakers have won already. It means a lot more to the cavs for sure.If they want homecourt they need this game to get the tiebreaker in case they are both tied at the end. Might be a no play. I do love the under.

Homecourt? That is all well and good, but they still have to win the game, and i think revenge is on their minds after that Christmas day slamming in LA. It certainly is an interesting game and spread.

lakerboy · 01-21-10, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by williams22

The Lakers bench is actually pretty poor this year. They were outscored 31-17 in bench points in the first matchup with the Cavs.

LOL agreed there bench stinks. They did play pretty good against orlando the other night. Farmar is trying cause he needs a contract and Brown is decent and Odom is solid. Anyways this game will be decided by the starters. I hope Cavs win.

Ace_of_Spades · 01-21-10, 12:39 AM

I like the under 195.5 too. I already locked it in a t Pinnacle.

williams22 · 01-21-10, 12:39 AM

I can't play a side here, mainly because I lean Cavs a little too strongly and I think I'm being biased. There is a revenge factor for LA, but they are too busy downplaying the importance of this game for me to think that will come into play. I'm guessing Phil walks into this game with no clear attack plan again, just as he did for the game in LA. Kobe is hurting this Laker team right now. I admire him for trying to play through pain, but sometimes it takes a bigger man to realize when it's time to hang them up for a few games and get yourself back to 100%.

One small thing to keep in mind, the Cavs will still be without Jamario Moon tomorrow who was a major factor in containing Kobe of Christmas Day. When Parker goes to the bench it will be a combination of Lebron and Jawad Williams guarding Kobe.

williams22 · 01-21-10, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by lakerboy

LOL agreed there bench stinks. They did play pretty good against orlando the other night. Farmar is trying cause he needs a contract and Brown is decent and Odom is solid. Anyways this game will be decided by the starters. I hope Cavs win.

I think the Lakers have some talent on the bench, but most of them under-produce for their respective talent-levels, with Odom being the largest culprit.

The Cavs were able to dominate down low in the first matchup. Bynum and Gasol were pretty much non-existent. Let's see if Phil makes any adjustments (my guess is he doesn't, as he is extremely stubborn). The Cavs biggest weakness defensively is guarding a stretch forward, yet I think I saw the Lakers set up a Gasol jumper maybe twice all game.

mkasad23 · 01-21-10, 12:48 AM

this game should be lower than 3.5 if it was a pick id go with lakers but this line has a ton of laker money coming in on tnt thursday night

williams22 · 01-21-10, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by mkasad23

this game should be lower than 3.5 if it was a pick id go with lakers but this line has a ton of laker money coming in on tnt thursday night

I'm surprised this line isn't higher for a few reasons:
1. The Lakers were a 5-point favorite on Christmas and lost by 15 at home.
2. Cleveland is 15-3 at home; the Lakers are 9-6 on the road (including 1-3 in their last 4).
3. Kobe is hurt to the point where he needs to take games off to rest up, yet he's refusing to do so.

mkasad23 · 01-21-10, 01:01 AM

good points

mkasad23 · 01-21-10, 01:01 AM

revenge factor?

williams22 · 01-21-10, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by mkasad23

revenge factor?

Yeah I mentioned that above, but the Lakers are almost too arrogant for that, in my opinion anyways. Kobe and Phil spend all their time talking about how this is just another game. Cleveland approaches this matchup like it's a playoff game. We'll find out real quickly how much time Phil spent on making adjustments. If Gasol doesn't take at least 4 jumpshots in the first quarter Phil Jackson should just stop coaching.

sportsguy04 · 01-21-10, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by williams22

The Lakers bench is actually pretty poor this year. They were outscored 31-17 in bench points in the first matchup with the Cavs.

Sorry should of re-phrased myself. I meant in the Orlando game they did very well.

williams22 · 01-21-10, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by sportsguy04

Sorry should of re-phrased myself. I meant in the Orlando game they did very well.

That's true, they did. However, outside of Odom I don't think the Lakers have much of a bench, and you never know if he's going to show up for a game or not.

lakerfan420 · 01-21-10, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by williams22

Yeah I mentioned that above, but the Lakers are almost too arrogant for that, in my opinion anyways. Kobe and Phil spend all their time talking about how this is just another game. Cleveland approaches this matchup like it's a playoff game. We'll find out real quickly how much time Phil spent on making adjustments. If Gasol doesn't take at least 4 jumpshots in the first quarter Phil Jackson should just stop coaching.

its like lakers dont believe in revenge hahha they lose to teams, come back in and still do bad... i think under will be safest bet

lakerboy · 01-21-10, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by williams22

Yeah I mentioned that above, but the Lakers are almost too arrogant for that, in my opinion anyways. Kobe and Phil spend all their time talking about how this is just another game. Cleveland approaches this matchup like it's a playoff game. We'll find out real quickly how much time Phil spent on making adjustments. If Gasol doesn't take at least 4 jumpshots in the first quarter Phil Jackson should just stop coaching.

OMG you kill me bro your such a homer. You have Mike brown as coach and your questioning Phil Jackson. LOL I think its safe to say that his methods work.Phil is a pro he lets his players figure it out and doesnt panic. This game means nothing to the lakers. Absolutely nothing. Like i said i hope cavs win.

bcc8264 · 01-21-10, 01:43 AM

Lakers will woooop cavs

MrSink · 01-21-10, 02:07 AM

Hard to judge which team will take adantage here. I won't put any units here but gl to all

MoneyMaker6 · 01-21-10, 02:08 AM

no one is liking the over in this game?

nastradamus · 01-21-10, 03:31 AM

hard to pick winner for me, I will wait for live odds @Pinnacle. GL all

treece · 01-21-10, 04:23 AM

I'll take the Laker moneyline.

stakagrp · 01-21-10, 06:29 AM

This game will be played in a playoff type fashion meaning defense. 7 out of the last 10 games played in Cleveland between these two teams has gone under. The public will probably be all over Lakers and the over tomorrow. Best thing to do is to watch the line movement and public play %. This will be a revenge game for the Lakers, but that doesn't guarantee a win like what just happened today with the San Antonio Spurs losing to Utah all 4 times this season. Last season the Lakers dominated Cleveland and maybe this year might be the opposite. My lean is under 195.5 but will wait til tomorrow to see line movement.

mkasad23 · 01-21-10, 06:42 AM

this ones a pass grab some popcorn and enjoy type game

zoukakos · 01-21-10, 07:58 AM

this will be a hard one t decide as everyone in this thread decided. its really difficult to choose a side. if i had a pistol pointing at my head i would say Cavs but now that i dont i say NO BET

Z_Wipf · 01-21-10, 08:12 AM

I have to take Lakers here. I think they want it more right now and Kobe hates losing to lebron

Jon825 · 01-21-10, 08:19 AM

GL

teaserpleaser · 01-21-10, 09:46 AM

Trust a guy who watches the lazy lakers play every night... You can't trust them on the road those fukkers don't even look like they try sometimes, same shit that happened last game vs the cavs varrajao is going to outwork them again... Cavs had more energy in LA what makes you think LA will have more energy then them in cleveland? How do you bet on team on the road that won't dive for loose balls? Like I said I'm a homer here in lala land I can't tell you the last time I watched a laker starter dive for a loose ball... Will the lazy lakers be settling for jump shots? That's another thing kobes old now he doesn't like the contact said so on kcal 9, fisher not a threat to take it to the hole. I'm probably going to wait until half to see if these lazy lakers will prove me wrong.

lyon804 · 01-21-10, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by williams22

I'm surprised this line isn't higher for a few reasons:
1. The Lakers were a 5-point favorite on Christmas and lost by 15 at home.
2. Cleveland is 15-3 at home; the Lakers are 9-6 on the road (including 1-3 in their last 4).
3. Kobe is hurt to the point where he needs to take games off to rest up, yet he's refusing to do so.

The Line isn't higher to suck everybody in.. People in this thread for the most part loves the Lakers.If the line was -7 Cle people would be more likely to shy away from the extra points thinking something was up...

All in all It's Cavs in this game for me. I love them here. The Pubs have been seeing Cleveland playing weak lately. They have just played down to their competetion. Cavs win this one 97-89