I'm all for settling it on the court but was Amare Stoudemire right?

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  • Bill Dozer
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    • 07-12-05
    • 10894

    #1
    I'm all for settling it on the court but was Amare Stoudemire right?
    Ray Allen, who sprained his ankle on Bruce, used to say he tries to tangle up the legs of players when they get off the ground. Looking at some clips, that's hard to argue.
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  • Bill Dozer
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    • 07-12-05
    • 10894

    #2
    Takes out Vince Carter's legs on jumper
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    • Willie Bee
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 02-14-06
      • 15726

      #3
      Oh that's horsesh¡t about taking out Vince Carter's legs on that jumper. Here's a thought or two: Call Carter for lowering his shoulder into Bowen before he even takes the jumper, and next time Vince goes up to take a shot, tell him not to throw his legs out and give anyone the opportunity to tangle with them. If Bowen really is dirty, let the players take care of it. Have someone with Phoenix or New Jersey who actually has a set of cojones go out there and bust Bowen good. Oh, that's right, this is the NBA and nothin' but a bunch of crybaby gangsta' wannabes.
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      • bigboydan
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 08-10-05
        • 55420

        #4
        Your crazy Willie. Thats the way the game is played. He just has to suck it up and keep playing aggressive.
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        • Bill Dozer
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          • 07-12-05
          • 10894

          #5
          Oh, that's right, this is the NBA and nothin' but a bunch of crybaby gangsta' wannabes.
          Well, you are in the NBA forum...

          If Bowen really is dirty, let the players take care of it. Have someone with Phoenix or New Jersey who actually has a set of cojones go out there and bust Bowen good.
          Like I said, settle it on the court but this isn't the blacktop where you get taken out for this. Watch the first clip too, and here is another of the Suns/Spurs incident.

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          • Willie Bee
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            • 02-14-06
            • 15726

            #6
            Originally posted by Bill Dozer
            Well, you are in the NBA forum...
            Should I have responded in the Baseball Forum?
            Your crazy Willie. Thats the way the game is played. He just has to suck it up and keep playing aggressive.
            You might be right, the bit about me being crazy. But I've got no clue what the rest of your post means.
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            • The Prick
              SBR MVP
              • 08-31-05
              • 4965

              #7
              keep on playin' CSI with the YouTube vids, Dozer....it ain't gonna get you off the hook for my +125 on the series. want some more?
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              • Bill Dozer
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                • 07-12-05
                • 10894

                #8
                Let's double it. Bad guys never win.
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                • AC1318
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 10-09-06
                  • 6712

                  #9
                  that last clip was pretty good

                  I give bowen an "A" for effort to help his team win although it looks like he is a cheatin bastard.




                  Someone will punch the shit out of him sooner or later, carter came close.
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                  • Willie Bee
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 02-14-06
                    • 15726

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bill Dozer
                    Bad guys never win.
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                    • Dark Horse
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 12-14-05
                      • 13764

                      #11
                      NBA players are a fraternity. For players to step outside of that fraternity and openly criticize a brother takes some serious sh*t. Amare, Ray Allen, and Vince Carter are not making this up. Bowen is a total asshole who specializes in making jumping players land so that they twist their ankle. This has been known for a long time, but the NBA continues to look the other way. One way or another, he's got it coming.
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                      • The Prick
                        SBR MVP
                        • 08-31-05
                        • 4965

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Dark Horse
                        NBA players are a fraternity. For players to step outside of that fraternity and openly criticize a brother takes some serious sh*t. Amare, Ray Allen, and Vince Carter are not making this up. Bowen is a total asshole who specializes in making jumping players land so that they twist their ankle. This has been known for a long time, but the NBA continues to look the other way. One way or another, he's got it coming.

                        yeah, that's why the head coaches keep voting this guy to the NBA All Defense Team.....disgraceful! Bruce got more rings than those three whiney little girls put together will ever have.
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                        • Dark Horse
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                          • 12-14-05
                          • 13764

                          #13
                          Nobody is saying he's a bad defensive player.

                          What people are saying is that Bruce is a mean SOB who purposefully tries to hurt opponents.

                          Two different things.


                          (It would probably take a Spurs fan to take Bowen's side in this).
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                          • gridironguy
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 04-17-07
                            • 575

                            #14
                            Bruce Bowen is an avg player out of Cal-State Fullerton. When he was at CSUF, a guy on UCI broke his nose in a fight because Bowen tried some dirty shit. When you're avg, you have to resort to these kinds of tactics to have a job in the league. I'm surprised it took this long for ppl to figure out that Bowen is dirty.

                            Bill Laimbeer was very dirty too. He used to do the same thing as Bowen, namely put his feet under a guy who was in the air, to try and sprain the guy's ankle when he landed back on the ground.

                            Dirty ass tactic.
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                            • babaoriley
                              SBR MVP
                              • 12-11-06
                              • 2316

                              #15
                              Geez, you guys are making it sound like he's the antichrist. Here's a partial list of players who played "dirty" at times in their careers:
                              Isiah Thomas
                              Larry Bird--Even though it kills me to admit it...
                              Bill Russell--Notorious for pushing in the back...
                              Michael Jordan--tried every trick in the book
                              Dennis Rodman (obviously)
                              Reggie Miller--the king of the push off, also the king of the flop (though the latter isn't really dirty)


                              I could go on and on... Kobe plays dirty when he needs to... Lebron would be better IF he had a nasty streak...

                              The competitive urge of the players listed above is the same thing that compels Bowen to play the way he does. Whether or not it's dirty, it gives him an edge and gets in opposing players' heads.
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                              • Bill Dozer
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                                • 07-12-05
                                • 10894

                                #16
                                I have to disagree. It's one thing to be sneaky, pull shorts, hold, brush the shooting elbow when the man is going up, but Bowen is going to Grant Hill somebody. Jordan could take a hard foul, and seemed to like the sympathy, but if the guy took his legs out, like the time in Detroit, he got fired up.
                                Last edited by Bill Dozer; 05-11-07, 05:02 PM.
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                                • Spanks
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 04-12-07
                                  • 2040

                                  #17
                                  Now ,for That Remark, Bowen Will Make Sure He Puts Amare Down With A Torn Achilles And Might Try And Crack His Neck By Falling On Him.between Nash Getting His Nose Split Open Like A Bagel ,this Series Will Make The Mike Tyson/evander Ear-moshing Incident Look Like A School Play.
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                                  • TheProphet
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 03-15-07
                                    • 264

                                    #18
                                    Bowen isn't really a dirty player when he gets under players like that it isn't to hurt them haven't you ever heard of drawing the offensive foul. It is a freaking smart play he has been All-Defensive team and won enough rings to know this. He gets the respect from MOST of the players Kobe has called him the best defender in the league and as the best player in the league saying that I will agree with Kobe over Amare. When does VC not think he was fouled? As for Ray Allen after you get hurt you always want to lay blame Bowen did make a sneaky and "dirty" play as you put it, but that doesn't make him a mean or dirty player. Tons of plays are dirty and more of the greats where dirty players than people like to think. Besides even if Bowen is dirty how can you call the whole Spurs team dirty I hate Ginobli and his flopping and yes sometimes Bowen undercutting on a jumpshot gets me pissed, but I am not going to bash a whole team for two players who are doing the things that a bunch of the great teams did to win championships.
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                                    • gridironguy
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 04-17-07
                                      • 575

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by TheProphet
                                      Bowen isn't really a dirty player when he gets under players like that it isn't to hurt them haven't you ever heard of drawing the offensive foul.
                                      Offensive foul for having a player who has just completed a jumpshot landing on Bowen's foot? You think he is trying to draw an offensive foul for that? You think referees call that on jumpshooters?

                                      Are you serious?
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                                      • Junkyard Dog
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 03-12-07
                                        • 4552

                                        #20
                                        Yes Bowen must have been trying to draw an offensive foul by kicking Amare in the leg after his dunk . Somebody had one to many last nite .
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                                        • Bill Dozer
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                                          • 07-12-05
                                          • 10894

                                          #21
                                          Ok, how about this one then? Bruce "Lee" Bowen



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                                          Last edited by Bill Dozer; 05-12-07, 10:18 AM.
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                                          • ivanator
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                                            • 05-01-06
                                            • 334

                                            #22


                                            ... just maybe
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                                            • TheProphet
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 03-15-07
                                              • 264

                                              #23
                                              Bill you have posted so many videos, but ivanators video was by far the best of what was somewhat proof if any. If you watch most of those he does turn around and imediately box out on all the jump shot his foot goes under the lgs on some of them others the players are jumping forward and put their foot on his when he turns. I am still not a fan for saying the SPURS are a dirty team though how can a TEAM be dirty for ONE guy. The Kings are a dirty team dang Artest I mean come on you can't call a team dirty due to one guy. The debate of Bowen being a dirty player will go on and on forever it is like all sports debates I will take anything cry babies in the NBA say about another player fouling or trying to hurt someone with a grain of salt. When has Amare not been fouled going to the hoop or Ginobli they are pathetic. Yet lets not call the offensive foul when Amare lowers his shoulders and plows people over or lets suspend Kobe for hitting Manu when how many players has a Ginobli flop going to the lane hurt? Yes every player is guilty of stupid fouls all the time that hurt each other its a part of the game its a freaking contact sport I played D-1 ball and people throw elbows sometimes you get caugh with a high pick in the face or a arm to the face on a drive. We didn't cry about it or go to the media like the cry baby NBA players who can give out hard fouls all day, but can't take one. Thats why there are fights in the NBA to many people have the guts to give a hit just not take one.
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                                              • Bill Dozer
                                                www.twitter.com/BillDozer
                                                • 07-12-05
                                                • 10894

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by TheProphet
                                                Bill you have posted so many videos, but ivanators video was by far the best of what was somewhat proof if any. If you watch most of those he does turn around and imediately box out on all the jump shot his foot goes under the lgs on some of them others the players are jumping forward and put their foot on his when he turns. I am still not a fan for saying the SPURS are a dirty team though how can a TEAM be dirty for ONE guy. The Kings are a dirty team dang Artest I mean come on you can't call a team dirty due to one guy. The debate of Bowen being a dirty player will go on and on forever it is like all sports debates I will take anything cry babies in the NBA say about another player fouling or trying to hurt someone with a grain of salt. When has Amare not been fouled going to the hoop or Ginobli they are pathetic. Yet lets not call the offensive foul when Amare lowers his shoulders and plows people over or lets suspend Kobe for hitting Manu when how many players has a Ginobli flop going to the lane hurt? Yes every player is guilty of stupid fouls all the time that hurt each other its a part of the game its a freaking contact sport I played D-1 ball and people throw elbows sometimes you get caugh with a high pick in the face or a arm to the face on a drive. We didn't cry about it or go to the media like the cry baby NBA players who can give out hard fouls all day, but can't take one. Thats why there are fights in the NBA to many people have the guts to give a hit just not take one.
                                                Good point about the whole team not being dirty. I think you are right that the Spurs as a whole aren't thugs. But, one could argue they are for backing him up. Everytime someone gets tripped by him they all have that "who-me?" wide-eyed mouth-open face with the shoulders up and hands out. Saint Timothy as well.

                                                Nothing wrong with popping someone in the lane. Even Malone-to-Isaiah style, but taking out the feet is career ending stuff.
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                                                • isetcap
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 12-16-05
                                                  • 4006

                                                  #25
                                                  It is blatantly obvious that Bowen is not doing these things on purpose. He plays for the beloved Spurs and if you're a NBA representative, you understand that the Spurs NEVER do anything wrong. If you challenge that, such as ejecting Duncan for continuously laughing at your officiating, then you will find yourself out of the NBA.

                                                  Simply pay attention to the quizzical look on the face of Bowen everytime he angers all these "gangsta" basketball players (such as Gangsta Ray Allen), and you should be able to understand that he's just playing "hardnose defense". I think all of you are really being quite insensitive to the legitimate medical condition that Bruce Bowen has. Apparently I am the only one to have made this correct diagnosis but here is the link...Poor Bruce
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                                                  • Bill Dozer
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                                                    • 07-12-05
                                                    • 10894

                                                    #26
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                                                    • Spanks
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 04-12-07
                                                      • 2040

                                                      #27
                                                      Wgas
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                                                      • isetcap
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 12-16-05
                                                        • 4006

                                                        #28
                                                        You won't be seeing Robert Horry in Game 5, but it's cool...all those Spurs play good clean basketball. A real joy to watch the game played the way it's supposed to be played.
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