gl all backers
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gl everyone.. i was actually gonna do +2 phx even.. but i backed out.. i'll just enjoy this game.Comment -
I couldn't disagree more with this play. PHX played well in the first half (54% from the field, including 6/9 from 3) and still trailed by 2.Comment -
Refs did a good job on Amare. He's played 15 minutes of the first 42 minutes. And no calls for all the Nash-slapping.
One of the worst called playoff games I've seen in a long time.Comment -
EVERYTIME Phoenix loses in playoffs it's "BECAUSE" of the bad calls or no calls on the plays SHUT UP Phoenix is getting out hussled and outplayed. What about the pure block by Duncan and Horry that gets called a foul or the constant holding on Duncan down low that is a no call. The only truly bad call was against Phoenix on Amare's 4th foul that was BS, but then lets see lets knock out Ginobli and try to take him out of the game yea SA plays dirty my @$$ and he didn't even get the foul call. There have been equally good calls and equally bad calls this game they even each other out.Comment -
I have to agree with DH. Nash is getting fouled, and getting no calls. A 2 time MVP getting no respect.Comment -
What about a 3 time FINALS MVP getting the same amount of respect if Duncan doesn't get respect from the refs why should Nash. What about Ginobli getting respect with an obvious hit to the face Phoenix let this game get out of hand in the 3rd quarter. Amare needs to learn how to quit hitting people on the way up and this game would be close and he pissed Duncan off which wasn't good, because he just destroyed them down low.Comment -
Amare was just getting fouled on, and no call. Whatever would have happened, PHX could NEVER have won this game.Comment -
The officiating has been terrible tonight. There have been bad calls against both sides, but I would agree that the majority have gone against the Suns tonight. The 4th foul on Stoudemire in particular, where Oberto blatantly flopped, was awful. That was basically the game, as it caused Amare to sit out most of the 2nd half.Comment -
I have heard this rant so many times before why does someone always have to blame the calls when it concerns Phoenix. Because they attack the basket everytime it looks like it could be a foul call everytime that is what offensive teams do. SA has had more of the good calls this game yes, but when in Phoenix they get the better calls your home fans always no matter what influence the refs in a way. Without meaning to the refs play to the fans it happens every game and will until the end of time it is human nature to get influence by people. Either way I don't think Phoenix could win the game without Amare down low coming up big he has to stay out of foul trouble and you can't say he didn't earn his fouls only one was a bad call. With Amare in they can contain Duncan a little, but without him in the game is over.Comment -
Amare was never allowed to play. Period. And the fouling on Nash was completely ignored, except for the Bowen knee in his groin. lolComment -
never allowed to play he took himself out of the game sometimes like the anouncers said he has to let a dunk go you can't block EVERY shot. Sometimes instead of giving up a big foul and putting yourself in a sitout position you have to let them score. He didn't do that every foul he hit them on the way up the replays showed it EVERY time again though that 4th foul really hurt a ton in the 3rd and that is when SA pulled away so that foul call alone did really hurt Phoenix I give you that. Without that call things might of been different, but Amare shouldn't of put himself in that spot anyway and then picking up his 5th right away in the 4th was just stupid.Comment -
If you see the type of fouls they let go and the type of fouls they called on Amare you get the idea pretty quick. Refs decided the game, whether you like it or not.Comment -
I disagree sir, but it is easier to see that different sides depending on who you had in the game and wanted to win as well. Betting always shadows judgement as I always say. I still say that if Amare keeps himself out of trouble though that game turns out different and I have no doubt coach will talk to him about it tomorrow. He really let the team out there, because they need him to beat the Spurs.Comment -
I had the Spurs tonight and have a huge bet on SA to win the series, but the calls certainly went against PHX tonight. The Spurs are still the better team, and I don't think the Suns can win in SA regardless, but they have absolutely no chance when Amare plays only 21 min. That 4th foul on Amare was the biggest play of the game, and it was a terrible call.Comment -
I was only on the total for the game. To me this is about a key playoff game in the NBA being called in a ridiculously onesided way. Why even watch the season if it comes down to this? MLB may be slow but at least the refs influence is limited.
On another forum they mention that it has to be pretty bad if even the neutral tv announcers start mentioning the bad calls.Comment -
The Phoenix coach has done a great job with that team since he took over, but he's got to stop yelling at the refs and coach his team. Guy never stops complaining.Comment -
Saying that Mike Breen is "neutral" is like calling Al Sharpton a republican. That guy is completely in love with the Spurs. The overwhelming theme of tonight's game was based on Amare's comments about Bowen, but when "Crazy Legs" knees Nash in the groin, all Breen mentions is how that is a typical action by an offensive player in the NBA. How laughable. Not even a quip about how things like that are the PRECISE reason Bruce has the reputation he does around the league.
The referees have become the absolute overriding unknown factor in determining the outcome of each NBA game. SAS and Utah are both considered "physical" teams by the experts which essentially means that they are going to foul every single time down the court because they know the officials will not call all of them. Being a good defender is now nothing more than seeing just how many times you can foul someone without being called for it.Comment -
Exactly. Apart from a few clearcut games the best way to approach the NBA may be to bet only totals. The ref stats can be useful there. For instance, tonight's Tim Donaghy (who from midcourt called two Spurs FT's on a layup, while the baseline ref and tv camera saw no foul) is now 13-5 O/U when the posted total is between 195 and 204.5.Comment -
Dark Horse, I'm gonna presume you had money on the Suns? Are you seriously complaining about the fouls called on Stoudemire? Or are you complaining about Nash getting fouled but the refs not calling the fouls? Well, did you see Ginobili's eye? Did they call a foul on that? The officiating wasn't that bad...Comment -
I was front row, center court at that game, and believe me, Phoenix got away with a whole lot more than S.A. did. And as a frequent critic of the officiating, I would tell you if Phoenix got hosed. There have been plenty of games where I've said "wow, we got ALL the calls tonight." but yesterday wasn't one of those games. The Manu eye punch, the Kurt Thomas moving picks, Bob Horry getting thrown down and whistled for a foul on an inbounds play with 2 on the shot clock... Duncan was getting absolutely abused with Thomas kneeing him to push him out of the blocks and arm-barring him (last I heard, the arm bar/hand check combo was illegal-yet Phoenix employed a healthy dose of both). Parker got drilled on an up and under layup (you could hear the slap and see the hand slap his non-shooting hand. Every one of Amare's fouls was an actual foul. Frankly, he got away with about 2 travels also. Even the Phoenix fans behind me didn't complain about the officiating, though they had some choice words about Bowen's knee to the crotch of Nash. It Was a poorly officiated game, but not exactly in Phoenix's favor. The Spurs played some of the best defense (after that horrendous 1st quarter when Raja Bell decided to go Dale Ellis on the Spurs). Nash had an off-night, plain and simple, and blaming the loss on poor officiating is petty and just plain wrong in this case. The off-the-ball contact was almost constantly initiated by the Suns (particularly the Duncan handling). Tim had a great game, Manu snapped out of his funk after getting hit by a harder punch than was landed in the entire De La Hoya/Mayweather fight, and Nash had a poor game. It happens.Comment -
DH, Really? You're absolutely delusional if you don't think he took a shot to the eye. I don't even know what to say if you actually believe that comment.
Now, on the other hand, if you're just being a little sarcastic, I'll say this: the officiating was erratic (as is the case in every NBA game these days, it seems). I'm just saying that you should give credit where credit is due. The refs didn't lose that game for Phoenix; Phoenix lost that game (or more appropriately, San Antonio won that game). I feel bad for everyone who was on the wrong side of that game last night, but not because they got cheated, simply because they lost money. Duncan had an incredible game, Manu finally put together a decent half of basketball, and the Spurs played some of the best team defense (again, after the first quarter) that I've seen in quite awhile. The switching was superb and the communication on the defensive end was terrific. Nash didn't play well, Thomas couldn't guard Duncan, and Amare got in foul trouble. Look, I know you're an excellent poster on here, but I'm here to tell you that the officiating had absolutely no bearing on the final outcome of that game. The Spurs outplayed Phoenix, there were some bad calls and bad no-calls for BOTH teams, but SA played better and won the game, plain and simple.Comment
