Horse Racing questions and answers

[Easy-Rider 66]

i think we can officially put the apollo curse on the back burner. Not so much because three starts is enough. It's most likely not. But the most seasoned rivals have run about six times. It's not like they have run 8-10 times by now. Doesn't seem like a big difference between 6 and 8 - 10 but it usually is.

As for why kingsbarns faded. Simply put , he burned waay too much energy very early. Didn't relax at all until he was on the backside. That's 5/8ths or 3/4's of a mile at a full burn. In my mind, it was ridiculous. He was a beaten horse when he went into the first turn ez.
He did well to hang around as long as he did imo.

thx str

[str]

with that extremely fast pace kb was only 1.5L off @ the ¼ pole and 6.5L @ the stretch call ..I calculated him getting 1 1/8
within a few ticks either way of 1:50..I think this was a solid effort under the circumstances..he will probably miss the preakness and be fresh and ready for the belmont..think he'll be a force to be reckoned with 2nd half of the year

I made the mistake of watching the Derby on NBC. What a clown show that is. They show the break from a half mile away and don't even try to zoom in. Pathetic.

I had to go back and watch a track replay this morning. What I thought I had seen originally, was indeed what I saw but it sure was a night and day difference.

When the rider threw the reins at KB after about 3-4 jumps, the horse kind of took off. And I get it, being down inside he felt I'm sure that all those outside of him would have come over and slammed him into the 1st turn.

So then the horse started running hard very early.

I guess the best way to put it is, It's not how fast you run, it's how you run fast. In this case, the horse got excited, quite excited, when in between horses going by the wire the first time. All the noise generated I assume, had a hand in that. Maybe not but probably.

He looked like he settled somewhat as he went down the backside but that's a ton of energy to burn in the first half- three quarters. And as you know, they were flying.

All in all, I think he gave a nice effort. He probably learned a bunch from it. But it was tough to watch.

Thanks JBEX.

[JBEX]

I made the mistake of watching the Derby on NBC. What a clown show that is. They show the break from a half mile away and don't even try to zoom in. Pathetic.

I had to go back and watch a track replay this morning. What I thought I had seen originally, was indeed what I saw but it sure was a night and day difference.

When the rider threw the reins at KB after about 3-4 jumps, the horse kind of took off. And I get it, being down inside he felt I'm sure that all those outside of him would have come over and slammed him into the 1st turn.

So then the horse started running hard very early.

I guess the best way to put it is, It's not how fast you run, it's how you run fast. In this case, the horse got excited, quite excited, when in between horses going by the wire the first time. All the noise generated I assume, had a hand in that. Maybe not but probably.

He looked like he settled somewhat as he went down the backside but that's a ton of energy to burn in the first half- three quarters. And as you know, they were flying.

All in all, I think he gave a nice effort. He probably learned a bunch from it. But it was tough to watch.

Thanks JBEX.

no problem str

from the 2 easy spots he came out of and thrown into the fire is quite a difference to say the least..realize i picked him but didn't think he'd be involved in a fierce pace duel and possibly settle in behind the leaders


agree it was a great education and I believe in a normal size field he will be a solid horse..todd has a great record in the belmont and think if he goes will put in a nice effort..no better place for proven bloodlines then in a race like the belmont stakes

[JBEX]

no problem str

from the 2 easy spots he came out of and thrown into the fire is quite a difference to say the least..realize i picked him but didn't think he'd be involved in a fierce pace duel and possibly settle in behind the leaders


agree it was a great education and I believe in a normal size field he will be a solid horse..todd has a great record in the belmont and think if he goes will put in a nice effort..no better place for proven bloodlines then in a race like the belmont stakes

mean as a stallion

[JBEX]

hey str

nothing to do with getting experience in the derby but do you think running how kb ran in this race will provide a fitness foundation to move forward in the belmont .. (assuming he chooses that path)..over the course of 5 weeks maybe 3-4 of them for recovery and by the time the belmont comes along it's actually beneficial that he ran in the derby ?

[str]

hey str

nothing to do with getting experience in the derby but do you think running how kb ran in this race will provide a fitness foundation to move forward in the belmont .. (assuming he chooses that path)..over the course of 5 weeks maybe 3-4 of them for recovery and by the time the belmont comes along it's actually beneficial that he ran in the derby ?

It most certainly will. That was about the only thing that race was any good for. That and experience, albeit a bad one.

This has a chance to be exactly what Palace Malice did. Take a look at his Derby and Belmont races on equibase.

Todd trained Palace Malice as well.

Deja Vu all over again?? Haha

[JBEX]

It most certainly will. That was about the only thing that race was any good for. That and experience, albeit a bad one.

This has a chance to be exactly what Palace Malice did. Take a look at his Derby and Belmont races on equibase.

Todd trained Palace Malice as well.

Deja Vu all over again?? Haha

could be yogi lol .. as you said the running line in the derby right up to the stretch call was extremely similar for PM and KB.. todd won the bemont last year with an uncle mo (as kingsbarns is) skipping the preakness.. he won with tapwrit in 2017 also skipping the preakness.. tapwrit's sire and KB's dam are both tapit.. really has the feel that this might come together nicely for the belmont


thanks str

[JBEX]

could be yogi lol .. as you said the running line in the derby right up to the stretch call was extremely similar for PM and KB.. todd won the bemont last year with an uncle mo (as kingsbarns is) skipping the preakness.. he won with tapwrit in 2017 also skipping the preakness.. tapwrit's sire and KB's dam are both tapit.. really has the feel that this might come together nicely for the belmont


thanks str

and both were extremely fast paced races

[str]

could be yogi lol .. as you said the running line in the derby right up to the stretch call was extremely similar for PM and KB.. todd won the bemont last year with an uncle mo (as kingsbarns is) skipping the preakness.. he won with tapwrit in 2017 also skipping the preakness.. tapwrit's sire and KB's dam are both tapit.. really has the feel that this might come together nicely for the belmont


thanks str

and both were extremely fast paced races

Yes. That is the key point to what I was comparing. Both lost all chance early with that very hot pace.

When PM relaxed in his next start, the Belmont, bang. See no reason KB can't.

It is not necessary for him to be attending the lead early. He has shown that.

The next month of training will be all about r e l a x.

If it works out, why not?

[JBEX]

Yes. That is the key point to what I was comparing. Both lost all chance early with that very hot pace.

When PM relaxed in his next start, the Belmont, bang. See no reason KB can't.

It is not necessary for him to be attending the lead early. He has shown that.

The next month of training will be all about r e l a x.

If it works out, why not?

I really like all the aspects of him for the belmont and he does have the ability to be off the pace if that's necessary..in spite of his effort in the derby I still think he'll be bet well in the belmont regardless of the quality of the field

[JBEX]

I really like all the aspects of him for the belmont and he does have the ability to be off the pace if that's necessary..in spite of his effort in the derby I still think he'll be bet well in the belmont regardless of the quality of the field

another thing worth noting is all 4 of todd's belmont winners from 2007 through last year were by elite stallions ..as mentioned above kb has same sire as last year's belmont winner..todd was also the trainer of his sire (uncle mo)

[str]

another thing worth noting is all 4 of todd's belmont winners from 2007 through last year were by elite stallions ..as mentioned above kb has same sire as last year's belmont winner..todd was also the trainer of his sire (uncle mo)

If it ain't broke , don't fix it.

He has been going to Keenland and repeating these types of purchases for years now.

Can't argue with a successful game plan.

[JBEX]

If it ain't broke , don't fix it.

He has been going to Keenland and repeating these types of purchases for years now.

Can't argue with a successful game plan.

with the level of horse he buys there's often potential for them to be stallions..regardless of talent there's alway a lot of luck involved with winning the derby ..if the horse has the ability your fates much more in your own hands with the belmont..if you win it or run well,has to be nice to have on your resume (stallion $$) if you turn out to be a talented middle distance horse..have a hunch todd and his owners might think along those lines

[str]

with the level of horse he buys there's often potential for them to be stallions..regardless of talent there's alway a lot of luck involved with winning the derby ..if the horse has the ability your fates much more in your own hands with the belmont..if you win it or run well,has to be nice to have on your resume (stallion $$) if you turn out to be a talented middle distance horse..have a hunch todd and his owners might think along those lines

regardless of talent there's always a lot of luck involved with winning the derby

That is so true. It's great if you do, no question, but it seems as though people tend to dismiss losing the Derby pretty easily if you can win the other races like the Belmont, BC Classic, Travers, and a few others.

.if the horse has the ability your fates much more in your own hands with the belmont.

Totally agree.

if you win it or run well,has to be nice to have on your resume (stallion $$) if you turn out to be a talented middle distance horse..have a hunch todd and his owners might think along those lines

Yep. I'm sure they do.

[JBEX]

hey str

approach liking kb in the belmont from a money mgmt perspective..let's say by next week we hear an announcement or are pretty certain he will wind-up running in the belmont

say a person only bets win/place on triple crown races in a range of 50(100) 75 (150) or 100(200)
depending on odds and strength of opinion


so kb is a special situation and might want to go a little heavier
than our normal range ..say 150 (300) ..in order to justify (no pun intended) you decide no matter what , you're going 50WP on the preakness to even out the potential larger bet on the belmont..if you hit the preakness or run 2nd that money goes forward on the belmont on top of the upped bet.
a win at a solid price in maryland maybe slightly lower the out of pocket to 100 WP for the belmont


the main point of this is take something off the preakness regardless of strength of opinion or odds to accommodate a bigger (possibly much) bigger bet on the belmont


what do you think of this as a strategy ?





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[str]

hey str

approach liking kb in the belmont from a money mgmt perspective..let's say by next week we hear an announcement or are pretty certain he will wind-up running in the belmont

say a person only bets win/place on triple crown races in a range of 50(100) 75 (150) or 100(200)
depending on odds and strength of opinion


so kb is a special situation and might want to go a little heavier
than our normal range ..say 150 (300) ..in order to justify (no pun intended) you decide no matter what , you're going 50WP on the preakness to even out the potential larger bet on the belmont..if you hit the preakness or run 2nd that money goes forward on the belmont on top of the upped bet.
a win at a solid price in maryland maybe slightly lower the out of pocket to 100 WP for the belmont


the main point of this is take something off the preakness regardless of strength of opinion or odds to accommodate a bigger (possibly much) bigger bet on the belmont


what do you think of this as a strategy ?





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Well, that seems like a fun strategy as you are tying the triple crown races together to an extent. IMO, from a FUN point of view, I can see doing something like that. But from a practical, no nonsense, value is everything, long term strategy, point of view, I would not do it.

What I might decide to do instead is find one race, maybe it's the Preakness, but maybe its the 4th at Pimlico the day before. Or anywhere and any race, but one you really like. Make that smallish wager towards the Belmont plan. Then, separately play whatever you want to or not. That will give you more of a % chance IMO, because you are ranking that play as a high probability instead of having to use just the Preakness which you might have a play or maybe just a small opinion.
I would not force myself to just that one race. But I am weird when it comes to money management. Let me explain.

Let's start with the no nonsense part. What that does in the long term, which is the way I have looked at gambling since 1980, when I started keeping seasonal totals on all individual sports and betting events played, is give you the best chance at an edge from a money management point of view. At least it has for me. Is it fun? Not really. Do I bet games because they are BIG games or on TV? Nope. I did before then and my best guess is without keeping records is I broke about even. LOL. That is code for I lost but don't know how much.

So when 1980 ( OMG, such a long time ago) rolled around, I wanted to know exactly how much I won or lost on each sport, week to week, but more importantly, season to season. I still have the same book I started doing this with and at the end of every season, I put in the amount be it up or down and add it to the total.

I know when it comes to this, I am a wack job. Haha. But I am. I can take the calculated fun out of anything. But I had been training horses for going on 5 years, and had learned that I am at the track everyday for every race. And games are on TV everyday. And I found that it was easier to be patient and selectively bet because when it came right down to it, it was no longer the "bet" that was the excitement, it was beating the game. Beating what is deemed as unbeatable. That was the rush I enjoyed and still do.

Back in the day, I had a bet on every Bullets game I went to which were many because of season tickets. Same with Monday night football or the game on TV.
I'd win, I'd lose, whatever. But once I started inheriting more responsibility, like getting married, wanting to buy a house, having a career, and things like that, winning, beating gambling and making a profit easily overrode wanting any action. I took the fun out of it and turned it into a hobby of making money, albeit slowly.

All this is , is looking at it from a different angle. But it worked for me.

So, from a fun perspective, again, sure, I can see that Preakness angle. But from a pure value angle, find the best opinion you might have over the next 4 weeks, play that ticket on that horse, and see if you can get lucky.

Just my wacked opinion, JBEX. Lol.

All the best.

[JBEX]

Well, that seems like a fun strategy as you are tying the triple crown races together to an extent. IMO, from a FUN point of view, I can see doing something like that. But from a practical, no nonsense, value is everything, long term strategy, point of view, I would not do it.

What I might decide to do instead is find one race, maybe it's the Preakness, but maybe its the 4th at Pimlico the day before. Or anywhere and any race, but one you really like. Make that smallish wager towards the Belmont plan. Then, separately play whatever you want to or not. That will give you more of a % chance IMO, because you are ranking that play as a high probability instead of having to use just the Preakness which you might have a play or maybe just a small opinion.
I would not force myself to just that one race. But I am weird when it comes to money management. Let me explain.

Let's start with the no nonsense part. What that does in the long term, which is the way I have looked at gambling since 1980, when I started keeping seasonal totals on all individual sports and betting events played, is give you the best chance at an edge from a money management point of view. At least it has for me. Is it fun? Not really. Do I bet games because they are BIG games or on TV? Nope. I did before then and my best guess is without keeping records is I broke about even. LOL. That is code for I lost but don't know how much.

So when 1980 ( OMG, such a long time ago) rolled around, I wanted to know exactly how much I won or lost on each sport, week to week, but more importantly, season to season. I still have the same book I started doing this with and at the end of every season, I put in the amount be it up or down and add it to the total.

I know when it comes to this, I am a wack job. Haha. But I am. I can take the calculated fun out of anything. But I had been training horses for going on 5 years, and had learned that I am at the track everyday for every race. And games are on TV everyday. And I found that it was easier to be patient and selectively bet because when it came right down to it, it was no longer the "bet" that was the excitement, it was beating the game. Beating what is deemed as unbeatable. That was the rush I enjoyed and still do.

Back in the day, I had a bet on every Bullets game I went to which were many because of season tickets. Same with Monday night football or the game on TV.
I'd win, I'd lose, whatever. But once I started inheriting more responsibility, like getting married, wanting to buy a house, having a career, and things like that, winning, beating gambling and making a profit easily overrode wanting any action. I took the fun out of it and turned it into a hobby of making money, albeit slowly.

All this is , is looking at it from a different angle. But it worked for me.

So, from a fun perspective, again, sure, I can see that Preakness angle. But from a pure value angle, find the best opinion you might have over the next 4 weeks, play that ticket on that horse, and see if you can get lucky.

Just my wacked opinion, JBEX. Lol.

All the best.

thanks str


kind of went through the same phases with wagering on horses and sports..while I never did formal record keeping (which should be done if you're serious ) for me it was focusing on spots and the entertainment, as you said,was the possibility of being skilled enough to win at either..never attained that level but I think it made me a better more disciplined player long haul..Also made the game more challenging and enjoyable


Can understand your feeling on the parlay .. Why confine your lead in bet to the preakness when there might be a better opportunity..For me though I kind of like to have a little fun with the tc races..no question if I'm going to bet more than the max on kb have to cut back on the preakness..Also if I lose the preakness which is more likely than not,going to happen,I will still have the extra amount to play on kb

I think what might be a little fun is find a race at any track during the week and make it a lead in bet for the preakness..make this bet 25WP since I will be betting the minimum amount (50WP) on it ..if it cashes only add an extra 50 (vs 100) to the preakness wager



example ..let's say modest hit @ 3-1..25WP becomes about 150..add 50 instead of 100 to make it a 100WP on the preakness

All a matter of preference but for me the going forward bet has to be on the preakness

you think by next week they'll announce what the plans are for kb .. would have to think they'd at least give a mention of where they are thinking about running him next ?

[Madison]

I know when it comes to this, I am a wack job. Haha. But I am. I can take the calculated fun out of anything. But I had been training horses for going on 5 years, and had learned that I am at the track everyday for every race. And games are on TV everyday. And I found that it was easier to be patient and selectively bet because when it came right down to it, it was no longer the "bet" that was the excitement, it was beating the game. Beating what is deemed as unbeatable. That was the rush I enjoyed and still do.

Boy does this sound familiar. MY wife and friends laugh at the $ I wager/win or lose versus my efforts NFL/Horses etc. At this point in my life it's SOOO much more about my ability to beat the game than the $$ I make or lose. Curious end to 5+ decades of gambling.

Weather it was pitching nickels and dimes against a wall or bball cards it's been a LONG journey. The value of the bball cards I ruined by pitching them against walls and ultimately ruining them is incomprehensible.

[Madison]

'd win, I'd lose, whatever. But once I started inheriting more responsibility, like getting married, wanting to buy a house, having a career, and things like that, winning, beating gambling and making a profit easily overrode wanting any action. I took the fun out of it and turned it into a hobby of making money, albeit slowlly.

I think a lunch between the 2 of us could turn into a weekend. All my best!

[str]

thanks str


kind of went through the same phases with wagering on horses and sports..while I never did formal record keeping (which should be done if you're serious ) for me it was focusing on spots and the entertainment, as you said,was the possibility of being skilled enough to win at either..never attained that level but I think it made me a better more disciplined player long haul..Also made the game more challenging and enjoyable


Can understand your feeling on the parlay .. Why confine your lead in bet to the preakness when there might be a better opportunity..For me though I kind of like to have a little fun with the tc races..no question if I'm going to bet more than the max on kb have to cut back on the preakness..Also if I lose the preakness which is more likely than not,going to happen,I will still have the extra amount to play on kb

I think what might be a little fun is find a race at any track during the week and make it a lead in bet for the preakness..make this bet 25WP since I will be betting the minimum amount (50WP) on it ..if it cashes only add an extra 50 (vs 100) to the preakness wager



example ..let's say modest hit @ 3-1..25WP becomes about 150..add 50 instead of 100 to make it a 100WP on the preakness

All a matter of preference but for me the going forward bet has to be on the preakness

you think by next week they'll announce what the plans are for kb .. would have to think they'd at least give a mention of where they are thinking about running him next ?

I think what might be a little fun is find a race at any track during the week and make it a lead in bet for the preakness..make this bet 25WP since I will be betting the minimum amount (50WP) on it ..if it cashes only add an extra 50 (vs 100) to the preakness wager


I like this!

And certainly understand the Preakness play as a tie in with the Triple Crown. I mean, if it isn't fun, why are doing it , right?

I say go for it, but please keep me posted as you go. Rooting interest for me.


you think by next week they'll announce what the plans are for kb .. would have to think they'd at least give a mention of where they are thinking about running him next ?

If all is well with the horse, I would think he would get in a relaxed maintenance workout maybe Friday or Saturday? Probably hear something after that. But Todd had that positive and I thought I read where he was going to be serving his 10 days. Guess not. Appeal I suppose? But I don't know at all. If so, that might delay any KB news. But again, no clue.

[JBEX]

I think what might be a little fun is find a race at any track during the week and make it a lead in bet for the preakness..make this bet 25WP since I will be betting the minimum amount (50WP) on it ..if it cashes only add an extra 50 (vs 100) to the preakness wager


I like this!

And certainly understand the Preakness play as a tie in with the Triple Crown. I mean, if it isn't fun, why are doing it , right?

I say go for it, but please keep me posted as you go. Rooting interest for me.


you think by next week they'll announce what the plans are for kb .. would have to think they'd at least give a mention of where they are thinking about running him next ?

If all is well with the horse, I would think he would get in a relaxed maintenance workout maybe Friday or Saturday? Probably hear something after that. But Todd had that positive and I thought I read where he was going to be serving his 10 days. Guess not. Appeal I suppose? But I don't know at all. If so, that might delay any KB news. But again, no clue.

an excellent challenge as you probably want to have a probable odds range or lower it to 2 bets anticipating higher odds (guessing what the final odds might be around part of the uncertainty that goes with it) ..25 WP total of course..going to do this in advance so won't have ability to see final odds .. want to make it by friday also so have to at least look at Thursday in advance ..already sorry I started this lol..I'll post it in a separate thread well in advance of the race


so more than likely (heard about the suspension) it won't be announced before next week..really do think he's going to run in the belmont but if not put it on another


thanks str

[JBEX]

disclaimer: I am doing this for less so


$25 = 1 unit the scale throughout

[JBEX]

disclaimer: I am doing this for less so


$25 = 1 unit the scale throughout

$15 = half unit (should it go that way)

two bets for this


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[str]

an excellent challenge as you probably want to have a probable odds range or lower it to 2 bets anticipating higher odds (guessing what the final odds might be around part of the uncertainty that goes with it) ..25 WP total of course..going to do this in advance so won't have ability to see final odds .. want to make it by friday also so have to at least look at Thursday in advance ..already sorry I started this lol..I'll post it in a separate thread well in advance of the race


so more than likely (heard about the suspension) it won't be announced before next week..really do think he's going to run in the belmont but if not put it on another


thanks str

Just had a thought.

How about a "Thread salute" 3 horse parlay of an Army Mule, Preakness and KB.

Lol.

[JBEX]

Just had a thought.

How about a "Thread salute" 3 horse parlay of an Army Mule, Preakness and KB.

Lol.

only 1 going this week on friday and trained by jonathan wong who's the best trainer in no california

golden gate (polytrack)

R5 she's inthearmy now


guess on scale 10WP would be about right..what the heck !

[str]

I know when it comes to this, I am a wack job. Haha. But I am. I can take the calculated fun out of anything. But I had been training horses for going on 5 years, and had learned that I am at the track everyday for every race. And games are on TV everyday. And I found that it was easier to be patient and selectively bet because when it came right down to it, it was no longer the "bet" that was the excitement, it was beating the game. Beating what is deemed as unbeatable. That was the rush I enjoyed and still do.

Boy does this sound familiar. MY wife and friends laugh at the $ I wager/win or lose versus my efforts NFL/Horses etc. At this point in my life it's SOOO much more about my ability to beat the game than the $$ I make or lose. Curious end to 5+ decades of gambling.

Weather it was pitching nickels and dimes against a wall or bball cards it's been a LONG journey. The value of the bball cards I ruined by pitching them against walls and ultimately ruining them is incomprehensible.

'd win, I'd lose, whatever. But once I started inheriting more responsibility, like getting married, wanting to buy a house, having a career, and things like that, winning, beating gambling and making a profit easily overrode wanting any action. I took the fun out of it and turned it into a hobby of making money, albeit slowlly.

I think a lunch between the 2 of us could turn into a weekend. All my best!

I think when you add up everything you have kept track of, and if you are plus, add up a fair amount you would have lost times all those years had you stayed the same prior to all this, it is a pretty hefty amount.

We called that card game scaling. Don't know why it was called scaling but yep, set up two cards against the wall and take turns trying to knock them down with other cards. Whoever gets the last one down collects those cards. Ruined them doing it but who knew? It was fun.
And isn't that gambling when we were 8-10 years old??? Hmmm.

And at that lunch Madison, there would be some stories. Might have to wear boots as it might start to getting deep with all the crap we would toss around. Lol.

All the best Madison.

[Madison]

I think when you add up everything you have kept track of, and if you are plus, add up a fair amount you would have lost times all those years had you stayed the same prior to all this, it is a pretty hefty amount.

We called that card game scaling. Don't know why it was called scaling but yep, set up two cards against the wall and take turns trying to knock them down with other cards. Whoever gets the last one down collects those cards. Ruined them doing it but who knew? It was fun.
And isn't that gambling when we were 8-10 years old??? Hmmm.

And at that lunch Madison, there would be some stories. Might have to wear boots as it might start to getting deep with all the crap we would toss around. Lol.

All the best Madison.

All the best to you as well. The years (1990-2010) when I transitioned from a full time gambler to a family man were arguably the toughest EVER. I did what I was forced to do due to the restrictions (discussed prior) imposed by the game and its eccentricities. As difficult as it was and it was immensely difficult, I did a 180 and provided for my (wonderful) family and now have a very comfortable life with a healthy 401K
The funny? thing is my friends look at my wife as a Goddess. Who would pack their bags in the late 70's and have faith that their husband would spend the most lucrative years of his life at the dog track. She is a saint. 48 years in we are still married and happy with a wonderful family. Even now still doesn't stop me from retroflect but for sure I and my family are better for it all.

All my best!!!

[str]

only 1 going this week on friday and trained by jonathan wong who's the best trainer in no california

golden gate (polytrack)

R5 she's inthearmy now


guess on scale 10WP would be about right..what the heck !

Kind of limited with only one running.

And, you can slide the order to make AM the 2nd play if you don't care for the one running Friday.

If it runs out, I should offer a money back special because I prompted you to do it.

BTW, love the name of the horse in R5.

[str]

All the best to you as well. The years (1990-2010) when I transitioned from a full time gambler to a family man were arguably the toughest EVER. I did what I was forced to do due to the restrictions (discussed prior) imposed by the game and its eccentricities. As difficult as it was and it was immensely difficult, I did a 180 and provided for my (wonderful) family and now have a very comfortable life with a healthy 401K
The funny? thing is my friends look at my wife as a Goddess. Who would pack their bags in the late 70's and have faith that their husband would spend the most lucrative years of his life at the dog track. She is a saint. 48 years in we are still married and happy with a wonderful family. Even now still doesn't stop me from retroflect but for sure I and my family are better for it all.

All my best!!!

What a fabulous story !
And 48 years. That's just great. Here's to many more.

The word "Success" can be defined in many ways. I think your last post was one of those.

[str]

Pimlico looked extremely fair today as far as the track goes.

Kind of rare to see.

Hope it is that way tomorrow.

[Easy-Rider 66]

not a thrilling field STR. but if you see this before the race any wager on the Preakness? my bad on late question. THX.

[mrginandtonic]

My only play for the Preakness was the Pick 6…… and last race cost me ….


05/20 11:46 AM Pimlico 8 $0.20 P6 1, 4, 6 / 8 / 1, 3, 6, 10, 13 / 8 / 4 / 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 $18.00

[str]

not a thrilling field STR. but if you see this before the race any wager on the Preakness? my bad on late question. THX.

Didn't see this until too late but no, no play for me EZ.

[str]

My only play for the Preakness was the Pick 6…… and last race cost me ….


05/20 11:46 AM Pimlico 8 $0.20 P6 1, 4, 6 / 8 / 1, 3, 6, 10, 13 / 8 / 4 / 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 $18.00

Wow Mr. GandT. That was a nice ticket.

Great job with the early bombs !

[JBEX]

only 1 going this week on friday and trained by jonathan wong who's the best trainer in no california

golden gate (polytrack)

R5 she's inthearmy now


guess on scale 10WP would be about right..what the heck !

won and paid $3 even