belmont///NEHRO!!!

**str** · 06-03-11, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by ncat12

will Nehro pull out the greatest but whipping at the Belmont , well since you know who, please correct me if you see things differently but I can not see any of these horses giving this monster a go, it is 1mile -n 3/8 correct? , will there be an owner/trainer to enter a 1 and 1a horse's to try and discourage him?

It's a mile and a 1/2.
Why would an entry bother the horse?

**JakeLc** · 06-03-11, 10:36 AM

Nehro is going to win by more than Point Given did?

**str** · 06-03-11, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by JakeLc

Nehro is going to win by more than Point Given did?

And Secretariat?

**Seattle Slew** · 06-04-11, 11:39 PM

Will be tough but don't see much value, likely 3-1 or so?

**mikeyg** · 06-05-11, 09:46 AM

Any higher than 3-1 would be decent value i think.

**Dark Horse** · 06-05-11, 12:50 PM

str, do you think Shackleford will hold up here or run out of gas?

**Brewers in 7** · 06-05-11, 12:53 PM

Nehro going to be overbet i think, i loved him in the Derby and had a great trip but had nothing for Animal Kingdom, could be the same scenario in the Belmont

**BGboothA** · 06-05-11, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

str, do you think Shackleford will hold up here or run out of gas?

There is no way Shack holds on here, not with Animal Kingdom, Nehro, Mucho Mucho and Master of Hounds. there is just too many waiting to catch him.

**str** · 06-05-11, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

str, do you think Shackleford will hold up here or run out of gas?

Being as pace makes the race and has since the beginning of time, I would wait until the draw and see exactly how the race figures to shape up before making a prediction.

**foryourhandicap** · 06-05-11, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by mikeyg

Any higher than 3-1 would be decent value i think.

I'd definitely want higher than 3-1.

**ATP123** · 06-05-11, 04:57 PM

Nakatani was a dumbass in the derby, he will make amends here, no way will he be within 5 lengths of the lead throughout here, cruise turning for home, extra 5 weeks off will be huge against the kingdom

**Thunder Gulch** · 06-06-11, 10:27 AM

Shackleford is going to get a soft pace, but I do question going on.

The rest makes Nehro the choice in my mind, but I do not think this is a good betting race. The 3 favorites figure to be tough to beat.

**josicoyote** · 06-06-11, 11:01 AM

Animal kingdom is getting ready, workout this morning 1/32.

**wtt0315** · 06-06-11, 11:42 AM

i am rolling with master of hounds i should get 7-1 8-1

**ncat12** · 06-06-11, 11:52 AM

3-1 will suck...even w/ any kind of exacta(more than likely)will not pay much,totaly agree with the one poster who mention the 5weeks off to prep for just this race (if not mistaken)....along w/ the other poster that mention the pace...one of the reasons I ask if a trainer/owner will put a coupled horse(1 1a) in the race to mess with the pace

**str** · 06-06-11, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by ncat12

3-1 will suck...even w/ any kind of exacta(more than likely)will not pay much,totaly agree with the one poster who mention the 5weeks off to prep for just this race (if not mistaken)....along w/ the other poster that mention the pace...one of the reasons I ask if a trainer/owner will put a coupled horse(1 1a) in the race to mess with the pace

A "rabbit" half of an entry is an option that trainers use from time to time.
Very true.

**BGboothA** · 06-06-11, 11:21 PM

Not sure who has the 'rabbit' to mess with the pace....I don't think a rabbit is needed. Shackleford could be that 'rabbit' the pace is going to be quick, and it will close with Nehro, AK, Mucho Mucho or Master.

**Seattle Slew** · 06-06-11, 11:50 PM

Usually look for a new shooter, but not sure anyone is good enough.

Originally posted by Thunder Gulch

Shackleford is going to get a soft pace, but I do question going on.

The rest makes Nehro the choice in my mind, but I do not think this is a good betting race. The 3 favorites figure to be tough to beat.

**ncat12** · 06-07-11, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Seattle Slew

Usually look for a new shooter, but not sure anyone is good enough.

EXACTLY ...I did not follow these 3 yr olds much, one of the reason I do not know who is out there (rabbit wise) ...although the "ego's" or trainers are always there year in year out

**joeyp1222** · 06-07-11, 09:24 AM

i have a strong feeling, animal might scratch out of the belmont so they can rest him a little more so he can run in the travers in saratoga where he can do alot of damage
with that in thought, i think mucho macho man might rebound and take the belmont with nehro 2nd

(my exacta play if ak does not run)

any thoughts on this?

**freddues** · 06-07-11, 10:57 AM

What is your best long shot horse?

I remember AK winning the K at 20-1?!

**Thunder Gulch** · 06-07-11, 11:16 AM

Santiva is usable and will be long.

**gtkid911** · 06-07-11, 12:47 PM

Im sure AK will run as he is training fine and the distance will definitiely be in his favor

**TonyP** · 06-07-11, 01:13 PM

Nehro will proly be bet down and personaly will not take the short price on a horse I think will flatten might use deep. I will construct more then 1 wager in this. for a price horse am hoping not to many on santiva and will also use master of hounds, will give the new shooters a look,

**mrginandtonic** · 06-07-11, 02:00 PM

Although I don't hv a good solid choice yet, but I do like Master of Hounds as a long shot. Aidan O'Brien is no joke, he is a very respectable trainer and my memory serves me correctly, he had a runner in the derby before which didnt work out and was sent back home after the Derby. This time MH is sticking around for the Belmont which I think is encouraging.

**zou1222** · 06-07-11, 02:14 PM

Only thing that scares me about MOH is all this traveling - I know he is well traveled but the back and forth has to wear on him a little.

Will definitely use him though as I see Gomez sitting closer to the pace this time around since there won't be much of it... and MOH did that very well in the UAE Derby.

**homerbush** · 06-07-11, 03:30 PM

MOH same sire as Lemo Drop Kid and ran an indentical derby to Lemon Drop Kid and Lemon Drop Kid won the Belmont. Just sayimg.

**mrginandtonic** · 06-07-11, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by homerbush

MOH same sire as Lemo Drop Kid and ran an indentical derby to Lemon Drop Kid and Lemon Drop Kid won the Belmont. Just sayimg.

Yes, I remember that race very well cuz I hit that trifecta (Lemon Drop Kid/Vision and Verse/Charismatic) and it paid over $2K for $1 trifecta box (due to Charismatic broke down near the wire).

**TonyP** · 06-07-11, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by mrginandtonic

Yes, I remember that race very well cuz I hit that trifecta (Lemon Drop Kid/Vision and Verse/Charismatic) and it paid over $2K for $1 trifecta box (due to Charismatic broke down near the wire).

I hated that charismatic broke down

**Gremlin Lad** · 06-07-11, 06:53 PM

You guys looking at bloodlines and horse's pedigre also better be looking at Stay Thirsty.......and his new jockey.

**Gremlin Lad** · 06-07-11, 07:08 PM

IMO ...being tomorrow (Wednesday 6/8) is the Post Position draw, and the weather forecast will now play a major role in the race, I am looking at an upsetter........If Animal Kingdom does race, there connections will be focused on the horse that beat them to the wire in the Preakness..Shackleford.

1 1/2 mile race, post draw really doesnot matter, it is the trip and decisions made by the jockeys during the race that counts.

You now have a jockey switch on two entries. Stay Thirsty and Mucho Macho Man. Both of these jockeys are are on top of the jockey standings at Belmont's current meet. They know the track very well....Both horses are a must use.

Animal Kingdom with John V. has to race the race of his life to date in order to win and personnally I think Graham Motion is worried about the horse faultering.....But the Owners want to have him race....

Shackleford will get a very strong mile or mile and a furlong and start to shorten strides.

Mucho Macho Man is still a "two year old" until after June 14th. This boy is learning what it is all about and he is a big horse that needs a Big Track to race. Belmont fits him to a T.

So Saturday, lets see who leaves, who pushes the pace and who stalks....Muddy track will alter Animal Kingdom's race style from the commits made after the Preakness.

And BELMONT STAKES WEEK STARTS.

**homerbush** · 06-07-11, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by mrginandtonic

Yes, I remember that race very well cuz I hit that trifecta (Lemon Drop Kid/Vision and Verse/Charismatic) and it paid over $2K for $1 trifecta box (due to Charismatic broke down near the wire).

Yep big exotic payouts that day. Might be some on Saturday of course without a triple crown at stake you will never get the pools quite as skewed as you would for a triple crown when people are dumping sentimental money instead of brain money.

**homerbush** · 06-07-11, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by ncat12

will Nehro pull out the greatest but whipping at the Belmont , well since you know who, please correct me if you see things differently but I can not see any of these horses giving this monster a go, it is 1mile -n 3/8 correct? , will there be an owner/trainer to enter a 1 and 1a horse's to try and discourage him?

You should avoid horse racing between the fact you don't know the length of Belmont and the fact triple crown races do not have coupled betting interests anymore.

**ncat12** · 06-08-11, 09:03 AM

well said.....although it all does not matter til the day of when we all get the program and have all the info in front of us ,no need to rely on memory or lack there of once I receive the program / DRF...and then make selections accordingly....as you pointed out to avoid horse racing because of lack of knowledge on 2 parts, for ONE RACE, or I will even give ya 3 for the whole triple crown ...triple crown does refer to three races? (sarcastic for you unusally slow ones)...but to give up on the whole sport because I was wrong about 2 TWO things , well is pretty homerbush or just plain idiotic