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  • Coopertrooper
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 02-20-12
    • 925

    #36
    Great stuff. I saw that your wingard bet had already moved the market a lot, particularly with luxbet, so the value is gone, but that was fantastic value to find
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    • MiddleMan
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 05-26-13
      • 673

      #37
      Yep. Unfortunately the odds move very quickly on Luxbet.

      I've needed three accounts over the past twelve months. They just keep getting capped.

      Usually my bets are restricted to $50 and the odds move plenty when they are only partially accepted. Whether you think it's right or wrong, it's business and their terms and conditions state they reserve the right to cancel/decline/partially accept bets. I wouldn't say they're my favourite book, but I do use them to take advantage of these types of middling opportunities.
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      • OZnBa Fan
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 05-24-12
        • 697

        #38
        I'm the same with luxbet mate, if I go to put a 100$ on a prop bet they usually only except $50 and then the line moves...

        Do u just open another account under somebody else name?
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        • MiddleMan
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 05-26-13
          • 673

          #39
          $90 on Carlton @ $3.15 w Sportsbet ($283.50 return)
          $100 on Sydney @ $1.38 w Centrebet ($138 return)
          $50 on Sydney @ $1.37 w Bookmaker and $50 on Sydney @ $1.37 w Ladbrokes ($137 return)
          $290 spent


          If Sydney wins by more than 18 pts = $15 loss
          If Sydney wins by 1-18 points = $75 profit
          If Carlton wins by more than 20 pts and are leading at Half Time = $6.50 loss
          If Carlton wins by more than 20 pts and are trailing at Half Time = $93.50 profit
          If Carlton wins by 1-20 pts and are leading at Half Time = $93.50 profit
          If Carlton wins by 1-20 pts and are trailing at Half Time = $193.50 profit

          $90.90 on Cowboys at $2.10 w Sportsbet ($190.90 return)
          $60 on Sharks at $1.77 w Centrebet ($106.20 return)
          $50 on Sharks at $1.77 w Bookmaker ($88.50 return)

          If Cowboys win and are leading at HT and Sharks don't score 3+ tries = $10 loss
          If Cowboys win and are trailing at HT and Sharks don't score 3+ tries = $50 profit
          If Cowboys win and are leading at HT and Sharks score 3+ tries = $40 profit
          If Cowboys win and are trailing at HT and Sharks score 3+ tries = $100 profit
          If Sharks win by more than ten points = $6.20 loss
          If Sharks win by 1-10 points = $84.70 profit
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          • MiddleMan
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 05-26-13
            • 673

            #40
            $76.92 Manly win @ $2.30 w Sportsbet (return $176.92)
            $53 on Sydney @ $1.67 w Centrebet, $50 on Sydney @ $1.67 w Ladbrokes, $5 on Sydney @ $1.67 w Bookmaker ($180.36 return)
            $184.92 spent

            If Eagles win and are leading at HT and Roosters don't score 3+ tries = $8 loss
            If Eagles win and are trailing at HT and Sharks don't score 3+ tries = $45 profit
            If Eagles win and are leading at HT and Sharks score 3+ tries = $47 profit
            If Eagles win and are trailing at HT and Sharks score 3+ tries = $100 profit
            If Roosters win by more than ten points = $4.56 loss
            If Roosters win by 1-10 points = $72.36 profit
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            • MiddleMan
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 05-26-13
              • 673

              #41
              A few NFL middles for today.

              Carson Palmer Passing YardsPick: Under 240.5 and Over 215.5
              Agencies: Sportsbet and Centrebet
              Odds: $1.88 and $1.95
              Stake: 4 and 4


              Ben Roethlisberger Passing Yards
              Pick: Over 255.5 and Under 277.5
              Agencies: Centrebet and Sportsbet
              Odds: $1.87 and $1.88
              Stake: 3 and 3


              Russell Wilson Passing Yards
              Pick: Over 197.5 and Under 215.5
              Agencies: Sportsbet and Centrebet
              Odds: $1.88 and $2.10
              Stake: 4 and 3.6


              Matthew Stafford Passing Yards
              Pick: Under 289.5 and Over 265.5
              Agencies: Sportsbet and Centrebet
              Odds: $1.88 and $1.91
              Stake: 4 and 4
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              • aussieH
                SBR MVP
                • 02-04-11
                • 1188

                #42
                How did you go
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                • MiddleMan
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 05-26-13
                  • 673

                  #43
                  Big Ben hit, so I won around five units overall.
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                  • MiddleMan
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 05-26-13
                    • 673

                    #44
                    NFL Middle:

                    Mike Williams Receiving Yards
                    Under 48.5 @ $1.86 w Bet365
                    Over 35.5 @ $1.87 w Luxbet
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                    • MiddleMan
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 05-26-13
                      • 673

                      #45
                      NBA Season Middles.

                      Denver Total wins

                      Under 47.5 @ $1.90 w TAB
                      Over 45.5 @ $1.98 w Topsport

                      Milwaukee Total wins
                      Under 30.5 @ $2 w TAB
                      Over 28.5 @ $1.85 w Topsport

                      Phoenix Total wins
                      Under 21.5 @ $1.85 w TAB (this was $2.05 but market was suspended)
                      Over 19.5 @ $2.20 w Centrebet

                      LA Clippers Total wins
                      Under 57.5 @ $2.15 w TAB
                      Over 57.0 @ $1.93 w Betstar

                      Orlando Total wins
                      Over 24.0 @ $2.05 w Betstar
                      Under 24.5 @ $2.00 w TAB
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                      • OZnBa Fan
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 05-24-12
                        • 697

                        #46
                        Originally posted by MiddleMan
                        NBA Season Middles.

                        Denver Total wins

                        Under 47.5 @ $1.90 w TAB
                        Over 45.5 @ $1.98 w Topsport

                        Milwaukee Total wins
                        Under 30.5 @ $2 w TAB
                        Over 28.5 @ $1.85 w Topsport

                        Phoenix Total wins
                        Under 21.5 @ $1.85 w TAB (this was $2.05 but market was suspended)
                        Over 19.5 @ $2.20 w Centrebet

                        LA Clippers Total wins
                        Under 57.5 @ $2.15 w TAB
                        Over 57.0 @ $1.93 w Betstar

                        Orlando Total wins
                        Over 24.0 @ $2.05 w Betstar
                        Under 24.5 @ $2.00 w TAB
                        nice man, I sent ya an inbox bro
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                        • micase
                          SBR High Roller
                          • 01-21-13
                          • 157

                          #47
                          One that I have spotted

                          Derrick Rose Total Points vs Miami
                          Over 22.5 $1.91 Centrebet
                          Under 24.5 $1.97 Sportsbet

                          He hits 23,24 roughly once every 10 games
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                          • aussieH
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-04-11
                            • 1188

                            #48
                            Middleman. Not sure about the last two bets only .5 between each selection. Tab seemed to have a few games that were 2games out to sportsbet.
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                            • micase
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 01-21-13
                              • 157

                              #49
                              Originally posted by aussieH
                              Middleman. Not sure about the last two bets only .5 between each selection. Tab seemed to have a few games that were 2games out to sportsbet.
                              You are arbing with those odds as well though so the half a game is just a bonus I guess, I haven't checked what other books are offering so I couldn't say whether or not you can do better or not.
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                              • MiddleMan
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 05-26-13
                                • 673

                                #50
                                Fair point, Aussie.

                                Brook Lopez under 19.5 @ $2.05 with Luxbet
                                Brook Lopez over 17.5 points @ $1.83 with Bet365
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                                • micase
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 01-21-13
                                  • 157

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by MiddleMan
                                  Fair point, Aussie.

                                  Brook Lopez under 19.5 @ $2.05 with Luxbet
                                  Brook Lopez over 17.5 points @ $1.83 with Bet365
                                  He's under 21.5 at TAB. Couldn't believe that, he hits 18,19,20,21 20+% of the time
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                                  • MiddleMan
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 05-26-13
                                    • 673

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by micase
                                    He's under 21.5 at TAB. Couldn't believe that, he hits 18,19,20,21 20+% of the time
                                    Nicely done.

                                    Here's a decent WTA Middle.

                                    Event: Simona Halep v Elina Svitolina
                                    Market: Total Games Played
                                    Pick: Over 17.5 and Under 18.5
                                    Odds: $1.97 and $1.91
                                    Agencies: Pinnacle and Sportsbet
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                                    • micase
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 01-21-13
                                      • 157

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by MiddleMan
                                      Nicely done.

                                      Here's a decent WTA Middle.

                                      Event: Simona Halep v Elina Svitolina
                                      Market: Total Games Played
                                      Pick: Over 17.5 and Under 18.5
                                      Odds: $1.97 and $1.91
                                      Agencies: Pinnacle and Sportsbet
                                      Cheers mate, I also hit Oladipo to get exactly 14 points. He bricked a few shots in OT to remain on 14 at the end. Will keep posting in here if I find anything and we can make some money.
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                                      • aussieH
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 02-04-11
                                        • 1188

                                        #54
                                        Hey guys not really my kind of betting but I enjoy the thread and possible opportunity. Will let you know if I see any plays.
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                                        • micase
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 01-21-13
                                          • 157

                                          #55
                                          Arron Afflalo NO vs Orlando
                                          U18.5 1.87 Sports Bet
                                          O16.5 1.9 Tab
                                          Not that good but should still be profitable

                                          Evan Turner Philly vs Washington
                                          U18.5 1.87 Sportsbet
                                          O13.5 1.9 Tab
                                          He hits this roughly 20% of the time, big play.

                                          Looks like TAB has limited me after 2 days. I can't even get on the Evan Turner bet.
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                                          • micase
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 01-21-13
                                            • 157

                                            #56
                                            One more decent one to come

                                            Jeff Green U21.5 1.87 Sportsbet
                                            O17.5 1.9 TAB
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                                            • micase
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 01-21-13
                                              • 157

                                              #57
                                              Here are some NFL player performance middles I've found for this early morning action. I have done past stats checks on all the players and these were the most profitable plays I could find. I'm not hugely experienced with this betting so I wanted to make sure I had a large edge before proceeding.

                                              I have played the Charles, Romo, Witten, Colstan and Brady plays for a little less than the others.


                                              Kansas City vs Buffalo

                                              Alex Smith passing Loss
                                              U240.5 yards $1.88 Betstar
                                              O222.5 yards $1.87 Centrebet

                                              Jamal Charles rushing Loss (2 yards over)
                                              U88.5 yards $1.87 Centrebet
                                              O81.5 yards $1.87 Sportsbet

                                              Dallas vs Minnesota
                                              Tony Romo passing Loss
                                              U305.5 yards $1.87 Centrebet
                                              O277.5 yards $1.85 Betstar

                                              Jason Witten receiving Loss
                                              U73.5 yards $1.87 Sportsbet
                                              O58.5 yards $1.8 Bet365

                                              New Orleans vs NYJ

                                              Geno Smith passing
                                              LossU245.5 yards $1.87 Sportsbet
                                              O218.5 yards $1.87 Centrebet

                                              Marques Colstan receiving did not play
                                              U70.5 yards $1.80 Sportsbet
                                              O55.5 yards $1.9 bet365

                                              Philadelphia vs Oakland

                                              Terrelle Pryor passing
                                              LossU226.5 yards $1.87 Sportsbet
                                              O208.5 yards $1.88 betstar

                                              Tampa Bay vs Seattle

                                              Russell Wilson passing WINNER!!
                                              U225.5 yards $1.87 Centrebet
                                              O203.5 yards $1.87 Sportsbet

                                              New England vs Pittsburgh

                                              Tom Brady passing LossU265.6 $1.87 Centrebet
                                              O240.5 $1.83 Bet365


                                              Lets win some cash
                                              Last edited by micase; 11-03-13, 07:28 PM.
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                                              • micase
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 01-21-13
                                                • 157

                                                #58
                                                Atlanta vs LA Lakers

                                                Al Horford Points
                                                U18.5 $1.85 TAB
                                                O15.5 $1.77 Sportsbet

                                                He hits 16,17,18 at around a 20% clip.

                                                Adding

                                                Nick Young Points
                                                U12.5 $1.87 Sportsbet
                                                O11.5 $2.20 Bet365

                                                Guarenteed return of 1% of your optimal stake + the 12 point middle.
                                                Last edited by micase; 11-03-13, 09:11 PM.
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                                                • micase
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 01-21-13
                                                  • 157

                                                  #59
                                                  Mike Conley Points

                                                  U20.5 $1.87 Sportsbet
                                                  O17.5 $1.83 Bet365

                                                  Hits this mark ~15-20% of the time over the past two seasons

                                                  Nowitzki points

                                                  U23.5 $1.90 TAB
                                                  O20.5 $1.95 Centrebet

                                                  Monta Ellis
                                                  U23.5 $1.87 Sportsbet
                                                  O20.5 $1.90 TAB

                                                  Roy Hibbert
                                                  U10.5 $1.90 TAB
                                                  O9.5 $1.87 Sportsbet

                                                  All are decent hit at 10%+ plays.
                                                  Last edited by micase; 11-09-13, 07:16 PM.
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                                                  • micase
                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                    • 01-21-13
                                                    • 157

                                                    #60
                                                    Well looks like Mike Conley hit 20 points to return 11.4 units for every unit risked, the Roy Hibbert middle only missed by one rebound as well.

                                                    Any interest in the plays I've found for the NFL action tomorrow? I have about 7 I've found for passing/rushing that look good-excellent, let me know if you want me to type them up
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                                                    • MiddleMan
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 05-26-13
                                                      • 673

                                                      #61
                                                      Good stuff, Micase. Feel free to keep them coming.

                                                      Did the TAB really limit you, or was it a glitch? I haven't know the TAB to limit people. What's stopping you from placing bets in outlets, anyway?
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                                                      • micase
                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                        • 01-21-13
                                                        • 157

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by MiddleMan
                                                        Good stuff, Micase. Feel free to keep them coming.

                                                        Did the TAB really limit you, or was it a glitch? I haven't know the TAB to limit people. What's stopping you from placing bets in outlets, anyway?
                                                        They limited me to 30 dollars at the odds I wanted, then at $1.85 they limited me to a 50 dollar bet, then they dropped the odds to 1.65, all in the space of 15 minutes.
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                                                        • MiddleMan
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 05-26-13
                                                          • 673

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by micase
                                                          They limited me to 30 dollars at the odds I wanted, then at $1.85 they limited me to a 50 dollar bet, then they dropped the odds to 1.65, all in the space of 15 minutes.
                                                          They have been known to do that from time to time. I doubt it's an issue with your account, but please let me know if you continue to have problems placing bets with TAB. I might have to be a bit more careful if they start limiting accounts. As I said, you can always place bets in an outlet, but it's more annoying due to the inconvenience.
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                                                          • MiddleMan
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 05-26-13
                                                            • 673

                                                            #64
                                                            Blake Griffen over 10.5 rebounds @ $2.10 w Bet365
                                                            Blake Griffen under 11.0 rebounds @ $1.87 w Lux

                                                            Derrick Rose over 17.0 points @ $1.96 w Sportsbet
                                                            Derrick Rose under 17.5 points @ $2 w TAB
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                                                            • micase
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 01-21-13
                                                              • 157

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by MiddleMan
                                                              Blake Griffen over 10.5 rebounds @ $2.10 w Bet365
                                                              Blake Griffen under 11.0 rebounds @ $1.87 w Lux

                                                              Derrick Rose over 17.0 points @ $1.96 w Sportsbet
                                                              Derrick Rose under 17.5 points @ $2 w TAB
                                                              Good to have you back Middleman, there isn't the man love that plagues Sando's thread but we'll get there. I have been finding without much difficulty 15-20 NBA/NFL player props every week and when you're regularly getting 17-1 (or more) odds on the money your risking I'm surprised there isn't more interest (easy money in my oppinion.)

                                                              The books I've been using are Bet365, Betvictor, TAB, Luxbet, Centrebet, Sportsbet, Betstar (for NFL), any that I'm missing? They usually follow one another but you do get the odd numbers that make us the money.
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                                                              • thecattery12
                                                                SBR Hustler
                                                                • 03-06-12
                                                                • 84

                                                                #66
                                                                Beware, if you are winning consistently on player props bookies will eventually limit you. Can't even play middles at Luxbet and Sportsbet any more as they've limited me to peanuts.
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                                                                • MiddleMan
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 05-26-13
                                                                  • 673

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Yeah, I have been limited with Sportsbet (three accounts), Luxbet (three), Bet365 (two) and Centrebet (one limited and the other shut down). Goes to show you how good Betstar is not to shut clients down. It makes it hard to sustain it in the long term they limit you.
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                                                                  • micase
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 01-21-13
                                                                    • 157

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by thecattery12
                                                                    Beware, if you are winning consistently on player props bookies will eventually limit you. Can't even play middles at Luxbet and Sportsbet any more as they've limited me to peanuts.
                                                                    Don't worry, I have plenty of mates that would like to wager a bit more on player props. Although being hopeful that I do continue winning at these bets, how does Luxbet and Sportsbet go about limiting you? Sportsbet seems straight forward as you can see the max bet by hovering your mouse above the info button of the wager, Luxbet does not seem as simple (more bets seems to go to traders and take a little longer)
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                                                                    • thecattery12
                                                                      SBR Hustler
                                                                      • 03-06-12
                                                                      • 84

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by micase
                                                                      Don't worry, I have plenty of mates that would like to wager a bit more on player props. Although being hopeful that I do continue winning at these bets, how does Luxbet and Sportsbet go about limiting you? Sportsbet seems straight forward as you can see the max bet by hovering your mouse above the info button of the wager, Luxbet does not seem as simple (more bets seems to go to traders and take a little longer)
                                                                      Yeh, Sportsbet will cut your max bet to about 5% of your original max and Luxbet will refer every single bet you make to the trader.
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                                                                      • MiddleMan
                                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                                        • 05-26-13
                                                                        • 673

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Luxbet is ****** like that. Their reasoning is they have a low risk policy on exotic markets such as player props. Well then how come when I have signed up in my mate's and dad's account, larger bets are accepted without being processed? It's only after a few weeks that their accounts have also been red flagged and every bet made now goes through for processing.

                                                                        Tom Waterhouse is the same.
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